Wish is not a Demonic Tutor D:
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Wish is not a Demonic Tutor D:
@KayradisQuote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Thorn of Amethyst and Cabal Therapy are also popular options, also Gaddock Teeg isn't uncommon. Expect Therapies from the decks that play Duals, and Thorns from the mono G lists. And Elves is indeed a very good matchup, silence is a house. There's really no need to spend time testing it. Just know that they'll bring in 4-8 cards that can potentially ruin your day G2/G3, and don't board out all your disruption. For the combo turn it's nice to have a Duress or Silence to protect yourself, there's just no reason to lose such an easy matchup.
Doing some testing lately and my meta is infested with discard. it's really hard to win vs
T1 inquisition
T2 hymn
T3 liliana
Our main strategy vs discard is to play artifact mana and sit for a tutor. But that's not really an option against liliana.
what's the best sideboard card vs discard? I was thinking leyline of sanctity ( also has the potential to shutdown other decks like the mirror match ).
Problem is: your ad nauseam gets a lot worse, but i think the correct play vs discard is to play an early ETW. Still i'm hoping there's a card that fits better in TES
Any thoughts?
The issue was discussed several times and is adressed in the reports you can find in my signature. The Solution to discard heavy matchups is Past in Flames and SilenceQuote:
Originally Posted by s0205659
Leyline is nonsense. It Deals 4 damage to you off Ad Nauseam forces you to ugly mulligans and does nothing in the mirror
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Originally Posted by Lemnear
It does nothing in the mirror?
- they can't tendrils you
- they can't duress, cabal therapy, gitaxian probe you and hence can't go off safely. A simple silence wins the game here.
*As i said before, it's just a mere example. It's good in the mirror, but also against burn, other combo decks and all discarding decks.
*As for the ad nauseam: please read my post. In this matchup i want to combo off into ETW, not in tendrils.
*Past in flames might be good enough against targeted discard spells, but just isn't good enough against recurring discard like liliana ( which all discard decks play ). Once it sticks, it's very hard to get to the 4-5 mana needed, especially if your lands get wasted.
*Silence also isn't the best choice here. Most G2 they start the game, open with inquisition, take a needed piece to start going off. silencing them on their second turn doesn't matter that much if you can't go off the next turn.
Who cares about Tendrils? Cast Ad Nauseam into EtW and play Silence in their upkeep. You can still probe yourself or use Silence to prevent theirs trying to interrupt your Combo turn. I don't comment the idea of boarding Therapies over Xantids against Leyline.Quote:
Originally Posted by s0205659
- The "other" current Legacy Combo decks are S&T variants or reanimator-style, Leyline does nothing here. Burn.dec isn't a real issue by it's nature.
- Sorry, I won through a Liliana in topdeck Mode in a Jund matchup and have at least an idea how this situation can be adressed. I don't think it's THAT bad. This matchups is only a problem if you keep ugly hands. Artificial situations like IoK, Hymn, Liliana then Wastelanding without you being able to Silence-Walk or Combo off during 3 fucking turns isn't a very common setting in a real game.
- We have 2 Jund playing regulars at our tournament series which I played often so far. I wrote about keeping sketchy hands like U.Sea, 2 Rituals, LED, Infernal and then wondering why you loose to Inquisition Turn 1. Silence is still a thing preventing Hymn/Liliana and giving you another turn. You can read all about that in my reports.
PiF is a house vs Liliana decks. Sure sometimes they get the nutters and they win, but you cant really beat the nutters disruption hands. I have had my Jund opponents have the T1 Seize, T2 Hymn, T3 Liliana, 4 times, and I am 3-1 in those games. You simply wish for a PiF and just sit on it. Every top decked mana source gets discarded to Liliana, and then you activate LEDs and Rape your opponent. It is difficult, but it is more than possible to fight through.
Played against BUG today just for shits and giggles....Well, played is a pretty big term since I went off turn 2/3 every game.
Damn. I love that deck!
Anybody playing the deck this weekend at SCG Seattle? Im watching the stream hoping to see someone wrack their opponent's day with a steady T2/3 kill.
Depends which BUG you played against... Shardless? Ive found Bug Delver to be annoying as shit.
BUG Control.
Based of the fact that I didn't see any creature makes me believe so.
Still, Im gonna keep working on the deck. Ill let you know my progress.
What about Deathrite Shaman?Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Looks like nothing remotely playable for us (or any Legacy deck for that matter) in Dragon's Maze. A little disappointing I suppose.
Too be honest, it would be rather suprising to find anything for Storm-Combo in a 5/6/7cc-creature-themed-expansion.Quote:
Originally Posted by thefringthing
@folks: HotS Vol.3 was delayed for a few days while being originally announced for the past Weekend. Had to spend time with my new, stunning beautiful GF :DD
Boobs > Magic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Unfortunate but true.
Goldfishing is fun :P
Ripped UG Sea, Petal, LED, LED, Infernal => T1 AdN with B in pool at full HP. About 8 drawn cards would've scored a lethal Tendrils but hey, this deck can showboat, or so I've heard...
So we'll draw more cards! Hm, Petal, Silence just in case. Then some (4) rituals, another LED, Infernal for Wish for Past in Flames, uh...
ETW @ 34? Nice. But we can do more.
ETW @ 46! Goblin population totals is 160 :D
Seasoned with Grapeshot for 47. With 1 black mana floating. My foresight was not enough to grab Therapy for more Goblins and burnination.
IGG for LED, LED, LED feels filthy.
DRS can cause problems, but if it comes down after Liliana it is a bit slow. And if they have the nutters like that then GG, but how often will that actually happen? Probably less than the amount of time that you blow your load on their face on turn 1. Sometimes your opponent just has all of the answers. You cant worry about everything. If you are worried about that then you wouldnt be playing this deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by jin
Was that necessary?Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Very. If it isnt vulgar, it isnt fun. Also Im like a 12 year old. I like cursing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Star|Scream
What I meant was, if you Wish too early, they can change their game plan and just get you with Deathrite Shaman. Or they might not have the back to back discard and just held back the Deathrite Shaman in fear of dying first turn. In which case, your Wish target might have been a poor choice...Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
I usually wait until the last possible moment to wish. If it is turn 4 and they have shredded my hand a bit, They have an active Liliana and I draw LED for my turn, Ill play out my LED and wish for PiF. If they play DRS then Oh well I suppose. Maybe it isnt the right play, but I haven't lost with this line of play before (though I did sack into a win before) and I probably would do it again if it comes up. Like I said, sometimes they just get all of the hate and you just cannot win. That is the risk that you run.