[Deck] Death and Taxes

I have very rarely had problems with mulliganing and I have people tell me I don't play enough lands (only 21) and that I shouldn't play the full set of Karakas, but there's a trade off. Doing it this way I have a slightly lower average CMC than most, but depend more on AEther Vial.

My list
Main Board:
4x Flickerwisp
4x Leonin Arbiter
2x Mangara of Corondor
3x Mirran Crusader
4x Mother of Runes
4x Stoneforge Mystic
4x Swords to Plowshares
4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4x AEther Vial
1x Batterskull
2x Phyrexian Revoker
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Sword of War and Peace
1x Umezawa's Jitte

4x Karakas
4x Rishadan Port
4x Wasteland
9x Plains

Sideboard:
3x Burrenton Forge-Tender
3x Containment Priest
3x Ethersworn Canonist
3x Leonin Relic-Warder
2x Phyrexian Revoker
1x Sword of Light and Shadow

I don't mulligan that much. There's only 1 color in the deck, the Æther Vials fix a ton of stuff and having 12 1-mana spells, most hands are just keepable. I also keep 1 landers all the time, and I think that's perfectly justifiable considering that we're a pretty land heavy deck compared to most legacy decks. And Wasteland actually casts most of our spells in this deck, as opposed to in decks like RUG Delver and BUG Delver that are playing Wastelands in the spell slot.

I generally don't mulligan unless I get a terrible hand or one that doesn't do anything against combo. The lists I run don't suffer as much from mana flood so even if I get a hand like Vial SFM and 5 lands it's good enough for fair matchups and slow ass decks like Miracles. As long as you have a land (as Bahra said, one landers are perfectly fine, especially on the draw), some kind of 2 drop and your opponent isn't going to combo you out in turn 2 you'll be fine.

In a 5 round tournament plus top8 for example I'd usually mulligan 3-4 times, including combo matchups. That's way less than I do with other decks like Miracles or Patriot, which can be counterintuitive because those blue decks all run pretty efficient card selection.

Eh, I dunno. I lost my win and in for SCG Orlando on a goodlookin 1 lander when my opponent FoWd my Vial. I eventually got land but I had lost a few turns. It set me back enough to lose a match I should have won if less greedy.

You have to consider your opponent when doing 1 land hands. And don't sit there thinking about it. You will forecast your dilemma.

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Eh, I dunno. I lost my win and in for SCG Orlando on a goodlookin 1 lander when my opponent FoWd my Vial. I eventually got land but I had lost a few turns. It set me back enough to lose a match I should have won if less greedy.

You have to consider your opponent when doing 1 land hands. And don't sit there thinking about it. You will forecast your dilemma.

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Yes, knowing which hands to keep and which not to keep instantly is very important. I look at my hand for usually about 1 second before I keep or mulligan. And that way my opponent never knows if it is a close keep or not, usually they suspect that it was a snap keep, because that's what it looks like.



So if anyone here follows the Salvation thread, you might've seen the new version of D&T that I've come up with. I suggest you look at my post on page 456 on the salvation thread since I don't want to double post. But I've played 1 daily with the deck so far and I 3-1'd that, it is in early testing though and I am happy so far. The deck is very different from the usual D&T lists, I am playing main deck Spellskite and Ensnaring Bridge for example.

Here's the list I played in the daily: http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/263098#online

Would be pleased to hear opinions and even results from your own playtesting if you'd like to try this version out.

For those of you who like to run things like Disenchant and Seal of Cleansing in the sideboard I think I've found better tech, and I haven't seen anyone bring it up yet.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...verseid=376238

{1}{W}{W}
Act of Authority

Enchantment

When Act of Authority enters the battlefield, you may exile target artifact or enchantment.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may exile target artifact or enchantment. If you do, its controller gains control of Act of Authority.

This card is insane. For one mana more you get artifact/enchantment removal that exiles instead of destroys(looking at you welder), and you get to keep it for a second activation whenever you need it(which can't be revoked or needled). The flickerwisp interaction here is beautiful, like with most cards in the deck. Cast, exile. Upkeep, exile again, cast wisp to regain control of Act of Authority on your end step, exiling a third artifact or enchantment when it returns, and keep it on your side of the board afterward. I had a mirror match tonight where it hit two equipment and a revoker my opponent controlled in two turns, leaving me with this enchantment and wisp in play against nothing.

