Thank You very much, I misunderstood.Quote:
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Thank You very much, I misunderstood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rain
The list from the second link is just awesome. I like it very much. I think vendilion clique is a very nice and interesting addition to this deck. I personally don't like the sidebord though. I completely cannot understand why he was running submerges? Any thoughts?Quote:
Originally Posted by menace13
Looks like their meta has quite a few creatures? Maybe tempo decks with goyf? Considering there's SB propaganda.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave8
But why is Magus in there? What MUs does he help with?
When dropped on T1-2 (the lists are running 2 A.Tomb, 2 C.ofTraitors, 3 Lotus Petal/Simian Spirit Guide), anything except for mono-R Goblins, mono-U Merfolk, Mono-G Elves, Mono-B The Gate and mono-W weenie, pretty much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokobotenkai
I can see at least landstill decks having quite some problems if their primary win condition is Mishra's Factory, for example. And casting a Jace with 4 Mountains (supposing a 3c or 4c landstill build which fights versus being Wasteland color-screwed by removing all basic lands and replacing all of them with duals) should not be that easy, either.
I am guessing it is somewhat of an anti-Karakas (possibly even anti-Jace) card, which can also mana screw some other opponents using lots of duals. Which sounds like covering many of the deck's bad MUs, really.
EDIT: Paying the upkeep cost of Peacekeeper should also be difficult without basic Plains.
I understand the power of moon effects, but why Magus over Blood Moon? If either is better, we would see a 4 of either card instead of a 2/2 split. That's what's I'm not getting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karhumies
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Originally Posted by dave8
I have always been a fan of submerge. but the thing I like most about it in Sneak in Show is that can "condem" KotR if they activate it. It's also not bad against Goyf and fetch lands. When I played S&S I was most afraid of decks running those cards, but maybe that's just me. Getting rid of KotR can win games because often it's the only thing that answers Emrakul in their deck.
Blood Moon can often be hit by Spell Pierce post board. Magus can't.
Good point, never thought of it that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rain
I have a lot of trouble trying to decide what to side out. Anyone care to help?
Which particularly MU's are you trying to side in/out against? Also post a decklist please so we can see what we have to work with. :P
So, y'know, I honestly don't know how I feel about the Blightsteel Colossus. On the one-hand it becomes that much less amazing when StP/PtE or if they chump block and they're sitting there with less-than-lethal poison, but on the other hand the aspect of killing them immediately when it CIP makes it highly attractive. I'm currently doing the standard 4-4 split of Emrakul but I may considering dropping perhaps 1-1 of both and possibly a Song to see how the card performs.
Forlorn Egoist
For the upcoming SCG open what would be the list of creatures you would run?
4 Emrakul is a given but then what?
Progenitus?
woodfall?
Ulamog ( the sac 4 is amazing )
Also what do you feel about using SDT in this deck?
I personally ran both woodfall and prog, and I feel that Prog is still the best. I don't like Ulamog due it being easily removed. Woodfall is kinda removal for those ensnaring bridge and other pesky stuff but all of them don't help against humility. I'm also currently trying out Form of the Dragon as moat + beacon of destruction works amazing against quite a few decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingsey
SDT is great here for added library manipulation but maybe at a 1-2 of, you don't want to run 4.
I was going to 2 tops.
U said you ran both?
What numbers did you use?
4 emrakul
3 progen
3 woodfall?
I'll be running 3 intuition as well so 3 seems to be a magic number?
Mind posting up your best list we can compair?:cool:
I ran a 2/2 split but dropped woodfall in the end, as I don't meet decks with ensnaring bridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingsey
I run 2 intuition, haven't tried 3 though.
This is my current list I'm testing.
// 19 Lands
4 Volcanic Island
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Misty Rainforest
2 Island
1 Mountain
2 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
1 Tropical Island
// 8 Creatures
4 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 Progenitus
// 33 Other Spells
4 Show and Tell
4 Sneak Attack
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
2 Intuition
3 Spell Pierce
3 Daze
4 Force of Will
3 Lotus Petal
2 Sensei's Divining Top
// Sideboard
3 Firesprout
1 Wipe Away
3 Xantid Swarm
2 Magus of the Moon
2 Blood Moon
3 Red Elemental Blast
1 Pyroblast
There's no reanimator and dredge in my meta so no gy hate, and my meta has next to zero storm combo except for a significant number of belcher which I have no issues with.
I'm wanting to try Form of the Dragon but no idea what to cut for it.
Wipe Away is there to fill the last slot in my SB.
Form of Dragon sounds amazing against RB Goblins and Landstill off of a SnT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokobotenkai
One of the lists in the links i posted last page had Steel Wind, 1 in main 3 in sb. No reason why It couldn't be Iona, Sphinx seems good only in the favorable mus.
A fast Progen can still race almost anything, last daily I played against Dreadstill and made a Prog off of a SnT he made Stiflenought, 2 turns 14 damage from him 20 from me.
@That Nice Guy- sideboarding is different every game and matchup. What list are you using and what match ups do you need help with?
Hey guys this is the list i think i've settled on.
3x lotus petal
4x sneak attack
4x show and tell
4x emrakul
4x progenitus
4x brainstorm
4x ponder
4x force of will
3x daze
3x spell peirce
2x intuition
2x sensei's top
2x island
1x mountain
4x ancient tomb
4x volcanic island
4x scalding tarn
4x blue fetch
Looking for help on the sideboard. also what to take out vs what match ups?
sideboard looks like
3x firespout ( tribal )
3x Red ele blast ( CB/FISH )
3x null rod ( Lots )
3x cyrpt (dredg )
3x ???
Looking forward to what you think.
I've recently picked this deck up, and I was wondering if people have tested or theorized about burning wish, and moving one show and tell to the sideboard?
Instead of Sneak Show, this guy runs Natural Order- Show and Tell:
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=36632
It T8ed SCG Open Minneapolis just recently. I opened a thread here including my proposed list:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...707#post520707
I would like your insights on this combination at the thread above as I have no experience with Sneak Show and your thoughts are valued. I played Necrotic Ooze/Show and Tell so I have some experience with Show and Tell, but not a whole lot. Cheers and sorry for clogging up this thread.
We did have some discussion about Wish in Salvation and it was mostly kinda meh.Quote:
Originally Posted by JadeOberg
It screws up your sb and we don't really have many decent targets to wish for, at least, enough to warrant BW main.
@Ivanpei:
Looks real interesting actually, quite similar to a few old reanimator lists where they have goyfs as a backup plan.
But how is the manabase against decks with non-basic hate? With the higher cmc requirements, it might seem rather tough.
From my experience, its painfully slow. T3 combo, kill on Turn 5 (Turn 4 with emmy). Against aggro it's fine because you can disrupt with thoughtseize and force while chumping with your mana bears/dryad arbod. Wastelands and stuff are fine, you are slowed a turn but so is the opponent. You don't have the "initial mana" problem because it runs 19 lands and 8 mana critters. You do turn on their STP though, if they know how to use them correctly on your mana critters. The deck however, is very good vs control, the combo is easily assembled, very little dead cards, can run 4 force, 4 thoughtseize, 1 duress + 4 ponder, 4 brainstorm, 3 LDV for very high consistency and disruption package.
The weakness is the combo mirror. This deck is way too slow to put a clock on other combo decks. I tested against reanimator and he Iona-ed me a turn quicker than my own show and tell/No, raping my deck. TES and other combo decks are much faster than this deck and run a similar disruption package. That's the major problem.