[Primer/Deck] Nic Fit

I went 3-1 with just a Bug midrange deck. I have kind of bailed on Nic fit for a bit because hymn is a hell of a card.

I played against Jbone on the meadery twitch. (if I knew they would show me every week maybe I would play more explorers haha) and beat him in 2 games that were surprisingly not very close. I think he definitely had outs but drew not that great. I think my match up was pretty bad unless I stick Jace.

I played 2 painful truths and I can honestly say I think it is actually wrong to be on charm. Unless people are actually using the other modes greater than 50% of the time truths is just better. Instant speed is not a real thing in a sorcery speed tap out deck like junk/jund nic fit. We have decay/CJ along with sweepers in the form of deed and deluge. 3 mana limited removal is already a bad deal (CJ hits jace which is big game) and unless the +2 counters is really relevant (and lets be honest are they really?) it is worse. I would take the card over the instant/+2/removal aspect but that IMHO.

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Originally Posted by jbone2016

Went 3-1 with Ari's list (with a few minor tweeks). Beat d & t in 3 (grindy games as usual), goblins in 2, merfolk in 3 (kept a one land game one) and then lost to Tom play non-Vet Bug.
On the meadery's stream the last 2 matches.

I'm hoping to get some more testing tomorrow (barring my car being a giant pain)

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I want a rematch!
Really though, I wish those games were on camera because I'm pretty sure I played really poorly and want to see where I went wrong. It's like I couldn't commit to a line of play and just durdled until you got the Deed G2. Regardless, I think I should have been attacking more. Baneslayer kept me form attacking profitably because of lifelink so i really needed to focus on killing it so I could start turning my guys sideways.

So I''m taking Scapewish (again) to a tournament this Sunday. I have a few reservations though- I'm worried there's going to be a whole lot of Sneak and Show and similar stuff, which means I probably shouldn't be playing Tasigur due to the likelihood of him meeting Karakas repeatedly. This is what I'm thinking of taking:

2 Valakut
4 Taiga
4 Badlands
1 Stomping Ground
1 Blood Crypt
2 Bayou
2 Mountain
3 Forest
1 Swamp
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Kessig Wolf Run

4 Veteran Explorer
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Burning Wish
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Scapeshift
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Dualcaster Mage
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Eternal Witness
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Thragtusk
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Tasigur, the Golden Fang (probably going to change this into something. Maybe another Deathrite, Huntmaster, or some other lategame value topdeck like Ob Nixilis, Reignited).

Sideboard:
3 Slaughter Games
3 Red Elemental Blast
1 Abrupt Decay
2 Thoughtseize
1 Scapeshift
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Innocent Blood
1 Pyroclasm
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Twinflame

(This sideboard needs Massacre I think. Might cut the Twinflame, but I like it as a backup combo that functions completely differently with regards to counters- gets past Blood Moon, Leylines, Teeg, etc. and actually goes infinite). Maybe I should move the third Abrupt Decay to the maindeck for Massacre, and drop Tasigur or something similar?

Went X-0 playing this list (testing against various Delver flavours, Miracles, BW Leylines (wtf...), ANT, and DnT.

4 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Eternal Witness
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
3 Siege Rhino
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons


16

4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Diabolic Intent
9

2 Abzan Charm
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Path to Exile

3 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
4

2 Pernicious Deed
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Recurring Nightmare
2 Sylvan Learning Center


2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Taiga
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Windswept Heath
3 Forest
2 Plains
2 Swamp
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Phyrexian Tower
22

2 Grip
2 Needle
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Golgari Charm
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
2 Slaughter Games
3 Thoughtseize
2 Ethersworn Canonist


I enjoyed the list. I tried Ari's list with Baneslayers and such, and it was slow. Powerful, but against the 4C delver variants that attack your development, you have real trouble. Stifle is a big card against us. I cut Baneslayers, Sun Titan, and Thragtusk and added back Scooze. I have fewer creatures, I agree, but they do just fine. I'd love to have the 2 Baneslayers back, but not sure what to cut again.

Intent was good again, but didn't always fire it off. Nightmare did work as it once did. Paths felt very necessary in fending off early threats (I cut Baneslayers for them), so I want to still keep them. Abzan Charms were always used to draw cards except once as removal, and once for counters. I'll be keeping them instead of Truths, for now.

