[Deck] GW/x Maverick

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Originally Posted by TossUsToLions

This thread has a lot of non-Maverick players' stance on Aven to get other points of view on the card: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...ven-Mindcensor

I think that he is good as a surprise factor, but if your opponent know you are running it, it loses a lot of value. It also depends on your meta. GW Maverick is nonexistent in my area (possibly in my country? Haven't seen it at any SCG events.) and storm combo is very rare. Like IBA said about Crusader, if you think it will make your deck more consistent than Aven would, then run Crusader, or whatever else works for you. IMO, this deck is all about consistency, and this is the reason why I am beginning to test a list without Aven

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Hello,
How's your testing without aven and what would did you replaced it with.

@rukcus

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Batterskull
Does GW/u Maverick need Batterskull to operate in most metagames?
Would Sword of Fire/Ice be better against Goblins/Merfolk?
Which matchups would it really shine?
Which matchups would the flexibility of other equipment (you know, actually equipping your creatures) be more relevant?
How many times has the life gain mattered?

I would like to state that I have once beaten ANT by getting an early Batterskull and riding the life gain to victory. I think I would have won anyway, since I got to turn 3 and survived.

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Hello,
At start i had doubt about batterskull since i really liked solas, but as my testing went on i never looked back at solas. For me the top equips are 1> jitte 2> sofi 3> batterskull/solas 4> sofam/sobam

I don't like running 4 equips in my build as i feel its too many i'll rather have a body. Now for the breakdown between the batter vs any other equips for me the 3rd equip is a meta call but in a general meta i'd still go for batterskull bec, late game its not a dead card as compared to any other equipment. an early batterskull is very very good against aggro, like i've said the 3rd equip is a meta call if your area is filled with aggro like mine batterskull is the right choice for me atleast, if your area has tons of control i'd go for sobam or sofam. solas provides +3 life , protection and recursion which is very good aswell but for me the 4/4 vigilance lifelink is much more significant bec its a body once you land him as compared to any equip which needs a body before you could use it. As for the drawback of having to large of a casting cost compared to any other equips i'll still take it. Again for me the last or 3rd equip is a meta call.

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Mental Misstep
Does this replace Mother of Runes strictly?
Does anyone advocate running 4 maindeck? What about 3 maindeck, 1 sideboard?
How many times do you draw this as the first card after starting the game on the draw?
In which metagames is this card more important than Mother of Runes?

It feels like both these points could use more fleshing out for the Primer/opening post.

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For me it doesn't replace mother it actually helps mother bec mother can save another creature and you have protection for your mother in case it gets hit by a 1cc removal. I've tested MM but i feel its more of a SB card rather than a main in my gw shell atleast.

Normally i board in mm against decks that packs tons of removals or decks that has very few removals like maverick and zoo. in terms of general use they almost have the same function saving an important creature in play the only advantage of MM is that its useful sometimes against combo or control preventing them for casting cantrips. As for the number of copies for mm, i started running 4 but slowly i felt that 3 is the magic number for mm.

Hello
To fellow GW aggro / mav players, i've recently tested out a different build and i would like to hear your feedbacks or comments on it. Basically the big difference in the build is that i removed GSZ which im not sure if its a mistake or not. I have no problems with GSZ and i must say its a good card but why did i decide to take it out is simply bec of grand abolisher At start i played with 3 copies of him but felt his too defensive like mother of runes that why im now playing with 2. What i like about him is that it forces your opponent to tapped out and slows them down to some extent paired with mor your creatures can last longer in the field and the scenario of "equip my creature, opponent responds with bolt it" will no longer happen during your turn and making your creatures more dangerous than before.

Now for my build.
Lands [21]
4 wasteland
4 savannah
4 windswept heath
1 misty rainforest
1 flooded strand
1 gae's cradle
1 karakas
2 forest
3 plains

Creatures [26]
3 mother of runes
3 noble hierarch
1 birds of paradise
4 qasali pridemage
2 tarmogoyf
2 scryb ranger
2 grand abolisher
3 stoneforge mystic
3 knight of the reliquary
3 mirran crusader

Spells [13]
2 elspeth, knight of errant
4 swords to plowshares
1 jitte
1 sofi
1 batterskull
2 sylvan library
2 oblivion ring

Sideboard [15]
3 cataclysm
3 mental misstep
1 jotun grunt
1 bojuka bog
3 ethersworn canonist
1 gaddock teeg
2 kitchen finks
1 sword of body and mind


thats my current build, before the changes the main deck was -1mirran -1pridemage -2abolisher // +3gsz +1eternal witness, do you think i made the right choice in dropping gsz for abolisher ?