I think it might be too niche for some people who aren't as worried about artifact/enchantment heavy decks, and there's a good argument for manriki instead if you're only worried about equipment(I'm running both), but if you like this effect I think it's the best thing available to us. It's disgustingly good in the mirror, and I'm running a tutor board so I love it for that too.


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I have used this. It is only good if you do not have any artifacts or enchantments yourself. And it is painfully slow.

I use Leonin Relic-Warder, but I have used a singleton Abolish from time to time.

Anyone thought about cutting Stoneforge Mystic? I know it may sound insane, but she doesn't really do anything other then fetching equipments. She doesn't provide any disruption by her self. Also it takes 3 turns to get an active sword, while also taking up mana so we can't port and maybe not waste. Wouldn't Leonin Arbiter, Spirit of the Lab, Aven Mindcensor or any other creature just be better?

Shouldn't we abuse Spirit of the Lab more? We have a real handicap for not playing cantrips and just rely on topdecks.

@Ecofish: Stoneforge Mystic provides some much needed bite and raw power to the deck, and a completely different angle of attack that complements the mana denial/prison one. There are all kinds of situations where the deck would just crumble without access to her. Even though Thalia is the posterchild of our deck, I consider SFM to be just as vital. We are probably the legacy deck that can make best use of her due to our threat density, it would be borderline insane not to run her considering the power level of the card.

There were some Mystic-less lists going all in on the denial plan with Leonin Arbiter and Ghost Quarter, I suggest you dig up those if you're interested. They might work in a very specific meta, but in a larger field, the more traditional lists is where you want to be. Stoneforge Mystic simply wins games, and, believe it or not, some decks just don't care about Spirit of the Labyrinth and co.

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@Ecofish: Stoneforge Mystic provides some much needed bite and raw power to the deck, and a completely different angle of attack that complements the mana denial/prison one. There are all kinds of situations where the deck would just crumble without access to her. Even though Thalia is the posterchild of our deck, I consider SFM to be just as vital. We are probably the legacy deck that can make best use of her due to our threat density, it would be borderline insane not to run her considering the power level of the card.

There were some Mystic-less lists going all in on the denial plan with Leonin Arbiter and Ghost Quarter, I suggest you dig up those if you're interested. They might work in a very specific meta, but in a larger field, the more traditional lists is where you want to be. Stoneforge Mystic simply wins games, and, believe it or not, some decks just don't care about Spirit of the Labyrinth and co.

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Okay. I will play the devil's advocate here.

95% of all legacy decks tends to draw more then one card each turn. Also 95% of all legacy decks search their library. Stoneforge is useless against combo decks. How many combo decks is there?

Stoneforge for Batterskull can and does help against Storm, and even Dredge.

Gaining 4+ life per turn can put the game out of reach if your opponent is trying either Tendrils or Empty, while providing a relatively quick clock.

There's also the "trick" of returning Batterskull to kill your Germ, which will nuke Bridges. It's not fast, but it IS something in the maindeck that will fight Dredge. When backed up by an early Swords or Thalia, it can get a win in game 1. The lifegain is also relevant, as Dredge will often times have to go for a swarm of Zombies that have to attack you.

It's not like Stoneforge gives you an autowin, but it's a lot more than nothing.

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Stoneforge for Batterskull can and does help against Storm, and even Dredge.

Gaining 4+ life per turn can put the game out of reach if your opponent is trying either Tendrils or Empty, while providing a relatively quick clock.

There's also the "trick" of returning Batterskull to kill your Germ, which will nuke Bridges. It's not fast, but it IS something in the maindeck that will fight Dredge. When backed up by an early Swords or Thalia, it can get a win in game 1. The lifegain is also relevant, as Dredge will often times have to go for a swarm of Zombies that have to attack you.

It's not like Stoneforge gives you an autowin, but it's a lot more than nothing.

