It might belong there, but I was trying to emphasize Toxic as a Plague Wind.Quote:
Originally Posted by lyracian
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It might belong there, but I was trying to emphasize Toxic as a Plague Wind.Quote:
Originally Posted by lyracian
A little off-topic, but I'm curious why Black Sun's Zenith has not seen the same application in Team America, esp vs Tribal & Vial decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by CalebD
Quite possibly the BB in its cost and the scaling issue also seen in Bane of the Living. Both have an X in their relevant costs. Deluge only has a B in its cost, and is much more splashable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
Possibly, but Team America has routinely cast: Sinkhole, Tombstalker, Hymn to Tourach; and now some versions have DRS to supplement its mana advancement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkenslight
I would guess that there's just no reason to run it over Golgari Charm. Charm is one mana cheaper, has other useful modes, and at x=2 you start killing your own Delvers and Deathrites and putting Tombstalkers in bolt range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
I guess this will depend on how often TNN is actually a 3/1. Pretty much every deck people are pointing to as a home for True-Name have some way of raising his toughness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Cheese
the issue is that its inferior to other options....Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
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x = 1 infest is better
x = 2 massacre is probably better cause it has the option to be free / Damnation
x = 3 damnation is probably superior
Team america doesn't want an excess of mana so x=3 is probably rare in that deck.
-1/-1 counters, ironically, makes it weaker. The whole point of -x/-x effects being good is that you can scale them against their creatures. Your opponents' x/1 creatures die and your fatties end up ok. Putting -1/-1 counters on your big guys takes the wind out of the sails imo. And obviously there are better cards that you could run, like Golgari Charm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
Also, versatility is key. With only a max of 15 sb slots your card needs to be really good against what you're looking for if really narrow(Perish, Virtue's Ruin, Chill) or moderately good against a good amount of matchups(Golgari Charm, Pernicious Deed, Duress).
I think Restore is interesting and potentially Legacy playable, and it's in multiple decks. The other Legacy-playables are certainly one-ofs though.Quote:
Originally Posted by AngryTroll
Good call; Restore is currently flying pretty low on the radar, but looks interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
I'm also suprised that people haven't talked about toxic deluge. I would be willing to loose life just to wipe the board. You can potentially have it out in turn 2, if need be, using deathrite.Quote:
Originally Posted by TsumiBand
Strategic Planning seems like an interesting reprint.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
What's the order of play for Tempt with Discovery?
It's turn order, so your opponent will see what land you get before they make a choice (and then you get to see their choice before making your next one).Quote:
Originally Posted by rufus
So Thespian's Stage-> Dark Depths isn't going to happen often. The joy of choice cards. Even so, it's one of a very small number of cards that will fetch any land.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggro_zombies
Well, if you fetch either half, your opponent can just find Wasteland and wait. They'll be able to respond to the activation to take out Stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by rufus
Whether it's better to get Waste and let them find both pieces or not get Waste and let them sit on one (with the other possibly in hand) is another issue.
Widespread PanicQuote:
Originally Posted by rufus
2R
Enchantment Rare
Whenever a spell or ability causes its controller to shuffle his or her library, that player puts a card from his or her hand on top of his or her library.
Just to clarify, they cut off any interesting interaction between this and Soldier of Fortune or Surgical Extraction by saying that the controller has to control the effect to cause the shuffle. I was hoping that Bitter Ordeal might finally have become useful, but no go.
What I'm looking for is a way to benefit you to be able to put your own stuff on top of your library, but the only thing I've got at the moment is Skill Borrower, which is sorta bleh. The card I was thinking of originally was Mise, which is not, as they say, Legacy-legal. Soooo...Draco Explosion?
Seems fun on its face, but I'm pretty sure it's terrible. As per Rufus, Flash would have made it interesting, or a 1CC.
Heh. It's worse than I originally thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by cherub_daemon
I'm not entirely sure about the timing, but you should be able to put a card on top of your deck, and then fire it off with violent outburst, and maybe other cascade cards. (The usual suspects would be no-cc suspend cards.)
I think WotC are recognizing that tutors somewhat mangle the desired properties of EDH/Commander. This is their first attempt to deal with that. Soon they'll print an overpowered/undercosted version in :u:.
Turn 1: Play land, Steppe LynxQuote:
Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
Turn 2: Play fetchland, fetch land, cast Restore on fetchland, fetch another land. Attack with 8/9 Steppe Lynx
Add Vinelasher Kudzu for some fun Landfall deck. You could even splash blue for Delver, Daze, and Ensnare.
Another approach would be to play Lotus Cobra and generate mana with it...
Oi, I missed that on the first pass. That's a good catch.Quote:
Originally Posted by cherub_daemon
Insert troll post about how between Widespread Panic and Unexpectedly Absent, RW Rifter has a powerful new ally in opponent's shuffling?
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When do these become legacy legal?