What do you stand to gain from Grand Abolisher?
Losing GSZ on the other hand, reduces the deck's consistency, and you miss out on a great tutor. Once you cut GSZ, it's better to just cut green altogether and play mono white Taxes.

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Originally Posted by rukcus

What do you stand to gain from Grand Abolisher?
Losing GSZ on the other hand, reduces the deck's consistency, and you miss out on a great tutor. Once you cut GSZ, it's better to just cut green altogether and play mono white Taxes.

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What i like about him is that it forces your opponent to tapped out and slows them down to some extent paired with mor your creatures can last longer in the field and the scenario of "equip my creature, opponent responds with bolt it" will no longer happen during your turn and making your creatures more dangerous than before. It also makes your SB resolves when he is in play.

Seriously, I dont know why i even bother anymore telling everyone to play Thorn of Amethyst.

But WTF are Ethersworn Canonists doing in your Sideboard? They are horrible atm. They are bad against Reanimator, Hive Mind and Painterstone. And they are still worse than Thorn against Tendrils decks and Solidarity. The only reason to run them would be if Elves were big in your Meta for some reason.

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Originally Posted by Tao

Seriously, I dont know why i even bother anymore telling everyone to play Thorn of Amethyst.

But WTF are Ethersworn Canonists doing in your Sideboard? They are horrible atm. They are bad against Reanimator, Hive Mind and Painterstone. And they are still worse than Thorn against Tendrils decks and Solidarity. The only reason to run them would be if Elves were big in your Meta for some reason.

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Thanks for pointing that out, i'll cut the canonist in my sideboard and probably replace them with thorn of amethyst

Cutting GSZ is a step back in my eyes. It brings consistency which is power of this deck, you can run, a lot of single creatures toolbox and fetch them in important moments. I think it's bad direction. Abolisher is nice but it more fits to D&T than Maverick.

I agree, The fact you run 4 zenith's is what makes the deck strong. You can fetch the right answer to any given situation. That's what makes this deck viable.

Playing less then 4 is a horrible mistake.

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Originally Posted by Fatal

Cutting GSZ is a step back in my eyes. It brings consistency which is power of this deck, you can run, a lot of single creatures toolbox and fetch them in important moments. I think it's bad direction. Abolisher is nice but it more fits to D&T than Maverick.

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Yes i know which i discussed with my teammates that without GSZ i'll be loosing the toolbox , if you at my list which i feel is consistent and fits our meta, the biggest card i'll be loosing is eternal witness, look at my original creature configuration.

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Creatures [23]
3 mother of runes
3 noble hierarch
1 birds of paradise
3 qasali pridemage
2 tarmogoyf
2 scryb ranger
3 stoneforge mystic
3 knight of the reliquary
2 mirran crusader
1 eternal witness

and

3 GsZ

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i know gsz is really good i had no problems with it, but with abolisher your creatures are more dangerous than ever and you can safely equip and attack without the fear of tempo loss which is very common in our deck against zoo or decks which packs tons of removal, assuming there is no mother in play.

i've gone over and over my creature base list before i decided to cut gsz and add the key creatures which i felt is really need in our meta. hands down the utility of eternal witness will be very much missed as it has won me lots of games crippling my opponents lands or removing his creatures again and again. same goes for pridemage which is the most common target i feel for my gsz.

at first it really felt like its a wrong move but i hope you gw players might give abolisher a shot before shooting it down.

@Mr.Dieth
In my original list i run 3 gsz only i felt 4 was too much and is a dead card early on as you need to develop mana 1st and again "what are the key creatures" that gsz will fetch , i bet most of you guys gsz for pridemage, e.wtiness/kotr or scryb ranger

Really really depends against what I play, but there are a lot of times I fetch for my arbor. And terravore/knight are also big targets.

I do agree on testing the abolisher, and I will give him a spin. But I strongly disagree cutting the zenith for him.

Zenith also has a added advantage ( somewhat less noticable ) that late game You draw more threats/creature's. Because you shuffle it back. So you get better topdecks! Something I really like about this deck. It topdecks well ( Lol.. ).