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I don't think the token "enters the graveyard". Also I'm not talking about Dredge, while Mystic is the first thing I take out for Rest in Peace, Containment Priest and Ratchet Bomb.

Against storm, to play Mystic to held your mana up for 2-3 turns? I'll rather play Thalia, Revoker, Ethersworn, Ratchet Bomb or Rest in Peace.

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I don't think the token "enters the graveyard". Also I'm not talking about Dredge, while Mystic is the first thing I take out for Rest in Peace, Containment Priest and Ratchet Bomb.

Against storm, to play Mystic to held your mana up for 2-3 turns? I'll rather play Thalia, Revoker, Ethersworn, Ratchet Bomb or Rest in Peace.

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The token enters the graveyard and disappears after that. So Bridges are going to be removed.

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I don't think the token "enters the graveyard". Also I'm not talking about Dredge, while Mystic is the first thing I take out for Rest in Peace, Containment Priest and Ratchet Bomb.

Against storm, to play Mystic to held your mana up for 2-3 turns? I'll rather play Thalia, Revoker, Ethersworn, Ratchet Bomb or Rest in Peace.

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The token does enter the graveyard, where it immediately ceases to exist. This triggers Bridge (and other 'die' effects).

I would also rather have Thalia, or the sideboard cards that you mentioned. In my comment above, I was talking about game 1 scenarios. The point is, I don't see Stoneforge as "useless" in combo matches. Sure, she's not on par with RIP vs. Dredge, or Canonist vs. Storm... nobody is saying that.

I played at the Mox Boarding House Legacy for Duals tournament this saturday to a 3rd/4th place finish. There were 51 players and this was my list:

Mainboard:

1 Cavern of Souls
1 Horizon Canopy
3 Karakas
10 Plains
4 Rishadan Port
4 Wasteland
4 Aether Vial
1 Aven Mindcensor
1 Batterskull
4 Flickerwisp
2 Mirran Crusader
4 Mother of Runes
3 Phyrexian Revoker
4 Serra Avenger
4 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Umezawa's Jitte

Sideboard:

2 Cataclysm
2 Containment Priest
2 Council's Judgment
1 Enlightened Tutor
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Manriki-Gusari
1 Pithing Needle
1 Ratchet Bomb
2 Rest in Peace
1 Wilt-Leaf Liege

Round 1 vs Sylvan Plug

I was familiar with this deck because I played against it as a uwr pyroblade player when cruise was still legal. This matchup was really easy. Game 1 I landed an early mother, vial, stoneforge and angel. He landed some baloths that I flew over with a SoFaI'd angel. Game 2 he couldn't find mana. I stp'd his only land (go dryad arbor!) and revoker'd his mox diamond. Quick game after that with random white weenie beats.

Round 2 vs Death and taxes

I won the die roll and landed early vials, moms and stoneforges both games. Game 2 he brought in Manriki-Gusari but I was able to port and wasteland him off of mana long enough to make it worthless (I had an active Jitte on an angel). Games felt really easy.

Round 3 vs RG Lands

Game one he couldn't find colored mana and I revoker'd his mox diamond. I managed to get some sort of quick clock going to finish him off before he could stabalize. Game 2(3?) I had turn 1 vial followed by turn two rest in peace followed by stoneforge and angels. He managed to get an early marit lage into play that I was able to take a hit from because I was at 21 life from Grove of the Burnwillows. I was sandbagging a karakas that I used to bounce marit lage. He couldn't recover without his graveyard. This is from memory, but this match may have gone to Game 3.

Round 4 vs Reanimator (he went on to get second and win 4 bayous!)

Game one I think I was able to keep him off of mana with ports, wastelands and thalia long enough to kill him. Game 2 he landed an early tidespout tyrant. This was especially painful because I was staring at 2 containment priests and a flickerwisp in my hand. I was just a turn behind being able to use them. Game 3 I was able to vial in priest in response to reanimate targeting Elesh norn. He lost 7 life from reanimate and I already had a board presence at that point and had been pressuring his life total so I was able to finish him off on my next turn.

round 5-6 Id into top 8

Top 8 round 1 vs burn

two quick games. Game one I had a turn one vial followed by enough threats that my opponent was forced to burn my creatures (which is an awesome position to be in vs burn. Game two he got stuck on 1 land while I had thalia in play (with bvackup karakas and vial on 2!) I brought in a jitte at some point and killed him pretty quickly

Round 2 vs Miracles

Piloted by a guy I play against with some regularity at our lgs and I can't recall ever beating him.

