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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
I am not too familiar with the price of foils so can someone help me out.
I jumped on the hype train and bought a playset of Temple Gardens,foils, on eBay for $100. Is that good?
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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joemauer
I am not too familiar with the price of foils so can someone help me out.
I jumped on the hype train and bought a playset of Temple Gardens,foils, on eBay for $100. Is that good?
Probably not. I mean $25 seems to be the going price and there are still some for sale on Ebay under $30. The prevailing thought is that these are going to be reprinted within 2 years and you are speculating on a format that doesn't really exist yet and is directly competing with a very popular format while resembling a format no one wanted to play 2 years ago. You are also banking on a traditionally weak dual land color to rise in value. I mean even a Zoo deck wouldn't want 4x Temple Gardens I would think. I mean who knows they may go up if the format takes off but personally I think you paid the going rate for 4 cards that aren't going to be easy to move and you could have spent $100 on something a lot better.
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dontbiteitholmes
Probably not. I mean $25 seems to be the going price and there are still some for sale on Ebay under $30. The prevailing thought is that these are going to be reprinted within 2 years and you are speculating on a format that doesn't really exist yet and is directly competing with a very popular format while resembling a format no one wanted to play 2 years ago. You are also banking on a traditionally weak dual land color to rise in value. I mean even a Zoo deck wouldn't want 4x Temple Gardens I would think. I mean who knows they may go up if the format takes off but personally I think you paid the going rate for 4 cards that aren't going to be easy to move and you could have spent $100 on something a lot better.
It was for foil ones. I would say that price was ok. Foils even if they would get reprinted won't lose value necessary at all. Even if that Modern format never would be popular you can sell those to EDH players or keep them in your binder.
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There is a very strong possibility of returning to ravnica in sep 2012. That may or may not equal to rav duals being reprinted though. If modern transitions to paper at the end of this year, we will have a year of modern before the new rav set comes out. The rav duals will be at Max value during this time and would be the best time to unload, especially if right before a ptq season (assuming modern replaces extended). I'm keeping my rav duals though, Because I plan to play modern. If it really becomes a ptq format, the prices are going to be insane.
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Atog
It was for foil ones. I would say that price was ok. Foils even if they would get reprinted won't lose value necessary at all. Even if that Modern format never would be popular you can sell those to EDH players or keep them in your binder.
I realize this. Despite the fact that idiots pay $25 for non-foil shocklands on SCG in buying frenzies I consider Ebay to be the real price of cards. So far everything non-foil and shockland is under $15 average though that may change. The average price of foil WG lands seems to be around $25 which leads me to believe you could find a better deal if you looked around a little. I don't see WG being the go to shockland though I don't think the initial run on UW to make Mystic is going to be the best idea either. Modern is just a different format. Fact remains he asked if it was "good" my definition of good is getting a "good" deal not paying the going rate. Sure they may go up, but then again you surely could have made a better purchase with $100 whether it's speculating cards to go up or just trying to get a good deal. I think if you were speculating cards for Modern and were going to go in $100 deep I'd pick up a ton of those cards that are $5-10 range, then when they double you double up. How much are Foil Shocklands going to go up? They are already up mostly because of EDH I don't see anyone paying $50 for a foil WG land in the next 2 years because you could buy a Savannah for that, but maybe I'm crazy.
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dontbiteitholmes
If you slash a $50 card every year with a reprint in a drafted set or DD you are going to make a lot of stores and players unhappy.
