Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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Diprivan
Ooh, poor boy, should I make you some cookies?
(4-2 isn't bad, what did you lose to?)
I'll take white chocolate macadamia nut
Here's a recipe: http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/white-c...ii/detail.aspx
Anyways, I lost to a show and tell hivemind deck. In game 1 I kept a potential turn 1 hand but didnt do it in fear of force, and was severly punished for it (so pseudo-punt?!) and second game i resolved some bees and he had naked hivemind, but i was not drawing business and then he slaughter pacted my bees and then pact of negationed that...
My other loss was to the show and tell/Through the breach deck, where he had lots of MD spell pierce in game 1 and threw my mana off by 1 to stop him from dying then plays emrakul. next game i keep a slow hand, he plays jace turn 3 bounces my xantid and draws an approximate "fuck-ton" of cards and i lose to emrakul.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
Hi, besides my trouble with stoneblade: FOW + Mental Misstep + Spell Pierce + Clique + Ancestral Visions
I'm now having trouble with NO rUG: FOW + Mental Misstep + Daze + Spell Pierce + Clique + heavy pressure from goyf and Progenitus
Any tips?
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Did you try discard+chants and d.grid strategy? There is really not much more you can do. We cut Swarms and Pyro to get better angle vs them, I'm trying also -1 Duress +1 Silence strategy but I'm not sold yet.
Cheers & keep testing
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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Deviruchi
Did you try discard+chants and d.grid strategy? There is really not much more you can do. We cut Swarms and Pyro to get better angle vs them, I'm trying also -1 Duress +1 Silence strategy but I'm not sold yet.
Cheers & keep testing
My only real answer is multiple small storms...
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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jin
My only real answer is multiple small storms...
I run 4 chant MD and returns them with silence on, thats the only way I remember beating their good hands, that requires a pretty good hand from us but at least we can kinda match their nut draws with that cause of the relatively slow clock (but most of the time I'm too low for nauseam)
Other than that I only seem to win when I'm extremely lucky, I haven't tried the grids yet, just bringing in pyroblasts +1 seize still (currently out of space cause I'm testing Island in the board which works well so far vs folk)
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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JCLe
I run 4 chant MD and returns them with silence on, thats the only way I remember beating their good hands, that requires a pretty good hand from us but at least we can kinda match their nut draws with that cause of the relatively slow clock (but most of the time I'm too low for nauseam)
Other than that I only seem to win when I'm extremely lucky, I haven't tried the grids yet, just bringing in pyroblasts +1 seize still (currently out of space cause I'm testing Island in the board which works well so far vs folk)
My sideboard is current:
1x Tendrils of Agony
1x Empty the Warren
1x Diminishing Returns
1x Ill-gotten Gains
1x Grapeshot
2x Xantid Swarm
2x Echoing Truth
1x Wipe Away
1x Shattering Spree
1x Meltdown (I have no idea why this is still in here, I have not used it at all)
1x Thoughtseize
2x Pyroblast
I usually board in the 2x Pyroblasts for NO rUG and the 2x Xantid Swarm for the Stoneblade match ups...
I tend to board out Chrome Mox #4 and Infernal Tutor #4 the most. If I bring in swarms, I usually take out 1x Ponder and 1x Silence.
Oh yes, against Stoneblade, I also board in 1x Tendrils of Agony switching for 1x Empty the Warren. Goblins suck against Batterskull.
Well I usually disrupt a bit, but I don't go off until I have 2 safety. Maybe I'm waiting for too long?
I really like Pyroblast, but I'm starting to want to jump on the band wagon and play Defense Grid. Misstep + Bolt + Spell pierce is just annoying. I'm also considering Carpet of Flowers, but that seems less superb against FOW and Misstep...
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I usually try to pop as soon as I can if I can cast 1 protection and then win, its worthless to wait for 2 the protection because one resolving is all you need.
Its harder to have double protection mana in one turn than just casting duress, getting it misstepped and try again as soon as you draw another protection or have to try because of the clock.
Of course there are some cases where you just have to go in the dark, or just bluff with dark rit, because you might just never draw anything to protect.
Either way, it's a very hard matchup as far as I can tell
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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jin
My sideboard is current:
1x Meltdown (I have no idea why this is still in here, I have not used it at all)
Try something better in replacement for it. Meltdown is good only in an affinity infested meta.
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jin
I don't go off until I have 2 safety. Maybe I'm waiting for too long?
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jin
Hi, besides my trouble with stoneblade: FOW + Mental Misstep + Spell Pierce + Clique + Ancestral Visions
I'm now having trouble with NO rUG: FOW + Mental Misstep + Daze + Spell Pierce + Clique + heavy pressure from goyf and Progenitus
Any tips?
What i usually do is I immediately go for the kill. Especially during game ones. The longer you wait for a protection, the stronger their hand gets.
Btw, I pparticipated last night in a small legacy tournament here and the meta had UW control (2); merfolk (2); hivemind (2); BUG-still (1); reanimator (1); zoo (1); BW (1); gw-mavs (1) and me. This is a perfect place to do serious playtest with tier one decks. I began my night against GW-mavs (2-0); then zoo (2-1); then hivemind (2-0); before losing to merfolks (0-2). Good LOURD of TES, I really hate seeing merfolks on the opposite end of the table whenever I'm using TES.