Today was no exception

Game 1 was moderately grindy. I made some creatures. they got sent to the bottom of my library. I made some more. Rinse repeat. Angels killed me. Game 2 was super quick. I had death and taxes god hand and he got stuck on few lands. Game 3 was super grindy. I managed to land a SoFaI and got some good hits in (only one with the sword) but I really just felt outclassed as a player. At one point I had vial on 1 and said "Draw" at the beginning of my turn, forgetting to tick vial up to 2. There were probably myriad other mistakes I made that cost me this game, but that one was the most glaring to me.

I had so much fun playing in that tournament. I've been playing death and taxes for close to a year and a half and saturday really felt like an awesome culmination of learning a lot of hard lessons. I knew the matchups and Sideboarding felt really comfortable all day long. I also drew really well. It was the best I've done in any larger tournament and miles ahead of my largest prize to date. I still attribute all of my wins to luck and all of my losses to skill (I tend to be a somewhat self-effacing magic player)

Nice report. Heads up play with Revoker on Mox. Miracles is very rough for decks that want to win by attacking :/ You can shore it up a little bit with Spirit of the Labyrinths in the 75, but if you don't have Miracles squarely in your sights it can be tricky to beat. Watching Bahra's stream, or looking for some of his posts might give you some pointers on fighting Miracles, if that's a concern of yours.

Thanks! I will do definitely check that out. Seattle has a ton of miracles players so any tech would be great. The SCG richmond finals video with konig vs lossett is really great too.

Hey guys. So I'm trying out other decks when I get to play legacy. Death and Taxes was pretty high on my list of decks to try so I decided to borrow the cards for it today from a friend. I played the following list with a slight modification:

http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=15856&iddeck=118068

The modification was I couldn't get 4x Flagstones from anyone so I just replaced them with 4 more basic plains.

Anyways, I went 4-1 tonight overall to place 4th or 5th and got $20 store credit. My Rounds went thusly: R1 - 5C Birthing Pod Brew (2-0), R2 - Budgeted Burn (2-0), R3 - Lands (0-2), R4 - Sneak and Show (2-0), R5 - Mono Red Mogg Catcher (2-0). The deck was fun and had I played a little tighter I would have beaten my lands opponent as well. I am pretty sure I also boarded pretty sloppy in my lands match up in particular. So I have two questions: 1. How should I board with the above list against lands? 2. What do I need to know about the Lands MU besides what Finn talks about in his primer? Any pointers? MU doesn't seem like a blow out all around but if they get their engine going it seems like our deck becomes ineffectual pretty easily.

The plan may vary slightly depending on which version of Lands you are playing, but you definitely want to board in Pithing Needle (Stage), Rest in Peace (stops their Loam Engine + Punishing Fire), and Cataclysm (especially potent in conjunction with RiP). I would also board in Council's Judgement (can take care of Exploration/Manabond or a Marit Lage, if you force them to make it on their mainphase via Port), and Enlightened Tutor since RiP and Needle are so potent, but more established players than I disagree on this last choice. As for what to take out, I'd say a couple of StPs (unless they're running Titania, Protector of Argoth), some amount of Phyrexian Revokers, and possibly part of the SFM package (again, opinions are split on which cards are more efficient).

Your role is firmly aggro with high amounts of disruption, they don't run that many colored mana producing lands and Revoker on Mox + Wasteland/Port can be surprisingly effective. You have plenty of ways to deal with Maze of Ith, Glacial Chasm and Marit Lage, they have inevitability on their side but a fast enough start will often make them fold. Vial is at a premium here. Don't side out Thalia. Your best maindeck creatures are Flickerwisp and Mangara, but pure beaters will pull their weight as well. Moms are also good, protecting from punishing fire and stopping Marit Lage in conjunction with a flier.

