[Primer/Deck] Nic Fit

I think when a deck plays veteran explorer DRS becomes less of a need. When you are gsz you mostly want to get a vet anyway. I agree with running only 2.

I love stronghold but I like it more when you have a titan that searches it up. fetching arbor is nice with recurring nightmare though...hmm.. No bstorm to put it back isnt great if you do draw it. Idk, I dont hate it but I dont think I would run arbor. Now if Nissa said find a forest not a basic forest I would really like it.

I would run 1 less sylvan and 1 more top. Better in multiples Though from your posts I know that card is a pretty big love for you and it is amazing against miracles (and against shardless should it stick for a turn).

I would still recommend truth over charm. On that note, Jbone, I know we talked a bit about it last week before you went to SCG and you played 2 tournies with a swap of those card. Any thoughts? I am looking to see how much actual utility the other 2 modes provided you because unless we start to have some data on that I think its hard to know. Either way I think having a 3 mana draw spell is great for this deck.

I also do not totally love needle in the board. I think many times where we want needle deed will also be involved. I would rather not have the situation ever come up.

Hey y'all: debating on coming back to Nic Fit as soon as I'm done building a few Modern decks (Podless Pod and Tasigur Twin to be exact). Thinking of going with a Pod+GSZ route this time while also bringing in some tech from my Podless Pod list via a singleton Taiga and Slaughter Games.

Let me know if y'all see any issues with the maindeck so far:

4 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
2 Wall of Blossoms
2 Eternal Witness
2 Siege Rhino
1 Thragtusk
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Primeval Titan

3 Sylvan Library
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Birthing Pod
1 Diabolic Intent

4 Cabal Therapy
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Swords to Plowshares

4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Taiga
1 Scrubland
2 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold

You're playing Veteran Explorers. Change those StP's for PtE's. No need to give your opponent free life in a deck that durdles as much as Pod Fit.

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Originally Posted by jbone2016

I land a plague on elves but he crop rotates into a nexus and kills my thru an azban charm with a daze (which I knew about when he tried to daze my decay earlier)

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Decay is still a legal target for Daze, it just doesn't get countered. I guess you let him take it back?

Is there a Abzan Rhino ''default'' decklist (with sideboard list too) to bring in a unknown metagame/legacy tournament? :D

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Originally Posted by Paranoid__Android

Is there a Abzan Rhino ''default'' decklist (with sideboard list too) to bring in a unknown metagame/legacy tournament? :D

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Depends on how big you wanna go.... :cool:

1) Arian's list is very heavy on big fatties.
2) Sdematt's list is a bit less heavy on fatties.
3) Mine is more "midrangy" (with no recurring tools) & very "grindy" with a better G1 against most combo decks.

Pick up the one you like the most.

My list can be found here

I haven't been playing much lately, but this is what I'm running. I don't have Catacombs so my fetches aren't ideal, but it gets the job done. The 2 Hymn to Tourachs and Recurring Nightmare are kind of up in the air and recently added back, so haven't tested with them. I had 2 Restoration Angels originally, and the first match I played after adding them I was able to keep a Rhino alive in response to a removal (I think it was a StP), 6 point life swing then he conceded b/c I was going to swing in for lethal next turn. Seemed legit.

I'm basically trying to figure out what the last 3-4 MD cards are (Angels, Hymns, Nightmare, another Truths?)

tilzinger, what cards are you looking for your mana base that you dont have? If you play in a tourny I am at I may/should have fetches available depending.

Also, run 4 gsz and also run 3 tops minimum. I really do not understand why people are posting with less than 3 tops. Even with library I would still run 3-4. This deck is already fairly high variance and top is the best way to solve that without picking up blue. The hands that have top never look the most broken but they are the ones that have the most staying power.

Just 3-1'd a daily event with this:

http://i.imgur.com/woe8ISY.jpg

I don't know what I should change.

Round 1: Grixis Delver 2-1
Round 2: Storm 2-0
Round 3: Storm 2-0
Round 4: Miracles (MzFroste, who doesn't lose ever, so that's ok) 0-2

Vs Miracles he just countered everything game 1 (I had to be proactive so he didn't just entreat kill eventually), game 2 I accidentally shuffled away a tsunami when his board was just islands, but he was playing at flash speed with Cliques and Entreat so it wouldn't have mattered, he had countermagic up the whole time.

Why are ou on STP and not PTE?

Congrats on the finish!

Also full list would be appreciated since its cut off. Nice job. Too bad the miracles pulled off a.....miracle. Yeah!

Not to detract from ironclad's performance (good job btw), but StP is better than PtE against basic heavy decks (including Miracles if memory serves me right).