RE: Hivemind, it was my 1st time going against a hivemind deck. Game one, he was able to bring down (via show and tell) that enchantment but I was lucky that he did not have a pact. Then on my turn, i tried to go off but he told me that each and every time I will cast an instant or sorcery, he will also have a copy of it and his copy will resolve first. Ok, that sucks. He copied all my rituals and infernal tutor. Good thing hivemind cannot copy artifact and creature spells. I fetched Ad naus via tutor and revealed a lot of cards, including a Xantid, then pass the turn for I knew he had nothing in his hand. Xantid ftw the win! It took me half an hour thinking of how will I get around with that hivemind. Good thing I have xantid in my MD.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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paeng4983
RE: Hivemind, it was my 1st time going against a hivemind deck. Game one, he was able to bring down (via show and tell) that enchantment but I was lucky that he did not have a pact. Then on my turn, i tried to go off but he told me that each and every time I will cast an instant or sorcery, he will also have a copy of it and his copy will resolve first. Ok, that sucks. He copied all my rituals and infernal tutor. Good thing hivemind cannot copy artifact and creature spells. I fetched Ad naus via tutor and revealed a lot of cards, including a Xantid, then pass the turn for I knew he had nothing in his hand. Xantid ftw the win! It took me half an hour thinking of how will I get around with that hivemind. Good thing I have xantid in my MD.
If you were worried he would copy Tendrils, then you shouldn't. What happens is: You cast Tendrils with Storm X, to kill him. Hive Mind will copy your spell. Just 1 copy of Tendrils, not Tendrils+x storm, because his copy was not Cast.
Also, all his counterspells are useless with Hive Mind on the Battlefild, because you'll copy the counter, and counter his counter with it.
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JCLe
I usually try to pop as soon as I can if I can cast 1 protection and then win, its worthless to wait for 2 the protection because one resolving is all you need.
Its harder to have double protection mana in one turn than just casting duress, getting it misstepped and try again as soon as you draw another protection or have to try because of the clock.
Of course there are some cases where you just have to go in the dark, or just bluff with dark rit, because you might just never draw anything to protect.
Either way, it's a very hard matchup as far as I can tell
If i don't have protection, I usually test the waters with Dark Ritual. It never resolves without being disrupted and if it does, I win. The thing is, every countermagic in the format hits Dark Ritual.
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paeng4983
Try something better in replacement for it. Meltdown is good only in an affinity infested meta.
What i usually do is I immediately go for the kill. Especially during game ones. The longer you wait for a protection, the stronger their hand gets.
Game 1's I beat Stoneblade pretty consistantly, it's the game 2's and 3's. Against NO rUG, I usually lose it all. It's interesting though. I'll consider just going off and burning out my protection spells, but I hate wasting them. Yeah I'm going to take Meltdown out. I never fight affinity.
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How the D. Grid testing is going ?
Thx in advance
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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jin
I'm now having trouble with NO rUG: FOW + Mental Misstep + Daze + Spell Pierce + Clique + heavy pressure from goyf and Progenitus
Any tips?
"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. Its the only way to be sure."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s1MspmfEwg
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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RexFTW
LOL, nevermind, I fixed it. Empty the Warren dominates this matchup.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
Been a lurker for quite a while, but i've been playing this deck non competitively for about 6 months maybe?
I played in a Legacy tournament at UK Nats with Bryant's Grid list, my result was a rather poor 1-3 but i don't think i did too badly.
A quick overview of the tournament.
Round 1 - Zoo.
He informed me that he'd never lost a match against storm and that he beat storm to win a Mox Sapphire in a tournament recently, i had this confirmed to be true later by one of the spectators.
G1 - I was incredibly nervous, so i played very slowly, without his masterful sideboard, i kill him on turn two.
G2 - After attempting to go for the IGGY loop, he Surgical'd my Infernal Tutor... I then went for Ad Nauseam at roughly 8 life, he had no cards in hand by this point, i hit a Ponder which put me to two. In hindsight if i had stopped and Pondered i'd have hit the tutor i needed to go off, but due to a miscalculation i continued and killed myself.
G3 - Was about the point where he was describing that he'd never lost to Storm. I went off, he had plenty of cards in hand, and i Ad Nau'd myself down to 8. After i began to tutor he asked me to confirm if it was a 2cmc spell on top, it wasn't. He bolted me twice down to 2 and i killed him. He packed up solemnly and walked off in a huff.
Round 2 - NO RuG
G1 - He countered everything i played and killed me with Progenitus.
G2 - He countered everything i played, i never saw a grid, and killed me with Terrastadon.
Round 3 - Solidarity
(I was written about in the Solidarity Thread, he said that he had the best games all weekend against me and i had many compliments about how good a Storm player i was, it made me happy.)
G1 - He sighs as i begin to go off, not knowing i'm TES he attempts to mill my win cons, he does.. But i Wish for the one he can't mill and he dies.
