Do you side the surgicals in another match up? . It takes a lot of sb space for only two pairings (dredge and reanimator)
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Do you side the surgicals in another match up? . It takes a lot of sb space for only two pairings (dredge and reanimator)
Try reading the last few pages.Quote:
Originally Posted by lemariont
Its definitely not just those two, its versatile enough that you could bring it in against almost anything that utilities the graveyard (so the mirror, ANT, RUG delver and a bunch more slightly off the beaten track decks).Quote:
Originally Posted by lemariont
Plus, as Bryant said a few pages back, its not just to combat the bad matches, it can also function as protection if they already cast a force (and other relevant hate cards) while also allowing you to peek at their hand for free!
I really like it, and although i haven't tested it yet, i feel like its going to have a solid spot for quite some time.
Extraction vs RUG delver because they have Force, Pierce, Snare, Stifle, Flusterstorm and not the ability to draw 14 cards or just to prevent that their Nimble gets Threshold o.O Can't find a single card I would board out to play Extraction postboard against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SScout
I still play 3 Swarms because no one plays Reanimator here and vs SneakShow it's a better protectionspell on its own and they have just 4 force and the fast kill to get rid of the bug.
Would be nice to have Extraction to improve some even or bad matchups but not sure how it's possible to make enough room in the sideboard with so many swarms.
Could not use Extraction for any significant value in my latest testing. With diverse disruption in opponents hand/grave it was rarely more than look at my opponents hand or removing cards I don't even cared for (Life from the Loam). Even SB Hymn to Tourach would have served better than SE in the games I played :/
Space is too tight to board in Pyroblasts + SE against RUG or stuff.
Sometimes I wonder if there's not the possibility to run some creatures in our sideboard for the Delver-decks....
You could play Tombstalker like AnT played in their sideboard years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Reanimator has tried Delver, not sure how that went. I'd personally like to to know if Young Pyromancer would do any good in R/X/Y/Z storm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Tried pyromancer and it was plain bad in storm as it requires you to fire off spells which are often rituals and stuff you don't want to waste. Delver is too easy to handle as they keep in Bolts (which is the reason Xantid Swarms arenot an option in this matchup). Tombstalker is pretty nice ... but not alongside Ad Nauseam, i fear...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hopo
Fuck that! i'm playing Hellcarver stompy tonight! Muahahahahaha
I feel like you're not using the card for it's proper intention if you're using it and looking at your opponent's hand full of "diverse protection", you shouldn't be siding it against RUG decks. I'm calling bullshit if you say Reanimator has diverse protection, they have a standard suite. I made the sideboard work pretty damn easily, while finding room for a Chain of Vapor, there's plenty of room as long as you're not running three copies of a useless two mana card!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
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These are the last four SCG Opens, notice how Reanimator has been doing? Pretty damn well. I won't continue to believe the myth that we can continually get by from avoiding the match-up, we dedicate more space to better match-ups in our sideboard. When we should be devoting space to where we need it. This thread has spent too much time caring about semi-irrelevant X/1's and not looking at the problems this deck has. Pyroblast and Surgical are absolutely right for a large metagame, look at the results. I build my deck for large events, if your local event doesn't have these decks (UWr Delver/Reanimator) it's not a fault of my list - it's your metagame. I just ask that no one spouts off making claims cards aren't needed because they don't see these match-ups. I analyze stats and evidence, most of the time when I play this deck I'm crunching numbers in my head, those are the things I look for when I make decisions regarding the sideboard.
Hey guys, I am new to this forum.
You can read my TES report if you like. You can check it out here:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...rnament-Report
Well that was a waste of a few minutes, not even sure if it was intended to be serious
Nah, it's a troll post. Still curious why my reports are the target here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay_Gatz
you are a Great man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcelo65
I just was thiking also to make a kind of report in which I relate how was the tournament when facing 1st Round MUD, 2nd Round MUD, 3rdRound Reanimator, 4th Miracles... because it is true that when you have a tournament like this, some how you re living the heart of the storm, I would say a dark heart of storm. Note also mulliganed in Reanimator.!
Joke. just stopping when saw 3 B.S. Horror.
Other things:
Looking at the reanimator lists from the links in most have plenty of T.Seize... thats why I fear surgical to be discarded...
Just curious but you prefer therapy or silence vs reanimator. I think the unique way is to use silence and xantid and just be faster...therapy needs to be used in fisrt turns and you just sometimes fail. for sure you'l name entomb or FoW...so according to the list and the initial plan:
I would do:
-4 Thereapy -1EtW
+3Xantid+1Tropical+1T.Seize.
or maybe leave 1 Thereapy instead of ponder.... realy don't know..