I haven't seen a dedicated Lands deck with Titania - that definitely might be a thing though.

Usually vs ~40 lands, Punishing Fire, Loam, Moxen, Explorations, and 6ish flex card (Intuition, Manabond, w/e) type builds I bring out all 4 STP and 1 Phyrexian Revoker for 2 Rest In Peace, 2 Cataclysm, and 1 Pithing Needle.

I would like a way to remove Exploration, at times I've had Disenchant SB and I'd bring that in over another Revoker, but I feel Council's Judgment and Ratchet Bomb are pretty slow.

Hi guys, glad to see people putting up good results lately! I'm getting excited to run this again.

@ Lands - Ratchet Bomb actually seems pretty decent; on 0 you might me able to hit multiple Mox Diamonds, which will really hurt in the early turns; its another out to Exploration as early as T3 when your LD might still be relevant; and if they ARE running Titania, it gets the tokens. Seems better than some other options, at least.

@ Enlightened Tutor - this is something that I feel fairly strongly about - why would you run 2x Tutor, when you could always use the 2nd Tutor slot as another target? I really, really like the 1st to act as an extra copy of whatever you are bringing in, but after that I'd rather use the next slot of another target that could break a matchup; something like Cage or Canonist. It allows me to have a GY hate package of 2-1 Cage-RIP (split however you prefer), while giving added flexibility of having a virtual X+1 copies of Cage where you want only that (Elves) or RIP when you want only that (Lands, RUG). And as someone pointed out, drawing 2x copies of Tutor is just.... ugh, its a bad feeling.

FWIW the reason I like the 2-1 Cage/RIP split is that I've often been screwed out of the game by GY decks before my T2, and having a T1 answer I can mulligan to is much better to me than just hoping they won't be that fast. Moreover, most of our other hate costs 2 so I prefer having the costs split so I can potentially act both T1 and T2 to lock up their plan (eg T1 Cage T2 Canonist/Thalia).


VS Miracles - Watching the Konig vs Lossett match, I thought it was interesting that Konig ran out the SFM before Thalia, even with a Mom out to protect her... [spoilers] yeah, he "gets" Lossett with the Vial activation in resp to Terminus, but they are generally playing it in their draw step and are not often THAT choked on mana, so I see this as taking advantage of an opportunity rather than a line to rely on. Bahra, can you shed some light into your thinking here? I know it's been a while but it seems memorable :P To me, it just seems better to run out Thalia (given that you have Mom) to choke their cantrips asap, especially if you've got Ports coming. The clock is not to be understated, I suppose...

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VS Miracles - Watching the Konig vs Lossett match, I thought it was interesting that Konig ran out the SFM before Thalia, even with a Mom out to protect her... [spoilers] yeah, he "gets" Lossett with the Vial activation in resp to Terminus, but they are generally playing it in their draw step and are not often THAT choked on mana, so I see this as taking advantage of an opportunity rather than a line to rely on. Bahra, can you shed some light into your thinking here? I know it's been a while but it seems memorable :P To me, it just seems better to run out Thalia (given that you have Mom) to choke their cantrips asap, especially if you've got Ports coming. The clock is not to be understated, I suppose...

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There was a lot of reasons not to play Thalia in that situation. First of all I didn't have the Mother of Runes active yet, I had to vial that in after I played my 2 drop. Second of all I had to tap my Karakas which meant that I left Thalia vulnerable to spot removal which could easily be prevented from just waiting 1 turn. Third of all he's playing Legend miracles not Ponder miracles which means that there's very few cantrips to affect with Thalia and that Thalia is most effective to just prevent a Jace on turn 4. Add to that, that the Stoneforge Mystic just has way higher impact, that I can protect the early equip from Swords to Plowshares AND that in that specific situation I had the Thalia + Terminus play in mind, and it's just a no brainer to play the Stoneforge Mystic before the Thalia.

http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=9124&d=252094&f=LE

Any thoughts?