G2 - I don't see a defense grid, and after a exchange of Counters and Pyroblasts he mills me for more than my deck.
G3 - I try and force a Grid out early, he Remands it, i play it again, he Remands it, i play it again and he forces it. Then goes off in response to me going off. Turns out he shipped a hand he would have kept against any other deck.. If he'd have kept it, i'd have made 14 Goblins T1 and killed him.
Round 4 - Countertop Stoneblade
(My opponent didn't seem to happy, and by that point i'd heard my best friend had made top8, alongside another close friend, and i was ex tactic.. and became a little bit nuts.)
G1 - Was rather uneventful, he counters everything and kills me with Batterskull.
G2 - Game two for me was all theatrics, i played out the game in a very animated fashion, which drew quite a crowd. I had no choice after my aloof storytelling to go for Diminishing Returns. With two black in pool, i hit 4 land, 2 Duress and a Tendrils... 'S***' ..I double duressed him and never got the gas to go off again, or at least, when i did, he Counterbalanced.
I was told after that game that if anyone watching had scrubbed out, watching me play would make it worth it.
...Not the greatest result in the world i know, but it was my first competitive legacy event and i'm going to Amsterdam in October and will be testing vigorously till then.
Can anyone point me in the direction of the best way to test TES, and what's important in each match? Has Bryant updated the front page to include the newer decks that all have Misstep in them?
Is it worth combating Misstep with Misstep?
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
Played again with TES (3fetch 3city, 2 Adn , 3chat1silence, 4 duress with 3xantid1pyro SB).Got paried against UR painter, UW Stoneblade with shutters, Team Italia,Enchantress,Zoo,BW Stoneforge.
Doing 5-0-1, ID with Zoo at round5 because he was my teammate and needed to play top8 for the legacy nationals invite.I ended in first at suiss taking some boosters to home and drop from top8.
The only game I lost all day was game1 against Team Italia where I mull to 5 take hymn at T2 and T3, resolves Adn trying to grapeshot him but get bolted with 3 life(what a shame!).
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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Tomorrow
Is it worth combating Misstep with Misstep?
Duress and Orim's Chant does that just fine. Dark Ritual does it sometimes as well.
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I played T.E.S for the first time in awhile at our weekly locals using the list from the opening post. I went 5-0 on the day beating Blue Zoo, Maverick, Bant, Bant, Bant. Defense Grid was insane.
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Bryant Cook
I played T.E.S for the first time in awhile at our weekly locals using the list from the opening post. I went 5-0 on the day beating Blue Zoo, Maverick, Bant, Bant, Bant. Defense Grid was insane.
Did you have to deal with hatebears? I had to deal with 3 or 4 in my local tournament last week and I was having trouble. What is your boarding plan against them? Do you board in the 2 Deathmarks and the 2 bounce? I grapeshotted a Gaddock Teeg, so dealing with 1 hatebear seems to be fine, but more than that makes it really hard.
Well, I wasn't playing Deathmark in my sb at the time.
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jin
Did you have to deal with hatebears? I had to deal with 3 or 4 in my local tournament last week and I was having trouble. What is your boarding plan against them? Do you board in the 2 Deathmarks and the 2 bounce? I grapeshotted a Gaddock Teeg, so dealing with 1 hatebear seems to be fine, but more than that makes it really hard.
Well, I wasn't playing Deathmark in my sb at the time.
Wish for pyroclasm. :) That's how i deal with those x/2 hate creatures. :)
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jin
Did you have to deal with hatebears? I had to deal with 3 or 4 in my local tournament last week and I was having trouble. What is your boarding plan against them? Do you board in the 2 Deathmarks and the 2 bounce? I grapeshotted a Gaddock Teeg, so dealing with 1 hatebear seems to be fine, but more than that makes it really hard.
Well, I wasn't playing Deathmark in my sb at the time.
Yes, all of the Bant Decks had them as did Blue Zoo and Maverick. I brought in Deathmark and Grids for Bant, then Deathmark, Echoing Truth, and 'Seize for the other two.
Blue Zoo round one had maindeck Teeg and opened it. I lost. I won game two by Jedi Mind fucking him. I had used my Grapeshot to stay alive after a poor Nauseam, then a non-lethal Tendrils to stay alive. He had lethal on the board, I drew and played LED, showed infernal, and said "Tendrils?", he scooped. Then game three I Brainstormed turn one putting Nauseam on top, then turn two Ritual, Rite, LED, Petal, Ponder, crack LED, Ad Nauseam.
Then against Bant round four, he went turn 2 Zenith for Teeg. I turn 2 wish for Grapeshot, he plays a Pridemage, I draw and play another land, then my turn four consisted of... Chant, Chant, Ritual, Ritual, Petal, Grapeshot, LED, Infernal, win.
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paeng4983
Wish for pyroclasm. :) That's how i deal with those x/2 hate creatures. :)
That's wrong. Grapeshot > Pyroclasm. I'm tired of arguing this so I'll let you continue to be wrong and lose rounds because of it.