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Originally Posted by _erbs_

Hello,
How's your testing without aven and what would did you replaced it with.

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I took out an AM for a Scavenging Ooze a few weeks ago, and it has been amazing. Then, a few days ago I replaced the remaining two AM's with a mainboard Teeg and a Mirran Crusader. I only tested againt NO Rug so far with them (where AM should shine), but my win percentage has actually gone up. Teeg is obviously an awesome GSZ target, and the Crusader is just so good with equipment that I want to play another, and pro-goyf is pretty sick, too.

On replacing GSZ, I can not support this at all. Like I've been saying for some time, the consistency of this deck is what makes it so good. GSZ is a huge reason as to why this deck is so consistent. It rounds out our mana curve perfectly, allowing us to play a business spell on virtually every turn.

_erbs_, you say that GSZ is a dead card early on when you need to develop mana. This is far from the truth. T1, GSZ gets you dryad arbor, allowing you to hit a 3-drop turn 2. On T2 you can GSZ for a Hierarch. GSZ helps to ramp in the early game, search for utility in the mid game, and search for finishers in the late game. It really does make the deck so much more consistent at all parts of the game.

So, Edric, Spymaster of Trest really seems apealing to me. I think for one slot, you get quite a potent draw engine, as at least in my list, I'm running 5 creatures with evasion (not counting Swords protection or Mother activations). Also blue seems supportable, at least such a light splash.

Also, I replaced SoFaI with SoLaS, cause, as already mentioned in this thread, SoLaS also represents a nice secondary engine if you're running like 50% creatures.

The SB is geared towards my meta, which is rather dredge/affinity heavy, and also drifting towards more aggro lately.

Enjoy + Discuss.

// Lands
3 [R] Savannah
3 [TE] Wasteland
3 [FUT] Horizon Canopy
2 [SHM] Forest (4)
1 [PT] Plains (1)
1 [FUT] Dryad Arbor
1 [LG] Karakas
1 [US] Gaea's Cradle
4 [ON] Windswept Heath
2 [ON] Wooded Foothills
1 [R] Tropical Island

// Creatures
1 [FD] Eternal Witness
1 [MBS] Thrun, the Last Troll
3 [FUT] Aven Mindcensor
4 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
2 [TSP] Scryb Ranger
4 [UL] Mother of Runes
1 [COM] Scavenging Ooze
4 [CFX] Knight of the Reliquary
2 [ARB] Qasali Pridemage
4 [CFX] Noble Hierarch
1 [COM] Edric, Spymaster of Trest

// Spells
1 [NPH] Batterskull
1 [BOK] Umezawa's Jitte
1 [DS] Sword of Light and Shadow
4 [MBS] Green Sun's Zenith
4 [R] Swords to Plowshares

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
SB: 3 [TSB] Tormod's Crypt
SB: 3 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 2 [LRW] Gaddock Teeg
SB: 1 [ARB] Dauntless Escort
SB: 3 [CFX] Path to Exile
SB: 1 [NPH] Phyrexian Metamorph
SB: 1 [DIS] Trygon Predator

Hi, thanks for the great primer, i have some questions about my deck, please give me a little help:

4 Windswept Heath
4 Savannah
3 Misty Rainforest
3 Wasteland
2 Forest
1 Maze of Ith
1 Karakas
1 Plains
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Gaea's Cradle

(21 Lands)


4 Mother of Runes
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Noble Hierarch
3 Qasali Pridemage
3 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Quirion Ranger
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Tarmogoyf
1 Progenitus

(23 Creatures)

4 Gren Sun's Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Natural Order
2 Sylvan Library
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Sword of Fire and Ice

(16 Other spells)

Sideboard:

1 Bojuka Bog
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Wheel of Sun ad Moon
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Angel's Grace
2 Chocke
1 Thrun, the last Troll
1 Rhox War Monk
2 Krosan Grip
2 Enlightened Tutor

(15 Sideboard cards)

1º - Gaea's Cradle is really necessary??? i play it because a friend recommend
2º - 3 Misty Rainforest or 3 Horizon Canopy???
3º - I want to play Mental Misstep, what cards I have to put out???
4º - This deck have future in Legacy???

1.) Sure, important for using equipment faster and double equipping twice a turn, also allows to vomit your hand onto the board.

