@Echelon, do you always mulligan to get a Vet on Turn 1 or GSZ on T2?Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
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@Echelon, do you always mulligan to get a Vet on Turn 1 or GSZ on T2?Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
Not always necessary, but the hand should have manipulation and removal into a plan, at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hmmm_Really?
Sigarda 2.0 seems okay, but Im not excited. If she also had Hexproof, thrn MAYBE but it's not great. Or, if she was a 4/5 baneslayer that we could GSZ for, thatd be fine as well. Alas, nope.
Rhino lowers the curve and increases both consistency and power level. Dont underestimate it, he's the reason I created this deck in the first place.
Edit:
This would be auto include, right?
Sigarda 2.0, Angry as Fuck Edition: 2BWG, Legendary
Cannot be on the battlefield at the same time as Host of Herons.
Flying, Lifelink, Deathtouch, Shroud (not hexproof). Protection from Angels and Demons
4/5
F yes man. It is the very same card (without deathtouch) I was hyped for after reading that Uncharted Realms chapter.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
All I want is a GSZ'able BSA-like flying creature. Even without first strike and protection from Demons and Dragons. Flying, lifelink/shroud.
Yeah, that's one of the missing pieces that we may one day get. A Zenithable Baneslayer Angel, with or without hexproof/protections, would be a massive power spike for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by rubblekill
A Girl can dream...Quote:
Originally Posted by rubblekill
still working on 4 color rhino. I've md the slaughter games and put 2 bridges in the board. so far 5-2 in sideboarded games vs sneak. ill get more testing in on monday. but i will say bridge is no where near the nobo it lookes like on paper. there has been no issue popping it for a lethal swing and garruk ph does a nice job going wide then filling your hand just enough to send the team. i have no way to test against eldrazi so if anyone would like to see how it works out there here's the list:
4 vet
2 drs
1 scooze
1 qpm
1 nissa
1 ewitness
4 rhino
1 sigarda
1 tusk
3 top
4 zenith
1 nightmare
4 therapy*
2 games
3 decay
3 path
3 deed
1 pulse
21 lands*
2 bayou
1 scrub
1 savanna*
1 badlands
3 forest*
2 swamp
2 plains
1 tower
4 catacombs
2 marsh flats
2 wooded foothills
14g 14b 12w 9r
2 ts
1 needle
2 cannonist
1 e. plague
1 grip
1 teeg
1 g charm
1 garruk ph
3 surgical
2 e bridge
Why Badlands over Taiga? Availability?Quote:
Originally Posted by uncletiggy
primarily availability. secondly a tiaga would force me to rework the mana base as it stand the swap would give me 15g 13b 12w 9r. I'd have to -1 savanna +1 scrub i prefer getting to play 1 each. I plan to buy the tiagas for lands but i dont think id play either way.
Hello
I wonder if there is still some good Abzan list with Birthing Pod , I'm really into start playing with Abzan Nic Fit
Try adjusting this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diogo37
4 Veteran Explorer
3 Dethrite Shaman
3 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Fleshbag Marauder
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Murderous Redcap
1 Siege Rhino
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Thragtusk
1 Grave Titan // Sun Titan
3 Birthing Pod
1 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Toxic Deluge
22 Lands
Sideboard/maybeboard?
1 Ohrzov Pontiff
1 Glissa, the Traitor
1 Shriekmaw
1 Restoration Angel
1 Qasali Pridemage
It pushes it over 9000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokugawa
What Matt said. You just want to make sure that when you have a Vet, you can actually cast it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hmmm_Really?
@matt: Clear out your messagebox, dammit! Lol.
Sigarda, Heron's Grace...
...got excited for it in Nic Fit until I realized she wasn't Human :frown:
@Echelon
Cleared.
-Matt
Thank you very much, good sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
You could also try this, since I have worked on it for a few months:Quote:
Originally Posted by Diogo37
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Plains
1 Savannah
1 Taiga
2 Bayou
2 Scrubland
2 Swamp
3 Forest
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
1 Aven Mindcensor
1 Eternal Witness
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Glissa, the Traitor
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Mystic Enforcer
1 Orzhov Pontiff
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Restoration Angel
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Shriekmaw
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Tidehollow Sculler
2 Veteran Explorer
3 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
3 Birthing Pod
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Diabolic Intent
3 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
SB: 2 Engineered Plague
SB: 1 Dryad Militant
SB: 2 Liliana of the Veil
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 Slaughter Games
SB: 3 Thoughtseize
SB: 3 Abeyance
SB: 1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
Major changes were:
- Glissa to fight against Eldrazi
- Huntmaster took Redcap spot as he is better in a vacuum
- Enforcer to fight Marit.deck
- Abeyance is such a beating right now
Happy testing.
Ralf
Ps: I can also provide sideboard tables for almost 15 matchups.
@Ralf, Abeyance is interesting! What decks would you bring it in against? And how many times have you cast it in testing/real play?
Cause I notice it can screw over miracles triggers which is fun... But maybe too cute?
Thanks :)
I'd start with ANT/TES. As soon as they cast discard/a tutor - OK, bye now. Try again next turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jain_Mor
Magical Christmasland would be after they've cast Infernal Tutor and cracked LED.
Can somebody enlighten me concerning glissa? i don't get her usefulness. serious question.
