[Deck] GW/x Maverick

IMO you guys shouldn't write off loyal retainers combo. I played it in the past with Iona and it was a dangerous package. Also its not really that clunky. If you draw retainers, it can be used to Reanimate teeq/thalia if needed. Iona can also be hardcasted with a cradle easily if drawn.

However I played the vial version without any equips so the combo is much easier to pull off and absolutely bonkers. Not sure how efficient it is without vials. I basically cut 3 Heirarch and a silver bullet to fit in the vials. Fauna package replaces sfm package and we are good to go.

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Originally Posted by menace13

Gideon isn't that bad. I have seen a few Japanese top 8 lists use him as a 1 of. Also while we are on oddities of Maverick listings, Gavony Township, Garruk and Mortapod are interesting inclusions. Link if anyone wants to take a look: http://amclegacy.sakura.ne.jp/index_e.html

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Gavony Township actually seems like it might be incredibly powerful in the mirror.

Garruk Relentless otoh has been crap every time I tested it or saw it in action. I have never actually seen it win a game. Maybe that's just me.

Primal Hunter, though...

Anyway, yeah, I'm not calling Gideon crap, it's a decent enough card. It's just that the logic that says, hey, let's give Gideon a look in this deck, and then turns around and calls Parallax Wave "cute" is... baffling to me. I guess it shouldn't be though. I doubt a lot of people have seen Parallax Wave hit play these days.

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Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin

Gavony Township actually seems like it might be incredibly powerful in the mirror.

Garruk Relentless otoh has been crap every time I tested it or saw it in action. I have never actually seen it win a game. Maybe that's just me.

Primal Hunter, though...

Anyway, yeah, I'm not calling Gideon crap, it's a decent enough card. It's just that the logic that says, hey, let's give Gideon a look in this deck, and then turns around and calls Parallax Wave "cute" is... baffling to me. I guess it shouldn't be though. I doubt a lot of people have seen Parallax Wave hit play these days.

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Heh, I have never played with Parallax Wave despite owning it. Parallax is a good card though. It can keep the board clear of 2-3 creatures for 2-3 turns. It is almost a one-sided sweeper, which in an aggro mirror has to be crippling. Mom can't respond enough times to the ability leaving SoLaS as the only way to defend from the point and click. The Exile Triggers on Stack then destroy it with Pridemage should work the same way as Oblivion Ring allowing priority to stack exile triggers on opposing Pridemages and whatever else to permanently exile if responded to with the destroy ability? This would turn it into a 2 card I Win combo. The only thing they can do is remove your Pridemage or they have SoLaS equipped or Mom+Qasali along with 3rd creature to save.

Gavony does seem legit in the grindy mirror. Mortapod piqued my interests with its functionality for not only mirrors, but against unflipped Delver, Bob, and Grim. Gideon forces Mom and KotR to either swing or tap allowing for a few tricks to Block/out race/StP or have Gideon Assassinate.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone looked at Knotvine Paladin or Jenara, Asura of War? I run the striaght G/W version.


2 Knotvine could be cool beaters especially with Moms and Hierarchs out. Mom and Sword of X and X can help him get through. If all you have out is Knotvine with say a Mom and a Hierarch he gets +3/+3 and then mom can give him proection from being blocked. I checked with a Judge and that is doable. that's a 5/5 attacking on turn 3. getting him through for 5-9 damage a turn also leaves KotR, Ooz back for defense if needed while still getting in for good damage. If you run Batterskull it also has great synergy with the Paladin. Just a thought


With Jenara I sometimes find myself wanting decent sized Flyer out. She gives is something to do with extra mana, is searchable with Zenith and running 4 Hierarchs alows us to cast her fairly easily. I'm talking about her as a one of as opposed to some other one of creature. Again just a thought.


Let me know what you guys think.

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Originally Posted by The Colonel

Just out of curiosity, has anyone looked at Knotvine Paladin or Jenara, Asura of War?

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What makes them better than any other creature in a common Maverick list?

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Originally Posted by Bierbaron

What makes them better than any other creature in a common Maverick list?

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Especially considering they were never even Standard playable. I can't imagine what you would take out to put in sub-par cards.

Jenara is pretty bad. You have to splash blue for it, and it dies to a Lightning Bolt.
If you splash blue for a creature, play Rhox War Monk. Burn sees quite a lot of play these days, and Rhox War Monk eats them up pretty nicely.

That Paladin though is even worse. Have you noticed no one is playing Tarmogoyf in this deck? Not even a singleton. Weird, isn't it? Perhaps they don't like CMC2 vanilla beatsticks, and prefer utility instead. If you do prefer beatsticks however, you should obviously include Goyf over that Paladin you mentioned.