2.) I'd prefer the canopies, helps against flooding in the midgame.

3.) The people who play it usually cut Mother of Runes for it afaik.

4.) Sure :) (well only time will tell, but you can run lots of MD configurations thanks to the flexibility GSZ offers, so you can adapt to a lot of metashifts and trends)

Thanks Philipp2293, if you have any sugestion, commentary about Main Deck, please tell me! :)

What do you think about this guy?

Angus Mackenzie
Legendary Creature - Human Cleric 2/2, WUG
{G}{W}{U}, {T}: Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn. Activate this ability only before the combat damage step.

It can be fetched with Zenith, should be gg vs. Folk and Dredge G1 and is a solution to Progenitus. It also does a lot in the Zenith/Mystic mirror, especially when protected with Mother of Runes.

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Originally Posted by Tao

What do you think about this guy?

Angus Mackenzie
Legendary Creature - Human Cleric 2/2, WUG
{G}{W}{U}, {T}: Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn. Activate this ability only before the combat damage step.

It can be fetched with Zenith, should be gg vs. Folk and Dredge G1 and is a solution to Progenitus. It also does a lot in the Zenith/Mystic mirror, especially when protected with Mother of Runes.

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Its a good tech card but i feel the activation cost is too costly and the color requirements is very heavy without the proper mana or mana dork in play its a dead card. Maybe it would be perfect for a NO progen bant deck rather in the mav shell.

Hey all,

Lurker here. Just registered to get some advice on tuning this deck to tackle a mostly NA meta flooded with U/W Stoneblade decks. I originally started with a D&T Vial list and enjoyed it, evolving it into a G/W Taxes list and then got turned on to Maverick after some suggestions from players and seeing the results this deck has been having overseas.

I'm looking for some help on tuning the deck against the major players, U/W variants, Hive Mind, Fish, Dredge and NO Rug that I see frequently.

I don't have my list/cards in front of me atm, but here's the basis of what I'm working with. I'm undecided on the sideboard at the moment, so I've just thrown some cards I'm thinking on including in there. I'm leaning towards the Enlightened Tutor package, but I'm hesitant due to Mental Misstep. Opinions?

4 Windswept Heath
4 Wasteland
4 Savannah
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Bojuka Bog
2 Forest
2 Plains
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith

3 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Noble Hierarch / Birds of Paradise?
3 Mother of Runes
3 Aven Mindcensor
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Eternal Witness
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Quirion Ranger
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Scavenging Ooze

4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Sylvan Library

1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of War and Peace

SIDEBOARD
Choke
Thorn of Amethyst
Tormod's Crypt / Wheel of Sun and Moon
Path to Exile
Krosan Grip
Enlightened Tutor
Angel's Grace
Umezawa's Jitte
Sword of Fire and Ice
Sword of Feast and Famine
Manriki Gusari

I'm fairly certain I need to bump the Knights to 4. I haven't been having much luck with Mindcensors, but I've read the other forum topic and understand their utility. I'm wondering if a split of Hierarch and Birds might be a good plan, just to assist in tackling Hive Mind. Angel's Grace seems like an auto include for the board as well. SoLS has been great in getting back anything countered by blue and Eternal Witness has been a star when she hits that I'm wondering if running 2 might be a good idea? Also, thinking on running 3 Pridemages, but if I bump Witness to 2of, then it'd just be easier to get it back from the yard for a recast.

Anyways, any help or thoughts would be great. No one plays G/W here and I'm not really sure why. The amount of counter magic is certainly a deterrent, but I think we can generally force through it to respond to what's on the board before it's to late.

@ BrazenSix -
I would suggest to add blue for Daze, Mental Misstep, Brainstorm, and Vendilion Clique. As apocryphal as that sounds in this thread, Bant has a much better matchup against those matchups you are concerned about than strictly GW alone. You still get to run most of the same cards.

Moreover, those matchup you listed don't require an equipment package to beat, so that can be downgraded to taking up only 4 slots (2 SFM, Jitte, Jitte/Batterskull) giving you more room for cards that will perform better against control and combo. In your list, I would run 1 more Pridemage too.

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What do you think about this guy?

Angus Mackenzie
Legendary Creature - Human Cleric 2/2, WUG
{G}{W}{U}, {T}: Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn. Activate this ability only before the combat damage step.