Elspeth was good. Maindeck Deluge was excellent since no one expects it. I like it better than Deed many times since it is faster and you rarely care about the life loss. Sylvan won SO many games. So, so many. One was fine in testing, but before the main event, I just jammed one more and it performed very well. Many times we're sitting with lots of lands and nothing to do, or, lots of life and nothing to do. Sylvan helps to smooth the early progression and bury your opponent in cards, and the lifeloss being offset by STP on Rhino and the Rhino trigger itself is excellent. It does poo-poo with Deed, but if that's the kind of problems you have, that's a first world problem.

All in all, I want to play Baneslayer in a Legacy deck, as with Thragtusk, but leaning towards the shy end of the curve plays a little better when you don't get to live the Explorer dream.

Switch a Forest out for a Dryad Arbor. Your manabase'll be fine whilst making your Diabolic Intent so much better. You're incredibly short on stuff you'd want to feed to Intent, turning your fetches into Intent food is a wonderful thing once you hit the mid to late game. It'd allow you to maintain whatever board presence you have at that point while trading that silly land you drew for a Sylvan Library or that one sideboard card you need to obliterate your opponent :smile:.

Well, I finished dead last. 0-4. Won one game. Played in a side and went 2-2.

Your list? Let's hear what happened.

-Matt

Sorry for the poor result. What were the matchups? You did well on wed (though 3 vial decks does seem a little lucky haha) so I was hoping to see some vet on camera.

Took this pile to SCG St. Louis this last weekend:
3 Veteran Explorer
3 Deathrite Shaman
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Wall of Blossoms
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Eternal Witness
1 Sin Collector
1 Orzhov Pontiff
1 Siege Rhino
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
1 Murderous Redcap
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Thragtusk
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Shriekmaw
1 Grave Titan

3 Birthing Pod
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Recurring Nightmare

3 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy

2 Abrupt Decay

1 Savannah
2 Scrubland
3 Bayou
4 Swamp
3 Forest
2 Plains
3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Marsh Flats
2 Windswept Heath

SIDEBOARD:
3 Thoughtseize
2 Duress
1 Ethersword Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Thrun the Last Troll
1 Spirit of the Labyrinth
1 Choke
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Sylvan Library
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Krosan Grip

Went 5-4, with my losses being to Miracles twice (once being Joe Lossett), Merfolk twice, and shardless bug at the very end.
The first Merfolk loss was more due to mana issues, g1 I ended up with about all my lands in play, no action. G2 I never made it past 2 lands. The other merfolk match went better, one game had 5 rhinos, most being images, G3 went to time, he had lethal the last turn possible.
I have no idea how to play against Miracles, I haven't played in about a year, so Mentor took me by surprise.
The Shardless match I kind of just threw in the towel to go watch my buddy who was doing real well play, probably could have won it though.

All in all, I wasn't too disappointed with my performance, and I got a lot of compliments on the deck.

m building a 4 color deck for New Jersey. I still need some help tweaking it but its been doing well for now

3 veteran explorer
3 DRS
1 ooze
1 e wit
1 nissa, vastwood seer
1 reclamation sage
4 siege rhino
1 huntmaster
1 thragtusk
1 tasigur
1 dragonlord dromoka

4 gsz
4 cabal therapy
2 thoughtseize
1 senseis top
3 abrupt decay
2 pernicious deed
2 kolaghans command
1 maelstrom pulse
1 recurring nightmare
1 garruk relelntless

1 bayou
1 badlands
1 taiga
1 savannah
3 bloodstained mire
2 windwept heath
2 wooded foothills
1 kessig
1 phyrexian tower
1 volraths stronghold
3 forest
2 swamp
1 plains
1 mountain

Sideboard
1 boil
2 disfigure
1 thrun
1 obsinante baloth
1 gaddoc teeg
2 surgical
2 golgari charm
2 pyroblast
2 slaughter games
1 krosan grip

do you have any suggestions. I was thinking of taking out huntmaster for courser of kruphix, and tasigur for some other green creature so all my creatures are green sunable. as for sideboard i dont know if i have all my bases covered or should tweak it around

First, lose nightmare and one of your 3 mana removal spells for 2 more tops FOR SURE. You can debate the exact cuts but this deck needs 3-4 tops. I also am loving truths in my bug decks but YMMV.

@Krzysio: Here are my comments, for whatever it's worth.

I agree with Tom4ik, tops are crucial in my experience. Or library manipulation in some form.

Next I would be very tempted to run Carpet of Flowers in the sideboard. You're packing a ton of expensive creatures, getting them into play should be a top priority I guess and Carpet of Flowers can do just that. And on that topic, Courser seems very relevant in helping ensure land drops so that seems like a good idea.

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Your list? Let's hear what happened.