Now that my inner Kanye has said his piece, Miracles at it's heart is the classic Draw-Go control. Playing proactively is the last thing you want to do since that's how they want you to play anyway: best bet with your list game 1 is to stick any creature during the first few turns (if a Veteran Explorer, do not pull the trigger of course) along with a Deed for Entreat and give them death by papercuts. If they go to StP or Terminus, just stick another. Jace is problematic of course, but the threat density of Nic Fit matched against Jace's grindy win-con means you could very well use the max hand size and end step of your turn to sculpt your hand/library to be filled with threats to seal the deal.

I understand why ppl like path over stp but I would still probably run swords anyway. These new rhino versions of nic fit are trying to be more aggressive so maybe I am just thinking in the past but life is not really relevant in many matchups where another land "could" be.

If you have both stronghold and tower out you can also beat a jace ultimate. Especially if you have something like tusk to recur that leave a body. I have not done it often but I have beaten jace ultimates. A few times due to this and once by having all four punishing fires and like a million mana. burnt him out from 17. Had to win in my upkeep but whatever....

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Originally Posted by Tom4ik

tilzinger, what cards are you looking for your mana base that you dont have? If you play in a tourny I am at I may/should have fetches available depending.

Also, run 4 gsz and also run 3 tops minimum. I really do not understand why people are posting with less than 3 tops. Even with library I would still run 3-4. This deck is already fairly high variance and top is the best way to solve that without picking up blue. The hands that have top never look the most broken but they are the ones that have the most staying power.

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I run 1 b/c I only own 1 :) I have 2 more on my Christmas list for my wife to get me.

Thanks for the offer with the lands. I have neighbor who would let me borrow some Verdant Catacombs if I really needed them.

Here is the full list:


4 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Eternal Witness
1 Thrun, The Last Troll
3 Siege Rhino
1 Thragtusk
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Primeval Titan

4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Sensei's Divining Top (I want to go up to 4)
3 Swords to Plowshares (I just didn't remember Path to Exiles advantage in this deck, been awhile since I played it so I just defaulted to STP, next time I'll try that instead)
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Recurring Nightmare

3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
2 Savannah
2 Bayou
1 Scrubland
1 Karakas
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Windswept Heath
2 Marsh Flats

Sideboard:
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Tsunami
2 Krosan Grip
2 Garruk, Primal Hunter
2 Thoughtseize
2 Engineered Plague
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Gaddock Teeg

Because if you're trying to Rhino drain them, why give them life? Especially when giving them more lands doesn't matter. You're activating Veteran Explorer - they likely have no more lands in their deck anyway, so it's quite literally a free RFG target creature. STP puts you behind if you're on Rhinotime, and we discussed this about a year ago already.

Against Miracles, that slot is dead anyway. You don't keep STP or Path in, and Veteran is hot garbage in that matchup anyway, which is one of the reasons I've been debating on 3 or 4 Veterans, since I'd rather have DRS.

Overall, I think we're all on similar pages. Rhino is good, and so are Rhino loops.

-Matt

Oh, and wanting to go up to 4 Tops? What you actually want is Sylvan, Deed be damned. You don't truly know power until you Ancestral Recall, going down to 24 life.

-Matt

Did much better tonight at Mead. Went 3-1

Beat an unusual punishing fire pod deck. I paid 9! life to draw 3 cards (Ruric thar was in play) to hit my karakas to bounce him. Sigarda ftw. Priest blew him out when he sacced his finks with pod.
Beat shardless BUG in 3. Nissa top decked very well for me here to draw a deed to reset the board in game 3.
Beat elves in 3 (on camera). I get smashed game one. I get him with canonist and rhino and a 2nd deed game 2. Game 3, mull to 5. Keep therapy, vet, bayou, priest, top? Ended up getting a canonist and flashed in the priest when he tried to gsz for rec sage. rhino beats ensued.

Lost to storm in 2. Mulled to 6 both games looking for interaction. Whiffed on therapy both times. (First time on LED, second game was dark ritual, I believe he had cabal both games)
Maybe a third thoughtseize in the board, perhaps.

Rhino's a tank, yo.

Saddle's waitin'.

-Matt

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Originally Posted by jbone2016

Lost to storm in 2. Mulled to 6 both games looking for interaction. Whiffed on therapy both times. (First time on LED, second game was dark ritual, I believe he had cabal both games)
Maybe a third thoughtseize in the board, perhaps.

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Hmm, when facing ANT I usually name Infernal Tutor as a first card. They can have all the mana in the world as far as I care as long as they can't do shit with it. For TES, I'm not so sure what to name first. Might also depend on who's on the play.