It can be fetched with Zenith, should be gg vs. Folk and Dredge G1 and is a solution to Progenitus. It also does a lot in the Zenith/Mystic mirror, especially when protected with Mother of Runes.

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Dawnstrider is another good choice, and less demanding in mana cost (altho card loss can be an issue too).

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Originally Posted by rukcus

@ BrazenSix -
I would suggest to add blue for Daze, Mental Misstep, Brainstorm, and Vendilion Clique. As apocryphal as that sounds in this thread, Bant has a much better matchup against those matchups you are concerned about than strictly GW alone. You still get to run most of the same cards.

Moreover, those matchup you listed don't require an equipment package to beat, so that can be downgraded to taking up only 4 slots (2 SFM, Jitte, Jitte/Batterskull) giving you more room for cards that will perform better against control and combo. In your list, I would run 1 more Pridemage too.

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Looks like the deck win the Grand Prix Providence!

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Originally Posted by mooN_MTG

Looks like the deck win the Grand Prix Providence!

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Probably a good chance as to why it won. Maverick shines in metagames dominated by aggro and aggro control. It doesn't do so well in metagames filled with Combo and dedicated Control (think Jaces + FoW). Against the latter decks, interacting on the Stack is more important than having control over combat (via equipment). Against Combo, the equipment just slows you down, and against control you have a difficult time maintaining creatures to equip. Against both these matchups, Vendilion Clique provides a huge tempo gain in both having Flash, and the opportunity to mess with your opponent's hand.

Against such metagames that include NO RUG, Hive Mind, and Stoneblade - you're better off playing Bant varieties than Maverick.

But honestly .. That isn't maverick anymore.. If you go so deep into blue, then you'r playing Bant.. And if you want to adjust maverick to look more bantish for your meta.. You'r just picking the wrong deck..

Yeah, it was never totally my intention to want to splash heavy into Blue and then you're right... it ceases being Maverick and goes towards the realm of Bant. I was just wondering if there was a way to tweak our toolbox to give it a better outcome against the matchups previously mentioned. I'm wondering if a more vial oriented deck would be better suited in tackling it. I mean, Bant gives you the ability to fight the counter war but you can play around them with the vials. The problem I found this, if that there's about a 95% chance that anything you do end up hard casting is going to get countered (mainly StP). Vial builds with no GSZ just seemed way to inconsistant. :(

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Originally Posted by BrazenSix

Yeah, it was never totally my intention to want to splash heavy into Blue and then you're right... it ceases being Maverick and goes towards the realm of Bant. I was just wondering if there was a way to tweak our toolbox to give it a better outcome against the matchups previously mentioned. I'm wondering if a more vial oriented deck would be better suited in tackling it. I mean, Bant gives you the ability to fight the counter war but you can play around them with the vials. The problem I found this, if that there's about a 95% chance that anything you do end up hard casting is going to get countered (mainly StP). Vial builds with no GSZ just seemed way to inconsistant. :(

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I am aware that Bant is not Maverick. I explained that Maverick is not the best choice for the metagame you described you are preparing for. AEther Vial won't help against such a metagame either.

So I won my local Legacy tournament yesterday. The field wasn't as big due to people going to Gen Con. It only went to 3 rounds.
My Deck:

//Lands
4x Savannah
4x Windswept Heath
3x Wasteland
3x Horizon Canopy
1x Plains
1x Forest
1x Gaea's Cradle
1x Treetop Village
1x Maze of Ith
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Karakas

//Creatures
4x Knight of the Reliquary
4x Stoneforge Mystic
4x Qasali Pridemage
4x Noble Hierarch
3x Mother of Runes
2x Eternal Witness
2x Scryb Ranger
1x Terravore
1x Thrun, the Last Troll
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Rhox War Monk

//Spells
4x Green Sun's Zenith
4x Swords to Plowshares
1x Sword of Light and Shadow
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Batterskull
1x Umezawa's Jitte

//Sideboard
3x Gaddock Teeg
3x Enlightened Tutor
3x Krosan Grip
2x Phyrexian Revoker
1x Tormod's Crypt
1x Wheel of Sun and Moon
1x Ethersworn Canonist
1x Bojuka Bog


My results:
2-1 vs Jacestill

2-1 vs Tezzeret Affinity

2-0 vs Food Chain Elves

Went 3-0 in matches and won.
2nd place was a Team America deck, not sure what came in third.