If they reprint a $50 card every year, pretty soon people are going to learn to be skittish about paying that much for a card and there simply won't be any $50 cards. And then you can reprint to your heart's content without pissing anyone off...except, what are you reprinting, since there's no more hyper-$ cards? :laugh:
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MattH
If they reprint a $50 card every year, pretty soon people are going to learn to be skittish about paying that much for a card and there simply won't be any $50 cards. And then you can reprint to your heart's content without pissing anyone off...except, what are you reprinting, since there's no more hyper-$ cards? :laugh:
All these MTGSalvation scrubs are living in a fantasy world. No sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but Modern is going to be far from a budget format. There are regularly $40+ cards in Standard now adays and we are talking about a format that will go on until the end of Magic. When Wizards says an "affordable" Eternal format they are comparing it to Legacy and Vintage, where $500 will regularly get you some of the lands you need for a deck and nothing else. I mean say you are deadset on making Team America $500 gets you 4x Wastelands and 3x Seas, then you look at the rest of the cards you need and slash your wrists. In Modern $500 often gets you an entire deck and SB. I mean despite the fact Goyf, Confidant, and Jace 2.0 are expensive every other card you need is pretty cheap. Sure there are a couple $15-20 guys hiding in there, but if you can't drop double what you pay for a top tier standard deck don't expect to be able to play every Modern deck.
That's what I've been saying from the start about a new Eternal format though. All these kids complaining about the price of Legacy are the same ones that think a new Eternal format is going to come down from the clouds and sprinkle $5 chase rares on them. Sorry, not going to happen. The format is still going to be expensive if you want to play optimal decks. Even Standard is expensive, Magic is expensive overall. If you want a cheap Eternal format get an online account and play pauper (I do it's fun as hell and the most $$$ card is Invigorate @ $14 until MM gets released online). The funny thing is all these people on here talking about Modern is "popular, oh sooo popular" this and that, but really practically no one has actually built a Modern deck yet. We'll see who puts their money where there mouth is when the format really starts to show up. A lot of people like to sit behind the keyboard and talk up new Eternal formats dreaming about a format cheaper than Standard but I think these people are in for a rude awakening and likely will take to the sidelines when it's time to shell out for the cards.
WotC is NOT going to ruin the price on older rares every time they shoot up. It is not in their best interest to do this at all. Everytime they reprint a playable money rare and ruin it's value they are going to hurt stores and players who already have that card. They do it all the time in Standard because there is an expectation that Standard cards are going to go down, but when a card has been out of print for 5-6 years and it just starts to jump they are not going to rush out and shoehorn it into the next set just to keep the price steady. Thinking back I can't recall one time they have reprinted a long out of print playable money card in a set even though the opportunity has always been there. They usually save that stuff for FTV or judge promos which don't affect price much.
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Just a heads up from what I saw at the SCG Open yesterday:
Before the tournament there was a large amount of people looking for Angel's Grace. SCG didn't bring any with them apparently but I don't doubt they could have got 10+ for them easily due to the supply-demand ratio. From what I heard it was also Chris VanMeter's tech in the mirror and was talked about on the webcast so the 'secret' is out. I'm sure SCG will bring them to future opens, but I don't think it would hurt to bring a few to trade if you plan on going to an Open Series.
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Whippoorwill
Just a heads up from what I saw at the SCG Open yesterday:
Before the tournament there was a large amount of people looking for
Angel's Grace. SCG didn't bring any with them apparently but I don't doubt they could have got 10+ for them easily due to the supply-demand ratio. From what I heard it was also Chris VanMeter's tech in the mirror and was talked about on the webcast so the 'secret' is out. I'm sure SCG will bring them to future opens, but I don't think it would hurt to bring a few to trade if you plan on going to an Open Series.
Yeah, it was the mirror breaker against Hive Mind.
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dontbiteitholmes
Yeah, it was the mirror breaker against Hive Mind.
Mirror breaker? "Secret tech" Goddamnit I have no respect for "pros".
This has been public knowledge for more than a month now.
(insert link to mtgstats.com showing all the lists running Angel's Grace in the sideboard. site is down right now tho)
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I was just trying to type this up without trolling. Thanks for beating me.
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rukcus
Mirror breaker? "Secret tech" Goddamnit I have no respect for "pros".
This has been public knowledge for more than a month now.
