Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Whippoorwill
I played TES at SCG Seattle as well to a disappointing 1-3 drop.
Round 1 vs Sneak and Show (Thea Steele)
Game 1: She mulls to 6 and I win off Empty for 12 Goblins.
Game 2: I get Griselbranded.
Game 3: She mulls to 6 and I go to 5. At one point she hardcasts Sneak Attack (using a Lotus Petal to do so) but has no mana to activate. On my turn I Chain it back to her hand (waiting til my turn to avoid Daze). A couple turns later I Empty for some Goblins. She recasts Sneak next turn and I swing with my Goblins. The following turn she has the mana to put both Griselbrand and Emrakul into play.
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Round 2 vs Bant Blade
Game 1: I Tendrils him for 20 thanks to his Force on my Silence.
Game 2: An early Empty gets him to scoop.
1-1
Round 3 vs RiP/Helm
Game 1: After a couple turns I resolve a Silence and proceed to Grapeshot him for 20.
Game 2: He gets out Ethersworn Cannonist which I end up Decaying. He later gets a Counterbalance out. I cast Lotus Petal which gets the blind flip counter. I proceed to play another Petal and 2 LEDs before casting Empty. He has 2 cards in hand and 4 lands. He Tutors at eot for RiP. I'm confused until he plays the Helm that was in his hand the next turn. I don't draw the Duress on my turn. :(
Game 3: Long story short: I stupidly cast Empty for a bunch of Goblins knowing he has a Detention Sphere in hand. Derp.
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Round 4 vs ANT
Game 1: I Probe him on the play and laugh when I see his hand. He asks if I'm playing Storm as well and I say yes. He takes off his hat and starts laughing and accidentally knocks his deck off the table. I eventually kill him with Tendrils.
Game 2: He gets there with Tendrils.
Game 3: Turn 1 Probe on the play. I follow that up with Ad Nauseum. I proceed to flip the worst Ad Nauseum I've ever cast with the deck. I think I flipped just about every 1cc non-ritual and only 2 Lotus Petals and 1 Mox for mana. All I needed was 1 of the 3 LEDs left in my deck. During the Ad Nauseum I kept going til I hit 1 even when I was at <5 life. I didn't like continuing at 2 life, but I thought the odds of drawing mana would be in my favor. I ended up Duressing him and Silencewalking him the next 2 turns just trying to survive. It worked but he eventually drew the Tendrils for the win.
1-3
After that terrible Ad Nauseum I just didn't feel like playing the deck anymore (that day).
Rd.1/G3: why you didn't board out the EtW/Wished for it against SneakShow? It's a punt
Rd.3/G3: Punt indeed
Rd4/G3: how can you cast AN + having 2 additional turns without winning here?
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
Lemnear
Rd.1/G3: why you didn't board out the EtW/Wished for it against SneakShow? It's a punt
Rd.3/G3: Punt indeed
Rd4/G3: how can you cast AN + having 2 additional turns without winning here?
R1G3: I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure I didn't have a Burning Wish and the Empty was from my hand.
R3G3: Yeah :(
R4G3: The Ad Nauseum was that bad. 2 Petals, 1 Mox, 0 Rituals, 0 Rites, 0 LEDs, 0 Wishes, 1+ Tutor. I Brainstormed after the AdN the same turn only to see 3 spells (more 1cc spells) that would have killed me if I had kept going. I couldn't use Fetchlands either for the shuffle effect the following turn due to being at 1 life. My board state when I passed the turn was Sea, Mox (Blue), 2x Petal. Ponder for my shuffle effect got me nowhere as well.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
Alright. Tonight, unless something unpredictable happens again, I'll be able to play in a small proxies allowed tournament.
Metagame is Jund, an elves players and a bunch of RUG/UR deck and the occasional Mono R Stompy.
Let's see if I can curb stomp some opponent with the list. I think I tested enough in the past 2 weeks to be ready.
Hopefully Ill post a short report tonight or tomorrow!
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
Kayradis
Alright. Tonight, unless something unpredictable happens again, I'll be able to play in a small proxies allowed tournament.
Metagame is Jund, an elves players and a bunch of RUG/UR deck and the occasional Mono R Stompy.
Let's see if I can curb stomp some opponent with the list. I think I tested enough in the past 2 weeks to be ready.
Hopefully Ill post a short report tonight or tomorrow!
Looking forward ... note starting hands!
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
I will. The only thing I dont like is the fact that I can't enjoy some refreshing drinks.
Weird story, but I proven that I play better legacy drunk. Top 8'ed a Legacy event at a GP with elves while being totally plastered from the night before... My buddy was judging this event and was standing next to me to spot my first drunk misplay. Never happenned! Lol
Alright.
I might have some free time at work. Throw me some hands and Ill say if I snap keep or mull.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
Kayradis
I will. The only thing I dont like is the fact that I can't enjoy some refreshing drinks.
Weird story, but I proven that I play better legacy drunk. Top 8'ed a Legacy event at a GP with elves while being totally plastered from the night before... My buddy was judging this event and was standing next to me to spot my first drunk misplay. Never happenned! Lol
Alright.