This is probably terrible, but while we are discussing BANT creatures, has anyone ever considered Stoic Angel? It certainly seems like it would be a must answer creature for swarm style decks.
Just a thought.

Also, has anyone tested Daybreak Ranger in GWr lists? If so, is it worth running?

Continuing along the 3rd color splash line of thinking. I'm pretty firmly entrenched with Black, just for personal preference. But I've been tinkering with a Glissa the Traitor as a GSZ target. It's actually been pretty cool.

With 3 colors, I've had good use out of an single EE. (Plus the E Tutor package in the SB). And she recovers lost equipment like a champ, or can win you the stalemate on the ground just because Death Touch/First Strike.

Not completely sold on it, because the deck space is so damn tight, and it might not be needed over something like Terravore as "KotR #5". But... she's also not GY dependent to be effective in combat, so it's something to mix up the threat base a little.

I've seen the rise of the esper deck with lingering souls in my local meta. I'm thinking of adding 1-2 powder keg in my e-tutor sideboard to shut them down. It's colorless removal, cheap to cast, tutorable and can destroy the tokens the turn it comes into play.

What do you guys think about this ?

I have tried Dueling Grounds in my eTutor toolbox, and cut it because I never encountered Goblins anyway. Stoic Angel does mostly the same thing, but costs more mana. Especially if you have to Zenith it up. I would suggest Dueling Grounds or Ghostly prison in the eTutor toolbox, or if you don;t play that perhaps add blue for Rhox War Monks to win the aggro matchup that way.

For Powder Keg: the idea is sound, but Keg is vulnerable to Spell Snare and Spell Pierce. I now have one Engineered Explosives in my eTutor toolbox, and am considering adding a second. Explosives for zero dodges the mentioned counters nicely, and if you need it for one, you don't have to wait a turn to blow it up. Also it's pretty nice against opposing Moms.

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I've seen the rise of the esper deck with lingering souls in my local meta. I'm thinking of adding 1-2 powder keg in my e-tutor sideboard to shut them down. It's colorless removal, cheap to cast, tutorable and can destroy the tokens the turn it comes into play.

What do you guys think about this ?

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E.E. is better because it avoids Spell Snare and can be set for 4 (punishing maverick) to destoy jace. It works just as fast against tokens as Powder Keg.

Haven't thought of engineered explosives, i may becoming too old :wink:

It's also better than keg because it keeps dryad arbor in play.

Knotvine and Jenara are both bad.

If anything, I would rather play a THIRD Ooze over the Knotvine, and Jenara can build up counters all day, but what it will boil down to is you attacking, them activating Knight for a Karakas and bouncing it.

I mentioned extra Oozes to Rukcus before GP Indy. Ooze is very good in the mirror and going up to 3 may be a good way to address that because it beats every creature in Maverick in combat and since many lists are running 3 to 4 Thalia(eliminating P.Fires as an answer to Ooze). KotR can even shrink down from Ooze activations as well all the while giving extra utility against Delver, Burn, and Reanimator/Dredge/Loam decks.

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Originally Posted by menace13

I mentioned extra Oozes to Rukcus before GP Indy. Ooze is very good in the mirror and going up to 3 may be a good way to address that because it beats every creature in Maverick in combat and since many lists are running 3 to 4 Thalia(eliminating P.Fires as an answer to Ooze). KotR can even shrink down from Ooze activations as well all the while giving extra utility against Delver, Burn, and Reanimator/Dredge/Loam decks.

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Best advice ever. Picked up an extra pair before the GP, only to find out that they were selling for $40 on site! *dodging bullets, bobbing & weaving & shit*

Looks like I'm going to have to go hunting for some counterpunch in my local stores to complete my set before it goes up even more.

i am not sure i am the first, but i will go on the record and say that every deck running green and creatures should be playing 4 scavenging oozes.
it is indeed the next coming of tarmogoyf.
mark it down boys.

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Originally Posted by sauce

i am not sure i am the first, but i will go on the record and say that every deck running green and creatures should be playing 4 scavenging oozes.
it is indeed the next coming of tarmogoyf.
mark it down boys.

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Not entirely sure that decks like RUG tempo can support Ooze. Or if decks like TA will want to play 4.
It is a mana intensive creature, and doesn't get bigger than an average goyf until 3 or so activations provided there are that many creatures in the GY.

Additionally, the second Ooze is significantly worse than the first Ooze. You play multiplies so that when your first Ooze dies, your second Ooze can continue. I would have a hard time seeing more than 3 in a deck. That being said, in a deck that can generate green easily and quickly, Ooze is absolutely bonkers.