Maindeck looks really good. Were that many equipments the right call though?

On another note, I need some input on the SB:

So far I have settled on:

3 Krosan Grip
3 Path to Exile
3 Tormods Crypt
1 Bojuka Bog
2 Gaddock Teeg
1 Tower of the Magistrate

Which leaves me with 2 open slots. In meta there are currently lots of dredge and affinity decks, with merfolk and goblins also being quite popular. Combo is underplayed, as well a Zoo (strange enough), and there are only some control decks (mostly blade control variants). Any suggestions?

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Originally Posted by Philipp2293

Maindeck looks really good. Were that many equipments the right call though?

On another note, I need some input on the SB:

So far I have settled on:

3 Krosan Grip
3 Path to Exile
3 Tormods Crypt
1 Bojuka Bog
2 Gaddock Teeg
1 Tower of the Magistrate

Which leaves me with 2 open slots. In meta there are currently lots of dredge and affinity decks, with merfolk and goblins also being quite popular. Combo is underplayed, as well a Zoo (strange enough), and there are only some control decks (mostly blade control variants). Any suggestions?

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Really, I only used the SoLS and Jitte.
SoFI/Batterskull were situational and not the "go to" equipment.
I've been debating removing SoFI but I'm not sure what to replace it with, as it can be a nice card draw against control.

As for your side board, Wheel of Sun and Moon is great vs dredge.
Vexing Shusher wouldn't be bad if your concern is counters.
Nature's Claim could work against affinity, or if you want to, and don't run it already, Tarmogoyf wouldn't be bad vs dredge.
Posting your Maindeck wouldn't be a bad idea

// Lands
4 [R] Savannah
3 [TE] Wasteland
3 [FUT] Horizon Canopy
2 [SHM] Forest (4)
1 [PT] Plains (1)
1 [FUT] Dryad Arbor
1 [LG] Karakas
1 [US] Gaea's Cradle
4 [ON] Windswept Heath
2 [ON] Wooded Foothills

// Creatures
1 [FD] Eternal Witness
3 [FUT] Aven Mindcensor
4 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
2 [TSP] Scryb Ranger
4 [UL] Mother of Runes
1 [COM] Scavenging Ooze
4 [CFX] Knight of the Reliquary
3 [ARB] Qasali Pridemage
4 [CFX] Noble Hierarch
1 Terravore

What I currently run. Also, I think I have Dredge and Affinity covered just fine between MD and SB hate.

Shusher is an interesting idea, but not sure how long he would survive. I thought maybe 2 Sylvan Libraries or 2Phyrexian Revokers, thoughts on that?

Sylvan Library is a good choice against control, it gives you something to do with all the extra life gain from your eqiupment, and you're able to hide threats until you absolutely need to cast them (such as against Hymn/Discard and Clique)

You could also consider Choke to punish U/x control and Merfolk alike.

Thanks for your input, I appreciate that.

I recently cut Choke from my SB cause I never was too satisfied with it, and control is retreating ATM in my meta.

For my next tournament, I might test the 2 libraries and report back.

Anybody running Mental Missteps MD or SB wants to share their current experiences?

Hey everyone, I finally settled on a list that i like after testing for over a month.


3x Savannah
4x Windswept Heath
2x Verdant Catacombs
1x Arid Mesa
3x Wasteland
2x Horizon Canopy
1x Plains
2x Forest
1x Gaea's Cradle
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Karakas

4x Knight of the Reliquary
3x Stoneforge Mystic
3x Qasali Pridemage
4x Noble Hierarch
4x Mother of Runes
2x Mirran Crusader
1x Birds of Paradise
1x Eternal Witness
1x Scryb Ranger
1x Terravore
1x Thrun, the Last Troll
1x Scavenging Ooze

2x Sylvan Library
4x Green Sun's Zenith
4x Swords to Plowshares
1x Sword of Feast and Famine
1x Batterskull
1x Umezawa's Jitte


Mother of Runes is awesome. I don't really understand why people are cutting them for Missteps. There are creatures in the deck that if they stick around, you win the game. Mom helps to do this, and, along with GSZ and Hierarchs, basically ensures some turn 1 action on our side.

Scavenging Ooze is really good, especially at the the 2-drop slot. I've won many games with just an Ooze out, facing 2-3 Goyfs. The life gain is nothing to laugh at, either.