I might have some free time at work. Throw me some hands and Ill say if I snap keep or mull.
I have that bad habit aswell. I think it could be:
- our first thought usually is the best, and while drunk/hungover, one thought is often all our brain can afford
- Or our plays are so incredibly dumb that they are misleading having our opponents make even worse choices.
- The bluff factor becomes irrelevant
For TES a lot of these factors can be really good, or really bad and backfire on you though :)
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
Went 1-3 tonight. Being my first night playing a combo deck I was aware that i was gonna do a lot of misplay and keep sub optimal hands. Was able to T2 EtW once, did T3 kill with tendrils twice. I check my notes and write a better resume of the night.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
Kayradis
Went 1-3 tonight. Being my first night playing a combo deck I was aware that i was gonna do a lot of misplay and keep sub optimal hands. Was able to T2 EtW once, did T3 kill with tendrils twice. I check my notes and write a better resume of the night.
Anxious to hear the report nevertheless. We can also learn from others mistakes. ( if you made any)
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Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
One question:
can you, or someone else, elaborate more about siding out ETW vs Maverick and not vs Jund?
I do agree with it if they play SFM but most Maverick lists I see rather play with 2 Jitte's, without the SFM-package.
In these cases I leave in ETW since 10-14 Goblins t1/t2 is enough, the earliest Jitte becomes online ist turn 3 which is to slow.
On the other hand I did board out ETW vs Jund since they bring in some amount of Maelstrom Pulse which is fast enough to kill my goblins compared to Jitte.
Greeting Holly
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
Batterskull, and their hatebears is why ETW isn't great against Maverick. They are a creature heavy deck so every turn they can add to the board and stop a team of goblins. It's best to side in your removal/bounce against them for your maindeck disruption as you're looking to EoT kill/bounce their hate piece and go off from there. They aren't interacting with you much, if at all, as opposed to Jund. Jund has discard, Lilianna etc. that sucks the fun out of playing TES. 10-14 goblins to start the game off is usually good, as they have to have the nutters in hand to survive (ie t1 DRS into t2 Pulse). Even then you have outs from siding in your bounce/removal and extra Therapies. EtW makes flashing back therapy for hate cards way better, and you can always bounce/kill the goblin they target with Pulse to save your team. The two matchups play differently, although they're both midrange grindy beatdown decks.
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I know they're playing out quite differently.
Like you said, 10-14 goblins IS good vs Jund, my point is that it's as good against Maverick (if they don't play SFM obviously).
Obviously I'd still bring in bounce/decay for their hatebears, but they do little against ETW on t1/t2 (if they couldn't land it t2/you're on the play).
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
If you have a nutters T1 Empty hand you can always still BWish for Goblins after boarding empty out so it isn't like you lose the ability to do it vs Maverick.
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Yeah, all you're really doing by boarding out EtW vs Maverick is decreasing the odds of seeing a dead[er] card.
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I see the merit in that board plan for Maverick, but it just hasn't worked out that well for me. I've changed it up by leaving in 2-3 Silences and attempting to chantwalk them until I can go off, and also leaving in Empty to increase the odds of an early combo. It's worked very well on the play, not enough data to determine if it's good on the draw. All I know is that decay is really bad whenever I draw it - I just can't cast it most of the time if Thalia's in play, and Mother is often a problem as well. I'd just prefer to have 2 Chains and hope to tempo them out.
Also, Empty isn't that bad against Stoneforge, you just need to go off for 7+ storm if you can go off before SFM hits play. If the plan is to chantwalk them anyway, that doesn't seem like an issue.
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Honestly, I'd leave Empty in on the play, too. But to continue my honesty, I'm going to stick to what Bryant says and does before making independant decisions on the deck.
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Bryant, just watched the game one you played on 3/17/13, instructive game.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
I am debating in regards to SB at this point. The meta here is infested with combo decks. -1 Any card + 1 Flutterstorm (would bring the FS count to 2 in the SB)
Opinion?
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
Kayradis
I am debating in regards to SB at this point. The meta here is infested with combo decks. -1 Any card + 1 Flutterstorm (would bring the FS count to 2 in the SB)
Opinion?
In the past the deck has played Orim's Chant as additional silence effects in heavy tempo and combo metas. I'd look to put a Chant in the main in place of a Duress or Therapy if you're concerned about storm combo. If you're concerned about S&T, the key is to just be faster and Xantid Swarm is usually enough extra protection. If you're really really worried about S&T, I could see swapping the 3rd Abrupt Decay for the 3rd Swarm. Finally, if you're afraid of Reanimator, the deck used to play 2 Karakas in place of 2 Chain of Vapor for the (traditional) reanimator and Maverick matchups. However, there's so many Leyline of Sanctity running around that you'd probably also want to swap something for a Revoke Existence or Hull Breech in the board. Keep in mind that Karakas is only ok against Sneak & Show and is bad against TinFins.
Basically, Flusterstorm is not at all a card I would be playing because it can't protect you when you go off with LED. Silence is much better as combo disruption and protection.