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http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=9124&d=252094&f=LE

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It's been mentioned before; Arbiter builds crop up now and again but they rarely find popularity as the central "gimmick" of the deck (Arbiter + GQ) cannot be ensured consistently and that Arbiter himself is an iffy tax. Sometimes you bust your opponent's balls, sometimes they ignore him completely. But with Lands coming back I could see it.

Personally, I like Mangara of Corondor, which is another unpopular choice; as such I don't find myself wanting to test the Arbiter build, but if you like it I think there is some merit to building it.

I started playing recently with the D&T deck. My main question is what is better to start with if you have both in hand, mom or vial?

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I started playing recently with the D&T deck. My main question is what is better to start with if you have both in hand, mom or vial?

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Vial, almost 99% of the time

Unless you suspect a Daze, a resolved Vial is always great on the first turn.

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I started playing recently with the D&T deck. My main question is what is better to start with if you have both in hand, mom or vial?

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I've always been of the opinion that, given the choice, T1 Vial is better because a) there's a better chance that it will resolve and b) lets you vial-in the Mom as you go up the curve, thus maximizing mana efficiency. Moreover, there is the chance they'll tap out before their EOT so Mom can come in, dodge their removal and get active right away.

yes that is what I thought. Did some testing yesterday with some friends. Played against omnishow, reanimator and goblins. Played like 2-2 against omni, 2-0 vs reanimator and 2 times 2-1 against the goblin deck. Have a very good feeling about the deck:)

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yes that is what I thought. Did some testing yesterday with some friends. Played against omnishow, reanimator and goblins. Played like 2-2 against omni, 2-0 vs reanimator and 2 times 2-1 against the goblin deck. Have a very good feeling about the deck:)

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Reanimator and Gobs are good matchups for sure, but Omni can be a bit complicated; doing evenly against it is a good sign, for sure.

Would you mind posting a list?

I use this list atm:

9 Plains
4 Rishadan Port
4 Wasteland
3 Karakas
1Cavern of Souls
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Flagstones of Trokair

4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Mother of Runes
4 Flickerwisp
3 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Serra Avenger
2 Mirran Crusader
2 Mangara of Corondor
1 Brimaz, King of Oreskos

4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Aether Vial
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Fire and Ice

SB:
1 Ratched Bomb
1 Cataclysm
2 Council's Judgment
2 Rest in Peace
2 Containment Priest
2 Kor Firewalker
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Pithing Needle
1 Armageddon

I finally managed to get out of bed early enough to go to a tournament, and actually did fairly well for once. Here's a miniature short form tourney report.

My decklist: (Fairly generic build, nothing fancy)
7 Plains
4 Wasteland
4 Karakas
3 Rishadan Port
3 Flagstones of Trokair
2 Eiganjo Castle (Note: I only own 7 portal 1 plains, these are filler since I don't want to play mixed land arts.)

Spells:
4 Aether Vial
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Batterskull

Creatures:
4 Mother of Runes
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Serra Avenger
2 Spirit of the Labyrinth
2 Phyrexian Revoker
4 Flickerwisp
2 Mangara of Corondor
2 Brimaz, King of Oreskos

SB:
3x Sunlance
3x Burrenton Forge-Tender (Kinda mediocre. I'm going to be swapping it out for 2x Wilt-Leaf Liege and 1x Manriki Gusari)
3x Rest in Peace
2x Council's Jugement
2x Ethersworn Canonist
1x Phyrexian Revoker
1x Spirit of the Labyrinth

So, here's a quick rundown of my games. I didn't make any notes and it was about 10 hours ago so I may have forgotten how things went.
Round 1: GW Humans. Game 1 I open up with Wasteland go, turn 2 Stoneforge Mystic. He goes mom turn 2 mystic. Then I play a Mangara of Corondor and sort of wiggle my eyebrows at his mother of runes as he repeatedly taps it to stop my mangara from exploding it. After that, I just flickerwisped his Batterskull token and won with the Skull and Flickerwisp. Game 2 I can't honestly remember. Game 3, I think it was sort of like the first except I was the one that play Mother of Runes.