Mirran Crusader has been much better than Mindscensor, even against NO Rug. Protection from Goyf/Germ token is just an awesome ability. Also, doublestrike with equipment is usually gg, no matter what equipment it is. Its protection is a little redundant with SoFF, but whatever.

SoFF is aactually performing very well. The colors are very good (goyfs/germ tokens/knights/etc.) and the abilities are much better than I initially thought. The untapping the lands allows us much more freedom with equipping and such, and playing two bombs on a turn is awesome. I've only also tried SoBM, and SoFF is muc better. Haven't gotten around to trying SoFI/SoLS yet because I love SoFF too much right now.

Sylvan Library is phenomenal, period. The extra draw/card selection is amazing, and helps us dig to find the removal or Choke or KGrip that we need. With a Cradle out, it allows us to draw multiple bombs and cast them both on one turn.

Terravore is good in the Knight mirrors, but I'm not sure if I'm sold on him yet. I side him out a lot.

Agreed on Mother of runes and Scavenging Ooze. Fantastic ones. But in my current list I managed to play both, Mother and Mental Misstep. Its more blue splashed then a regular lists. Brainstorms help me a lot in late games, and do all other things Brainstorms usually do :smile:
And also I love Sower of Temptation in SB.

4 Windswept Heath
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Horizon Canopy
3 Savannah
2 Tropical Island
2 Tundra
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Maze of Ith
1 Tower of the Magistrate
4 Wasteland
1 Karakas

3 Noble Hierarch
1 Birds of Paradise
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Aven Mindcensor
2 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Trygon Predator
1 Qasali Pridemage
3 Mother of Runes
1 Scavenging Ooze
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Mental Misstep
2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
2 Sylvan Library
3 Brainstorms
2 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Umezawas Jitte

Tower of the Magistrate - used to be Gaea's Cradle, I test Tower.
Scavenging Ooze - BTW I cut Terravore to play this.
Sword of Light and Shadow - should be Butterskull, but I don't have it. Before I used it to return Qasali, now with Predators there is no need.

My greatest problems are with decks that can return their Wastelands(Loam, Crucible). I have 0 basic lands. But there aren't many of those decks now.

@Ajsmirnov

Not running Scryb Ranger is mistake in my eyes, it helps fight vs opposite wastelands, great working with Mom/KotR/hierarch/bop and gives equipped dudes pseudo-vigilance. I would find place in one trygon predator. Also why only 2 GSZ its bomb.

Ok, I have for all of you nice tech:

Card vs controls using Ancestral Visions - Riftsweeper - great card under GSZ with CMC 2. It stops suspended cards.

Yes, we used this in Time Spiral block constructed )

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Originally Posted by TossUsToLions

Hey everyone, I finally settled on a list that i like after testing for over a month.


3x Savannah
4x Windswept Heath
2x Verdant Catacombs
1x Arid Mesa
3x Wasteland
2x Horizon Canopy
1x Plains
2x Forest
1x Gaea's Cradle
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Karakas

4x Knight of the Reliquary
3x Stoneforge Mystic
3x Qasali Pridemage
4x Noble Hierarch
4x Mother of Runes
2x Mirran Crusader
1x Birds of Paradise
1x Eternal Witness
1x Scryb Ranger
1x Terravore
1x Thrun, the Last Troll
1x Scavenging Ooze

2x Sylvan Library
4x Green Sun's Zenith
4x Swords to Plowshares
1x Sword of Feast and Famine
1x Batterskull
1x Umezawa's Jitte


Mother of Runes is awesome. I don't really understand why people are cutting them for Missteps. There are creatures in the deck that if they stick around, you win the game. Mom helps to do this, and, along with GSZ and Hierarchs, basically ensures some turn 1 action on our side.

Scavenging Ooze is really good, especially at the the 2-drop slot. I've won many games with just an Ooze out, facing 2-3 Goyfs. The life gain is nothing to laugh at, either.

Mirran Crusader has been much better than Mindscensor, even against NO Rug. Protection from Goyf/Germ token is just an awesome ability. Also, doublestrike with equipment is usually gg, no matter what equipment it is. Its protection is a little redundant with SoFF, but whatever.