(insert link to mtgstats.com showing all the lists running Angel's Grace in the sideboard. site is down right now tho)
Yeah, it was "public knowledge" but everyone knows a card isn't a card until someone top 16's an SCG tournament with it. /sarcasm
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I tell you one thing... Imagine a hundred of mice facing fivehundred lions.... the mice are Modern, the lions are Legacy.... Modern has NO CHANCE of beating Legacy fast. But there might get more mice and maybe even over serveral thousands and maybe some lions change sides, but not many... So everyone calm down and wait how many mice will gather up and how many traitors we got here...and then:
LET THEM FACE OUR LEGACY!
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philipp802
i tell you one thing... Imagine a hundred of mice facing fivehundred lions.... The mice are modern, the lions are legacy.... Modern has no chance of beating legacy fast. But there might get more mice and maybe even over serveral thousands and maybe some lions change sides, but not many... So everyone calm down and wait how many mice will gather up and how many traitors we got here...and then:
Let them face our legacy!
lol
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I don't think anyone is going to quit Legacy and play Modern if they have invested any money into the format. It looks like a fun format in its own right but there is no way it can replace Legacy.
As for the issue of whether or not it will be cheaper, well look at the price of some of the cards that are going to be legal in the new format: Goyf 70, Confidant 30, duals will settle around 20ish, fetches will probably go up as well. This isn't even counting cards like Tooth and Nail which are popular in Commander and are moderately expensive without seeing widespread play. There are countless "Tooth and Nail"s in this format. I shudder to think of what prices of these cards will be if there is widespread adoption of Modern.
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If it's any indication, Tarmogoyf is on the up with several MTGO bots in the last few days. Last night one bot had 4 in stock at 44 tix, and now 0 in stock at 46.
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Amon Amarth
I don't think anyone is going to quit Legacy and play Modern if they have invested any money into the format. It looks like a fun format in its own right but there is no way it can replace Legacy.
As for the issue of whether or not it will be cheaper, well look at the price of some of the cards that are going to be legal in the new format: Goyf 70, Confidant 30, duals will settle around 20ish, fetches will probably go up as well. This isn't even counting cards like Tooth and Nail which are popular in Commander and are moderately expensive without seeing widespread play. There are countless "Tooth and Nail"s in this format. I shudder to think of what prices of these cards will be if there is widespread adoption of Modern.
This is true, the Legacy players will be playing Legacy. However it's the fact that the non-Legacy players (a much bigger playerbase) will be playing Modern and if Modern is supported by WotC, expect tournament support for Legacy to fall e.g. SCG would be much more inclined to run moderns on Sundays instead of Legacy since Modern fetches more $$ since they have more stock of modern cards than anything else (the short supply of Legacy syndrome once again here).
I'm optimistic for Legacy, but I won't be surprised that we will not be as great as we might have been. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out because the real reason is: WotC is just not willing to support Legacy (for their own reasons) and this is the real reason that is impeding Legacy's further develop (the short supply is directly affected by WotC's reserved list, which is directly related to their 'un'-willingness to support Legacy i.e. they are not THAT willing to support Legacy that they'll abandon the reserved list).
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Metalwalker
Circular logic employed by WotC
More sad than anything. It's a shame they'd rather cut deeper into existing Eternal than nurture it.
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Modern is just lacking when compared to Legacy.
In Legacy I get to competitively play with all the cards from when I first started playing (which I can't do in any other format besides EDH). There are a ton of different viable decks in every archetype. These are the reasons I play Legacy, and will continue to for as long as I play magic.
Modern is simply standard plus, or alternate extended, to me. With shocklands as the only viable dual lands available many archetypes are not really feasible (try making a 3 color control deck that is decent with that type of mana base, in most games your land will do half the work for your opponent). And on top of that you don't get to play with some of the coolest cards ever made.
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soltakar
Modern is just lacking when compared to Legacy.
That's definitely the case, I've been testing modern with some friends and it just feels so lacking. Maybe if we weren't spoiled by legacy already it wouldn't feel like standard+. It will be a pity if what others say is true, that Wizards and SCG start supporting Modern.