-Matt

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3 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Eternal Witness
1 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
1 Reclamation Sage
3 Siege Rhino
1 Thragtusk
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Baneslayer Angel
1 Dragonlord Dromoka
1 Sun Titan

4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Council's Judgment

2 Abzan Charm
2 Abrupt Decay

2 Sensei's Divining Top

3 Pernicious Deed
1 Recurring Nightmare

3 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Taiga
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Windswept Heath
3 Forest
2 Plains
2 Swamp
1 Karakas
1 Phyrexian Tower

//sb
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Containment Priest
2 Thoughtseize
3 Slaughter Games
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Golgari Charm
1 Dread of Night
1 Abrupt Decay
1 E. Plague.
1 Krosan Grip

Pretty sure this was the setup for the main event.
Round 1: Lost to Sneak/show. Get blow out game one. Brought in: 2x TS, 2x Priest, 2x Slaughter Games, 1 Grip, 1 charm.....keep a hand with one fetch, 2 therapy, 2 GSZ, a priest and Dromoka. Blind name a show and tell and hit. I don't draw another land until turn 4 and die quite quickly.

Round 2: Lost to Infect in 3 games. He stifles my deed to push thru with an inkmoth for lethal. I land a plague on humans and have a clock so we go to a 3rd game. I land a plague on elves but he crop rotates into a nexus and kills my thru an azban charm with a daze (which I knew about when he tried to daze my decay earlier). 2nd card down on my top was also a k grip.

Round 3: Merfolk. Actually the same guy I beat on Wed at Mead. Mull 5 game 1 and keep a 5 land.....yep. Not getting thru. I don't therapy on turn for vial.....which he has. Then drops a cage on turn 2. I'm very sad by then.

round 4: Esper Control splash red for Ajani Vegent: I get snap countered three times in a row game 1. Game 2, I flood pretty hard while he keeps up Ajani and has a Strix for my Sigarda.

In the side event, I changed the charms to 2 paths, cut a Rhino, nightmare and something else for the 3rd decay and 2 painful truths

round 1: I get steamrolled by mono-red sneak attack (which my buddy got 16th with in the main event)
Round 2: I beat BUG control with a Nissa Ultimate (I was showing off at that point). I think I won that one in 2 games.
Round 3: Lost to miracles in 3. I get game one, but mentor beats get me 2 and 3.
Round 4: Beat Leylines in 3. I die turn 3 first game. I board in TS just in case no leyline of sanc. Get Teeg out and he scoops. Game 3, I get Teeg out again....but he doesn't scoop and I don't attack with him since he has open mana. Later had a containment priest. Rhino gets there for the finish.

Props: Nissa was good again. I'm wondering if I should have a 4th basic forest just for her flipping. Painful truths was sweet in the BUG/Miracles matchup.
Slops: 23 lands/tribe elder/nissa: Feels like too many lands at times. Not convinced about the splash for games. Maybe another witness in the board for grindy matchups.

I still want to play this is Seattle but....my friends mono-red sneak attack is so shiny.....

I'll be there on Friday to convince you. Alcohol may or may not be involved.


-Matt

Mostly sounds like shitty variance. Cutting one land for a Top or Sylvan is probably okay, since those cards help make land drops. If you felt like you were heavy on 23 then we shouldn't get dicked on 22.

I play 22 and it feels good.

3 Veteran Explorer
3 Deathrite Shaman
1 Eternal Witness
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
4 Siege Rhino
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons


16

4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Diabolic Intent
9

2 Abzan Charm
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Path to Exile

2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant/Sorin LOI
4

2 Pernicious Deed
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Recurring Nightmare
2 Sylvan Learning Center


2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Taiga
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Windswept Heath
2 Forest
2 Plains
2 Swamp
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Dryad Arbor
22

2 Grip
2 Needle
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Golgari Charm
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
2 Slaughter Games
3 Thoughtseize
2 Ethersworn Canonist

Thinking about cutting the Stronghold for the Dryad and adding in another Fetch, we'll see. Love me the utility, though.

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Originally Posted by sdematt

1 Volrath's Stronghold
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1 Dryad Arbor

Thinking about cutting the Stronghold for the Dryad and adding in another Fetch, we'll see. Love me the utility, though.

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Both of them are already in there, no?

However you want to cut it, the Stronghold would go, Dryad would come in/stay in, and you add the Fetch.

-Matt

If you can't fit the Arbor in the manabase, you could always switch a DRS for a Dryad. DRS is there mostly as a lightning rod/GSZ target anyway.