Round 2: Sneak and Tell. Overall, Karakas+Phyrexian Revoker on Sneak Attack stop him from doing much game 1. Game 2 he through the breaches me with an Emrakul. Game 3 it's like Game 1 except I also have a Labyrinth Spirit and his Show and Tell Griselbrand meets my Phyrexian Revoker. Then I removed it anyways and just swung to kill.

Round 3: RUG. Stuff happened. There were creatures, there was blocking, there was removal. It was a slow-ish grindy game. I won eventually with evasive creatures and being able to remove/trade for his Mongooses. Goyf I just chumped with random bears or Brimaz tokens. Highlights include triple Stoneforge Mystic to counter his Sulfur Elemental.

Round 4: Infect. He sort of splooged on my face with an Inkmoth Nexus before I could do anything. Game 2 I removed his Inkmoth nexus and swung with brimaz. Game 3, he had answers for double StP, then Become Immense -> Berserk happened and I died.

Round 5: Pox. Game 1, he plays a turn 1 Liliana. Then I sort of miraculously manage topdeck my way to slow grindy win. (Vial, then flickerwisp mainphase 2 to kill his liliana, then a revoker for his cursed scroll). Game 2 was similar to the first.

Overall, for once I didn't punt too badly. Burrenton Forge-Tender didn't work for my SB and I'll be swapping it out for other stuff.

How are people feeling about the 3-cmc spot(s)? I see Brimaz in a lot of lists recently. How do people feel about Mirran Crusader vs Brimaz? Bug seems rife in my meta

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How are people feeling about the 3-cmc spot(s)? I see Brimaz in a lot of lists recently. How do people feel about Mirran Crusader vs Brimaz? Bug seems rife in my meta

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No reason to play Brimaz currently. Mirran Crusader is much better in a BUG meta.

It's a meta thing. We don't have as much BUG, but have more weird RUG/UR/creature based things. Brimaz can sort of just trade things and facetank other things. Which means it works more for me.

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Reanimator and Gobs are good matchups for sure

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I agree with you on reanimator being a good matchup for DnT, but Goblins? Why do you say/think that?

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I agree with you on reanimator being a good matchup for DnT, but Goblins? Why do you say/think that?

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Jitte, SoFI, Batterskull. Each stomp out goblins. We name Vial with Revoker to deny them advantage/speed, or SGC, Gempalm or Sharpshooter to deny them removal (or use Mom) and we have simply better defense with or creatures.

Maybe you'll lose a game to gobs, but so long as you play smart (a factor in every game I suppose) you'll win basically every round.

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Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning

Jitte, SoFI, Batterskull. Each stomp out goblins. We name Vial with Revoker to deny them advantage/speed, or SGC, Gempalm or Sharpshooter to deny them removal (or use Mom) and we have simply better defense with or creatures.

Maybe you'll lose a game to gobs, but so long as you play smart (a factor in every game I suppose) you'll win basically every round.

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It's interesting to read that from your perspective; I'm primarily a goblins player and I've always found DnT to be a pretty favourable matchup for Goblins due to the card advantage and tutoring for key cards like Tin-Street Hooligan etc.

(Just to point out, I haven't come here to pick a fight, I've been playing DnT for a little bit now (because overall DnT is clearly the better deck in legacy) and it was just interesting to see Goblins raise a mention :tongue: )

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Originally Posted by Stevestamopz

It's interesting to read that from your perspective; I'm primarily a goblins player and I've always found DnT to be a pretty favourable matchup for Goblins due to the card advantage and tutoring for key cards like Tin-Street Hooligan etc.

(Just to point out, I haven't come here to pick a fight, I've been playing DnT for a little bit now (because overall DnT is clearly the better deck in legacy) and it was just interesting to see Goblins raise a mention :tongue: )

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Perhaps you are playing against inexperienced D&T players; they are rather common. However, I've played both sides a lot and D&T has the clear advantage almost every game, even in the face of artifact kill and stuff like Pyrokinesis. D&T just out-values Goblins, especially with Containment Priest, Canonist and extra removal out of the board.

Just my 2¢. Glad to see you've come to reason and joined our side, though. [emoji14]

I agree that Goblins is very favorable for us.

It's like a 75/25 match up if both players are experienced. And that's being generous to goblins.