SoFF is aactually performing very well. The colors are very good (goyfs/germ tokens/knights/etc.) and the abilities are much better than I initially thought. The untapping the lands allows us much more freedom with equipping and such, and playing two bombs on a turn is awesome. I've only also tried SoBM, and SoFF is muc better. Haven't gotten around to trying SoFI/SoLS yet because I love SoFF too much right now.

Sylvan Library is phenomenal, period. The extra draw/card selection is amazing, and helps us dig to find the removal or Choke or KGrip that we need. With a Cradle out, it allows us to draw multiple bombs and cast them both on one turn.

Terravore is good in the Knight mirrors, but I'm not sure if I'm sold on him yet. I side him out a lot.

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Hello,
Your deck is almost identical to my original build. For reference here is it.

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Lands [21]
1 dryad arbor
1 karakas
1 gaes cradle
2 plains
2 forest
4 wasteland
4 savannah
4 windswept heath
1 misty rainforest
1 flooded strand

Creatures [23]
3 noble hiearch
1 birds of paradise
3 mother of runes
2 scryb ranger
3 stoneforge mystic
3 qasali pridemage
2 tarmogoyf
3 mirran cursader
3 knight of the reliquary

Spells [16]
2 elspeth, knight errant
4 swords to plowshares
2 oblivion ring
2 sylvan library
3 gsz
1 jitte
1 batterskull
1 sofi

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Was wondering don't you feel abit short on removals ? I used to have e.witness but later on i felt mirran provided a bigger use over witness. I wanted to remove the oblivion ring in my main but i don't know what to fit in those slots. As for thrun, i prefer elspeth over thurn, i know it can be gsz'd and is a bad dude when he is carrying jitte, but i felt elspeth is much useful.

Isn't 4 mother of runes too much ? What's your SB list by the way ?

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Was wondering don't you feel abit short on removals ? I used to have e.witness but later on i felt mirran provided a bigger use over witness. I wanted to remove the oblivion ring in my main but i don't know what to fit in those slots. As for thrun, i prefer elspeth over thurn, i know it can be gsz'd and is a bad dude when he is carrying jitte, but i felt elspeth is much useful.

Isn't 4 mother of runes too much ? What's your SB list by the way ?

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I don't feel short on removal because I have Paths in the board and Ooze to deal with Goyfs. There aren't really too many creatures that I am afraid of, except for Proggy (which is why I am thinking of replacing the Terravore with a Mr. Teeg). Witness is a necessity in the deck, I think. I never side her out. She is just too good. A tutorable creature that recurs equipment or removal is just too good to pass up. Elspeth is good, but Thrun literally wins games on his own. If you naturally draw it against Stoneblade, you pretty much win the game. it is also good against other decks, like RUG and Zoo.

4 Moms does not feel like too much at all. I don't think I've lost a game yet when I've gotten multiple out onto the battlefield. Also, you want to see her every single game, except against combo where you can side her out.

Right now my SB looks like:
1x Teeg (Will become Elsepth if I put Teeg in the board)
1x Loaming Shaman (Good in Knight mirrors and gy dependent decks)
2x Krosan Grip (Batterskull what? I kinda want another one)
3x Choke (blowout against control decks)
3x Dueling Grounds (Amazing against Folk, Gobbos, Affinity, etc.)
2x Path to Exile (I bring this in against almost everything)
1x Tormod's Crypt
1x Bojuka Bog
1x Ravenous Trap (I like varying my grave hate)

I would love to fit in two more Thruns in the board as that card is just a blowout against Stoneblade

@Fatal, Riftsweeper seems really cool against Visions, but may be a bit narrow. Have you tested it yet? Let us know the results if you have.

@ruckus, Dawnstrider actually seems like a reasonable card to play in the board as a one-of. Along with Teeg, it gives us some flexibility in fighting Proggy. And testing with it at all?

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@ruckus, Dawnstrider actually seems like a reasonable card to play in the board as a one-of. Along with Teeg, it gives us some flexibility in fighting Proggy. And testing with it at all?

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It's amazing against Merfolk and Dredge; unfortunately my metagame is infested with combo decks so I haven't had a need to play it just yet. It's a tier 3 SB card for me at this point. Keep in mind that it may be a better replacement for Dueling Ground because of the synergy with GSZ.

Wow, Dawnstrider is a nice suggestions, I will try that for sure :)

@Fatal.
thx you. I tested Scryb Ranger more and found place for it. It is really a great card.