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The thing that amazes me is that this guy made 13rd place in a 1878 players GP with the meta full of ANT, GW, UW Stoneforge, UB Snapcaster Control, Reanimator, Team America, etc. It's amazing that he made 13rd with most of the decks beeing tough a matchup for elves..
Out of those matchups, I'd only be worried about ANT and Reanimator. Mid-range decks have a hard time beating Glimpse of Nature, and even harder time beating Vengevine. I'm not surprised he did well, except for dodging many combo matchups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godmode
It kinda irks me how he didn't just play Burrenton Forge-Tender instead of Absolute Law in the SB. Not a huge fan of the deck, albeit mixing VengeVival with the Glimpse plan is kinda cool in itself.
I knocked him out of contention in the 15th round because I nutdrawed him two games in a row. He won 2-1 vs almost the same list as I played, earlier in the tournament (the three of us all ended up top16, I had 2 Firespouts to board in while Erwin had 0) but I went turn 2 Emrakul with FoW backup on the play game 1 and game 2 he mulled to 6 and I went turn 3 Emrakul with double FoW backup while he had 1 land and Quirion Ranger. It felt kind of bad to not have a real game since he was a very nice opponent to play against :) I'm glad he won his last round and hope to see him in Honolulu! :D
Hello Jon! I am Samuel Poulain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trentemoller
I have been very pleased to play against you (although you had a indecent luck!!!).
Unfortunatly, I won't go to Honolulu because I only play legacy. I hope I see you next year in the BOM or in the Ovinogeddon.
UW stoneforge, bant (aggro, mystical, NO), UB snapcaster control, TA, team Portugal, Merfolk, zoo are good MU for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godmode
I have never lost against those MU since the ban of mental misstep.
ANT is tough (of course), reanimator is a bad MU but I have some efficient answers post SB.
Tempo thres is also a difficult MU, Tempo zoo is an awfull MU.
During the last 5 tournaments, I lost against :
- Maverick (twice),
- burn (once),
- UBW esperblade (once),
- Sneak show (once),
- painter (once)
- punishing big zoo (once).
The most important thing is that I don't play my deck like a normal elfball. I don't try to win with combo glimpse : I try to be patient, to control opponent's threats, then find a kill. I lost power and explosivity and I gained thoughness.
With that strategy, chord of calling >> pact, vengevine>> hivemaster.
However, I think my MD is very efficient, but my SB needs some modifications (exit : 3 absolute law, 2 faerie macabre, in : the fourth vengevine, 2 surgical extraction, 2 summoner's pact).
I played agains him and lost(uwr stoneblade). He is a dangerous topdecker, rly. Always 3 Glimpse, Postboard always 2x Natural Order and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godmode
I guess you talk about the wrong person : I have not played against UWr stoneblade (which is not a good MU for me). I think you played against Olivier Pamart (pseudo : Blind) who is 20 years old, I am 37.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ajsmirnov
I didn't play Vs Uwr Stoneblade :
My GP is :
Urg Tempo Delver 1-0
Burn 2-0
AnT 3-0
AnT 3-1
Team Portugal 4-1
Maverick 5-1
Bant 6-1
Dredge 6-2
ElfBall (full combo) 6-3
Yes, should wrong person. I played against Thomas Drapala[FRA], he finished 62.
I am Samuel Poulain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ajsmirnov
I made :
R1 : 1 bye
R2 : aggro-white stompy 2/1
R3 : Mystic bant 2/0
R4 : maverick 0/2
R5 : zoo 2/0
R6 : aggro bant 2/0
R7 : UB aggro control 2/1
R8 : team america 2/0
R9 : elfball 2/0 (in a mirror match, Mirror entity>> Emrakul :tongue: )
R10 : painter 1/2 (mulligan 4 on the 3rd :frown:)
R11 : UW cawblade 2/0
R12 : sneak show 2/1
R13 : ANT 2/1 (very lucky on the 3rd, my only faerie macabre made me won)
R14 : merfolk U 2/0
R15 : sneak show 0/2 (Trentemoller crushed me very kindly !! :smile: Unfortunately, he did not make TOP8)
R16 : Tempo thresold 2/1
13/0/3
@samman1
I knew this deck had a difrent playstyle, that's why I was having some trouble figuring out how to play it at its maximum potential (i.e: how /and when to use fauna shaman because it's kind of a slow and vunerable strategy, wich strategy go to from the beggining because this deck misses some explosiveness for resilience so you cant go off as smoothly as a normal elfball)Quote:
Originally Posted by samman1
And what is Goblin Sharpshooter for? Is is for the mirror?
Do you only take off the Venvegines against fast passed MU like storm combo decks?