I would take this phrase - Lem:
you can only name a redundant number of various Reanimation spells with Therapy. The use of Silence and Swarm is to negate all the counters he drew of Griselbrand. I would not cut your own combo Elements like IT here. Tbh all this depends also if you run Telemin in your SB like I do - Resignated but 100% agree.
I just T.P or Bribery makes you to not to side I.T. as we really don't want to take it out, we need to be quick and now B.W. is like Infernal. this sideboard plan means the same disruption cards.
I really would like to know the idea of surgical strategy plan because of leaving in or out the C.Therapy...please let us know the plan.
Note that a completely different approach I used in ANT, just full discard if not enough just add even more discard, maybe te approach is this.
I still really do not know how to side vs Reanimator as I have lost more than win vs this match up... so I can't give a guarranty.
How the hell do you side vs team America, as 1 tropical (1 ponder or 1C.Mox) does not seem The Super Great Change To Definately Win. maybe -1 C.Mox-1Ponder = +1T.Seize+1Tropical is correct? Sure is not a bad match up but if you face 3 in a tournament I just want the percentages t win the 3...
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Originally Posted by Pelikanudo
Checking it out now (:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Time to update your signature!
*puts reading glasses*
Oh Hell's yeah Lemnear, you just made my morning!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Another fantastic report Lem; exactly what I needed after a long week of work travel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Woooo Woooo Woooo, Thank you very much for the report Lem, you are an authentic GOD of STORM !!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Slow roll, Bro. The deck serves me pretty well, but there is no reason to go over the top here. Everyone can do good with enough practice and for every tournament I cover here, I have several mediocre local showings. Don't think it's always like that. Maybe part of the Secret is that in those tourneys I have the time to evaluate my moves due to untimed rounds and with the excessive notes I take there, I tend to make less mistakes (compared to hilarious brainfarts I have in local afterwork-events at times lol).Quote:
Originally Posted by lemariont
Thanks for the report, man! :smile:
I can imagine it took forever to write, as it took me close to forever to read. :tongue:
Enjoyed every bit of it though.
I love that you included your train of thought where you almost missed the easy Tendrils for the win. Nice to know lines of play like that are still almost missed by the best of us. Very reassuring to those of us that aren't nearly as quick with the deck (:
Glad you guys liked it :)
P.S.: the prime german MtG site MTG-Forum.de is an absolute joke. I posted there in the (totally underdeveloped) TES Thread with a link to the article on Eternal Central and IT WAS MARKED AND DELETED AS SPAM!! Seriously, no wonder some deck-techs there are still from 2011...
I'd love to hear some testimonies of people who have been playing Pyroblast and Surgical. Has it been working as planned? How exactly do you board it in/against who? Stories of glory? Stories of failure?
Went unimpressive 2-3 today at the open. Made some misplays. Showed rust after last minute audible to TES from ANT. Definitely happy I made the switch.
I misplayed in round 1 when my only source of mana was chrome mox, and I went to Chain of Vapor vs Deadguy and forgot he could copy it and he got me.
Round 2 was against affinity. He had lethal on board, so I threw a hail Mary needing my PiF to cast ponders and my ponder finally found my burning wish. Game two was t1 empty for 14.
Round three was vs dredge with brainstorm... ? I had a slow hand but got diminishing returns to reset his yard and won from there the next turn. I suspected he would board in forces and lo and behold, he did. Still didn't matter. He scooped to goblins even though I don't think he was just dead.
Round 4 Iplayed against jund lands, went with goblins on T1 and he had tabernacle. Game two I end up using my two infernal tutors to get LEDS when he went to get ravens crime and just hoped the top of my deck was good to me. I had to play around crop rotation. Drew infernal and got ad nauseam ftw. Game three, I keep a nice hand that can ad nauseam on turn 1. My opponent goes, mox diamond, faithless looting discarding sire of insanity, reanimate. What?? :((((((
Round 5 I stopped caring. But still played tough. Game one I saw he was on high tide. Stripped his counters, killed him t3. Lost game two after getting dark ritual instead of Rite of Flame on IT, then end up being a red short of a pif kill. Game three, I go to therapy, he forces. I go to kill, he forces again :/
Dropped. Rough beats. Losing to jund lands the way I did really hurt. Deck was good to me all day though. Not sure if I'll play it again for the Atlanta open in a few weeks.
