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Assuming we play literally infinite discard spells we won't be able to prevent them from topdecking cards of relevance. Modern Jund players can attest to this in the Scapeshift matchup.Quote:
Originally Posted by djxstream
Spheres and Thorns, on the other hand, mean they can never place those spells on the stack in the first place.
Sign me up for Team Sphere.
Give me both! T1 discard, T2 Sphere, some manadenial... Living the dream :laugh:
This was a beautiful match too see. But lets be honest, hardly proof of how good sphere is in the S&T matchup, because David Long was very lucky here.Quote:
Originally Posted by djxstream
Both Thoughtseize and Sphere are alike, they gain us time to combo first. And both cards will eventually loose the game if you don't pare it with a quick token. Both cards also have different qualities, which makes them better depending the matchup. Spheres are great as they stall sculpting, and tax stormcount. And they have great synergy with the maindeck manadenial.Quote:
Originally Posted by barcode
But they are not very good against S&T. Because S&T needs less sculpting than others, due to running 8 fatties and 8 enablers, and because it runs mana acceleration in sollands and petals to cast a single gamewinning spell that only costs 3 or 4. Manascrewing S&T is way less efficient than it is to lock up Storm. And besides their combo, they have bloodmoon, up to 3 pieces these days, which is pretty much a 1-card-combo against us. And as al combodecks, they have some bouncespells that will take care of a quick token as well.
THat's why discard is so good here, as it's versatility can tackle many opposing gameplans, whereas spheres are all-in on the manadenial. As Chatto states, you can run them both, depending on your meta. Many Storm, go for spheres. But if it lacks Storm (which looks to be the case right now), I think you should try the discard as well.
Definitely bring in Chalice against Miracles. No question about it. An option would be to also board out some number of one drops (specifically Manabond and Crop Rotation) to make Chalice more asymmetrical.Quote:
Originally Posted by zombie_sky_diver
Yep. This specifically.Quote:
Originally Posted by gigapatrick
Chalice helps protect Marit Lage from Plow. It also stops Top and dig spells.
Of course, every Miracles player everywhere always seems to find their Wear//Tear(s) so do expect to get 2-for-1'd when they destroy an Exploration and Chalice. Try to kill them before that happens.
Yeah, I'd say that Wear / Tear is the main reason that RG's sideboard plan against Miracles no longer seems that great to me. Before Miracles players caught on to the fact that Wear / Tear wrecks us, Chalice and Choke destroyed them--but now you get quonked every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by barcode
I've been playing the RGB version and I can't figure out where the Dark Confidants are good. When do they get boarded in and for what cards?
Played yesterday the standard RGB version and i think i preffer the explosiveness of RG
That's my list. The Tracker was a last minute fun-of that I wanted to try out - if I were to keep a creature in that slot in the future it'd be the 4th Confidant or a Primeval Titan. What did you add over the 4th DD in the main?
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Originally Posted by Philipp2293
So I just got my butt kicked by d and t. I made a turn one token, yes a turn one. He had plow in hand. I then lost to a beat down with him having mom on board so even when I drew a removal it was pointless. Game 2 was just as bad, never got to make a token and he bet me down with creatures with mom backup. What exactly is the strategy in betting this deck? What are good sideboard cards and what should I take out?
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Bob is really good when you are going to go for a longer game. Great against Miracles or other non combo blue decks, also Maverick (in my experience). Against Miracles, I usually take out Wastelands, maybe a gamble/loam/exploration and 1x Pfire. I've had bad experiences with counterbalance landing and me just drawing those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuma
Obviously, there's no real way you can mulligan a hand capable of doing a T1 Marit Lage but the matchup is all about board control. You should focus on locking the game up with Punishing Fire/Mazes/Tabernacle over aggressively going for the combo because DNT does and will have answers to the token. Once you have the game state locked up - winning is elementary. You should be boarding in Grips and don't be afraid of taking down a Vial with it especially when they're light on actual mana. Death and Taxes is a favourable matchup for Lands - you just need to establish your role as the control deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by CovenantElite30
What you can do, is Pfire Mom in your opponent's turn. He'll tap it to protect itself, and then in your turn you can fire again.Quote:
Originally Posted by CovenantElite30
Hey guys!
Just a short question regarding the RGB / Dark Lands list: In which MUs do you normally board the Dark Confidant and how do you use it? Would you also board it when you see that the opp boards out all his Swords to plowshares? Or is it just a back-up wincon?
Cheers;
Jon
On Bob:
Typically speaking (though it seems counterintuitive), you probably want to board Bob in against white decks, since Rest in Peace is a beating. Of course, people aren't boarding out their Swords against us, so he's got a target on his head, but at least that's one less plow for Marit. I think boarding him in against combo decks is also feasible, since those are the matchups where you really want to draw nonland cards. Still, he does seem awful slow in those scenarios. You might also board him in against Deathrite decks, but not against tempo decks, so that really only means Shardless Bug.
On Death and Taxes:
Definitely second the notion that we are the control deck. The matchup is probably something like fifty-three to fifty-five percent in our favor, depending on each build--but they have so many tricks for a Marit that you absolutely have to just control the game with Punishing Fire. Of course, at that point, if you've got Fire going, you're a heavy favorite and your opponent should concede, but a lot of Death and Taxes players think their tricks will get them further than they actually can in that scenario. Draws you lose to will be turn one Mom, turn two Revoker on Mox or Thalia with Port and Waste back up. Not much you can do in those cases. You just get your ass kicked and it feels like it.
I saw a lands deck on camera today that had warping wail in the sideboard. What do you guys think playing 3 in the side?
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Would rather use my mana to control Lands. If I have a port free I would rather use it then hold up two mana.
Hey guys,
I made a playlist of RG Lands MU's. It only contains paper MU's (SCG, Snap Casters, and Atomic Empire to name a few), and will be updated as time goes by.
Just another source for information.
EDI: I know it hasn't all MU available, and I need to sort them.
Well done! This should be on the front page.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chatto
I'll see if I can get permission to upload my UR Delver matchup to YouTube for the playlist.
Thanks for the explanation, Patrick!Quote:
Originally Posted by gigapatrick
What I still don't fully understand is why we dedicate three SB slots for a match-up which we will will anyway. I think that shardless BUG is one of our best MUs (as they can't really handle our token). I've never really lost against this deck and thought that Bob might be good against other decks as well. But if we don't board it against tempo, not against combo (=too slow) and only in a MU which we will win very likely anyway - what is it actually good for?
Thanks;
Jon