I would really appreciate if you could help me on this. And congrats again for the awesome finish and I hope you crush the competition at BoM!
Fauna shaman has several interests :Quote:
Originally Posted by Godmode
always : can fetch key creatures (symbiot, nettle, heritage druid, mirror entity, regal force), can "produce" vengevines : with quirion ranger and symbiot, I can put 3 VV in the battlefield in the same turn, can be "sacrificied" to force opponent to play counters or anti creature spells.
Post SB : If I play against reanimator and I have active fauna and my opponent has no creature in play, I am almost sure to win (3 faerie macabre), if I have several creatures on the battlefield and an active fauna, I can fetch caller of the claw in response to a mass removal, ...
I love to play like that :
chord of calling and vengevine in hand, end of opponent's turn, I play chord to put fauna in play. During my turn, tricks with fauna to put 2 ou 3 vengevines in play.
When you have 2 VV, at least 1 elve and symbiot, the aggro mode is very often easy (there a several exceptions : exalted clique, terravore, sword of feast and famine...). I can resist 3 ou 4 turn, then find a kill FTW.
Goblin sharpshooter is the answer of :
- exalted vendillion clique,
- 1/1 goblin tokens,
- aven mindcensor (with my 6 fetchlands and 9 tutors, this card hurts me a lot),
- peacekeeper (I saw some decks packing 4 peacekeepers in SB),
- mother of runes (I can untap it in resp of mother's effect),
- ethersworn canonist,
- random creatures (porcelain legionnaire for instance),
- mirror match.
I side out 3 VV with combo tendrills decks, reanimator, dredge. With painter, I only side out 2 VV.
I play this deck in a control way : my priority is very often to put symbiot in play because it gives card advantage and protection. Playing soon combo glimpse is an opportunity (sometimes a necessity), not an purpose. My purpose is very often to control the board and force my opponent to play all of its control card. Then I can play kills for the win.
@samman1
So you're main goal is to get the synergy of Mirror + Symbiote + Heritage + Sentinel going and then go off with the glimpse or regal force. If your oponent has a very interactive deck like team america or another heavy control deck, you go the fauna shaman / vengevine route. Right?
How do you feel about playing 61 cards or is the decklist incorrect?
There is no answer, it is always a problem of opportunity. I have some threats :Quote:
Originally Posted by Godmode
- combo glimpse,
- mirror cradle,
- infinite mana combo,
- aggro vengevine (without fauna),
- fauna/vengevine trick (with quirion ranger and symbiot).
I choose the solution between the possible solutions, the pressure on the board and the control cards I think my opponent has in hands.
If you play against heavy control, fauna/VV is of course a good solution. It also depends on the tempo : hardcasting VV turn 3 is a good play, even if i have fauna in hand (it depends on my feeling of the situation).
You are right : playing a 61 cards deck seems weird. If you find a card to leave in my MD, I would be very happy to talk with you about it. I spent hours to reduce my MD and I have failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waikiki
I play this version since 3 months and it works very well. Every deck can be improved and I want to improve my version.
For the MD, I would like to introduce a 1 slot titania.
My SB is not optimal : 3 non fetchable slots for absolute law for instance.
I have chosen absolute law for punishing fire.deck, tempo thres, tempo zoo and burn/sligh decks. There must be a better solution. I precise that burrenton forge trender (I love that card) cannot be a solution by itself (not efficient enough against tempo thres, tempo zoo, punishing fire.deck that are bad MU).
If some people like my list and want to test it, I would be pleased to share our ideas, analysis, results and improvements.
Nice to see you French guys join the thread! Now I can maybe stop trying translating your forums :P!
Blind, what list did you play? The fast combo list with Gytaxian Probe on legacy-france? Or something else? Im thinking about making a pure combo list, maybe with Gytaxian Probe, not sure about that yet. But I have yet to decide on my win-con. Emrakul, Entity with Chords, or Ezuri with Pacts.. You guys have ideas about that?
Congrats on the finish samman1.
Just one question, what's the rationale behind the single Crop Rotation?
I think Emrakul is not the best kill, because it is often a bad topdeck while mirror entity and Ezuri are often good topdecks. Entity can be tutorised by chord, Ezuri can be tutorised by any tutor. That makes a strong différence.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1maarten1
Emrakul has the advantage of being a very efficient kill, with its time walk effect. But during the GP, I resisted this kill in a mirror match then win.:smile:
Between Ezuri and mirror, Ezuri gives the opportunity to play monoG. If you play titania MD, GSZ x 4 can be a very good kill.
I prefere mirror because of the unlimited mana combo, that can turn a glimpse fizzle into a kill .