Only tested Pyroblast so far. It's only been in smaller local events/games so while I haven't put it through a long day of play I think it's a good card for us especially against the generally expected field/card choices on the other side of the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrettF
Recent games from the last local events we've had:
- UR Delver - never drew it; womp womp (EDIT) I should add that I'm not sure if it's as suitable against UR as UWr but G1 we made it to T2 before the kill so a bit of shot in the dark.
- Deathblade - countering a clique to protect the combo
- SnS - powering through Spell Pierce for the win
I've found it more useful than things that used to take its slots in the board.
I played them this weekend. Only played vs one blue deck. Definitely should've brought them in.
I don't have time to reply in detail at the moment, but I've been using the following sideboard and so far I'm very pleased with it:
2 Xantid Swarm
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Pyroblast
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Thoughtseize
1 Grapeshot
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Past in Flames
1 Diminishing Returns
I'm playing in a small event tonight with it, so I'll post a reply to the people asking how the Surgical Extractions/Pyroblasts have been after that with my thoughts.
This is my exact SB at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by vercadium
A scenario came up on camera from the scg this weekend with ANT vs Deathblade. You're on the draw in game 3 and your opp plays at Polluted Delta and passes.
You probe and see this hand:
3x Brainstorm
1x Rest in Peace
1x Jace TMS
1x Stoneforge Mystic
You have a turn 1 AD at instant speed without needing to tutor. Do you attempt to "get" your opponent by passing the turn and responding to his fetch? I realize this involves ANT in the scenario, but the same scenario could occur with TES.
In this sceanrio your opp can do this diferent things:
1 not crack fetch and draw. Here his draw can be land or fow.
2 dont crack fetch and dont draw land. Here he should crack on his mp and bs.
3 crack fetch eot and bs. He will be bs locked but with other bs he can see 2 more cards on his mp2 wich is a total of 5 wich should get him there. And if he draws pierce or so. He can just cast it if he dont finds lamds and is really conservative.
4 dont crack draw a land and we r fucked into too much options and better quality draws.
So i think his best plan is option 3 wich gives him to look at 5 cards. And have mana up if he dont draw land but draw pierce.
So i would just wait there and expecto him to crack eot. If he dosnt do it. We still can made yolo in hus unkeep. Forcing him to tap mana and seeing just 3 cards. So not bad.
That's a very stong gameplan, man!Quote:
Originally Posted by Togores
This assumes passing the turn? No thought on gambling on no Fow in top three cards?Quote:
Originally Posted by Togores
I would pass the turn.
If your opp is a competent player he will crack eot and bs or in his turn.
If you want to gamble on fow its better to do in his unkeep. Much more playing ant that has not so easy a win with a 0 mana nauseam like tes. And also if this resolves u get to have all cards and not discard eot of your turn.
Thats just my thoughts.
But i think the better plan is to nauseam at latest in his unkeep. If he drws land he can see up to 6 cards. And now he can only see 3 is mana and bs locked and u only lost 3 cards (expecting land dr dr ad) and he lost 2 so ur just a card down in a deck that can win with pif really easy.
The lack of context makes answering this question really difficult.Quote:
Originally Posted by mario91234
Guess there is enough Information available. Opponents hand and field is known as you being able to cast Ad Nauseam at instant speed from your hand. The question was, WHEN to make use of this fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Royce Walter
Togores rightfully plots to respond to an eot fetch with Ad Nauseam first and opts to gamble against a Brainstorm finding FoW during his opponents upkeep, if the opponent, FOR WHATEVER REASON, doesn't want to trade in one of his 3 Brainstorms for value at eot.
I would do this myself any day of the week.
Yuhuuuu +1 for me^^
Vielen dank Herr Stürmer :tongue:
This is the sideboard I'm planning to run during the Grand Prix in Paris.Quote:
Originally Posted by vercadium
However, I'm sorta on the fence about the Death n Taxes matchup. I remember it used to be a annoying matchup even when 3 Chain of Vapor were in the sideboard.
I've pondered about replacing 1 Surgical with 1 Karakas. As it's also great against Reanimator (also better against Exhume), SneakShow and also against Thalia/Teeg/Ruric Thar.
Any thoughts on this? Or any thoughts in general for the upcoming Grand Prix?
Thanks in advance!
Tom
I think that 90% of the time, with 3 BS in hand and stuck on 1 land, the miracle player will eot BS, attempting to find land and counterbalance or something of the sort. So I like in response to fetch Ad Nauseam.