People hate Eldrazi. Eldrazi only sends in ground troops. She has first strike and deathtouch. Glissa > Eldrazi troops. Eldrazi do not run library manipulation and only a couple of Dismembers as a removal suite, so they have a hard time getting rid of her. This pleases people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dadadot
Don't get distracted by that chunk of reminder text under her keyword abilities. If she were a 1/1 honey badger with the same keyword abilities I'd run her all the same. This is a serious answer.
Hello Jain,Quote:
Originally Posted by Jain_Mor
We've been looking for some instant spells to backup hatebears in a junk fit build and to enable loads of nasty tricks.
The main reason was to add some reactive spells in a proactive shell to catch opponents off guard.
To be honest, it's been at least 10 years since the last time I played Abeyance in a Legacy deck.
The card can be used either reactively or proactively even if you'll use it mainly reactively.
The card is great against:
- Shardless (shardless trigger, ancestral vision last counter trigger, etc...)
- Miracle (Miracle trigger, Snapcaster trigger etc...)
- Storm (In response to IT, to discard to buy a turn etc...)
The card is average against:
- Elves (it buys you a turn when played at the end of opp's upkeep)
- Infect (same as above)
I think you'll be somehow amazed/amused how relevant abeyance could be in Legacy, these days, as it is usually never dead because you will always find a way to use it and at least it replaces itself.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cdv9OlWWoAAuTUH.png
How easy is it gonna be to get Delirium online? Because the payoff here looks really good.
Do we really need more Rhinos in the deck?Quote:
Originally Posted by Navsi
We all know the answer.
Less easy than casting GSZ. It does get really close though. Maybe as a toy for the GBC Fit build. Early game it could fetch you a Wastes, lategame it turns into Reality Smasher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navsi
Edit: rubble made me lol.
It isn't restricted to green creatures or basic lands when it's live which seems pretty good. You might be right in the GBC lists, also getting Kozilek or something.
Think it might be good enough for the BUG lists? They have a lot of good nongreen creatures and no way to search for them, and Strixes, fetches and blue instants to enable Delirium with.
I don't know that it's good enough right now, but it immediately replaces Oath of Nissa in the "future possibilities" box. I believe that Ancient Stirrings is probably better for the GBC version, although this can also get Primeval, at the cost not being able to get Cloudpost/Glimmerpost early.
For right now, I put it into the camp of "consider this if/when Top gets banned." It's also likely worse than the first Diabolic Intent, which most of us are not running at the moment.
I don't think this is better than Green Sun... but you can cast it with Teeg out :) Whereas, Teeg blocks GSZ from fetching Rhinos.
I'm not even considering trading in my second Diabolic Intent for it. The ability to find a Deed/PtE has saved my ass too many times to give it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
Important note about Delirum which can be overlooked - You need to have 4 types of cards in YOUR graveyard. Not sure how good it will be, but some graveyard hate can be key solution to make those card useless.
We can read too, you know. It's a problem in general, even before touching on graveyard hate. Or just using your DRS/Scavenging Ooze/Meren or, during the holidays, Karador.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatal
With GSZ around and Therapy self-exiled, it's really quite rare having 4 types in gy - most common in my GBC build:
- Land (enough)
- Creature (enough)
- Sorceries (4 Self-exiling, 4 GSZ - read non)
- Instants (3 MD/a lot of in SB)
- Enchantment (4 MD)
- Artifact (5 MD/where 2 of are creatures)
- Walkers (1-2 MD)
I think it can work in some BUG decks with Hymn to Tourach/Permission decks/Walker decks.
http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/s...imnemesis.html
New Sorin 0_0 that +1 is great!
Card advantage AND a win condition (we have 3 tops to manipulate our deck) while plusing And without using the battlefield (garruk/elspeth)? 6 mana is a lot but this seems better than elspeth against control?? Even easier on our mana.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
Am I missing something? This seems good to me
E: he even defends himself against goyf / kills jace.
AND his ult is summon the lost boys! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093437/Quote:
Originally Posted by rubblekill
New Sorin is a very good one of in Junk Nic Fit. Definitely going to test him.
Card advantage and a finisher. Top/Sylvan in to Sigarda, Baneslayer, Rhino, Titan, then +1 on Sorin. Or, -X when you're low on life. Third ability? As if we would ever need it! :tongue:
Yes. The key part is that he does not use the battlefield to win, plus he gives ca.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave78pdx
This might replace elspeth: she only is better cmc wise, but her soldiers are still weak to removal and terminus.
He's a vraska / Ob Nixilis with a much better wincon for 1 more mana. (He comes down and kills Jace!) I'm gnna try him for sure
@Ralf, yea I'm a fan of the hatebear plan against the combo decks, and I'm always looking for sideboard cards that overlap with miracles, shame you haven't done testing with it yet, but I'll give it a go at some point and let you know what I find
Maybe I wasn't clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jain_Mor
I did test it so that's why it is in my SB now :cool:
Oe, i like that new Sorin.
It shoots down Jace.
It gives extra reach on top of Rhino. Juicy lucy.
Oh awesome, I asked how many times you've cast it in testing or real play and the only time you mentions was 10 years ago :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Ralf
Is it actually "great" against shardless? It counters suspended visions but shardless agent can just hit a creature and then it doesn't do anything. I get that it cantrips but there's still a mana investment there.
I am sold on it against various combo decks (buying a turn and digging for answers against elves is legit)
If it actually starts doing work as a counterspell against miracles then I'll really be sold :)