[Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)

I've been playing Olivia Voldaren as a 2-of in the Scapewish build of NicFit and she's been pretty amazing. Ooze is great because he can grow. Likewise, she can buff herself with permanent +1/+1 counters for as many times you can pay 1R. If they have no creatures left, you can target your own creatures to score a some +1/+1's (obviously for non-lethal damage, unless you want to ping off an Explorer). Plus, she acts as a Punishing Fire all by herself, pinging the enemy creatures off can be really helpful when facing down Mother of Runes, Delvers, etc.

Flying is nice, too, allowing her to block Delvers or fly over the enemy for lethal. Oh yeah, and in the lategame, when you have 7 mana, you can pay 4BBR to gain control of any enemy creature. And that's pretty great, since she'll let you use all your mana if you have a lot, or if you only have 4 mana, you can just Shock a creature and make her a 5/5. I suppose the 3BB ability would be useful vs monoblack decks, should you see any, thanks to Vampire Nighthawk, Gatekeeper of Malakir, or I guess Mutavault, too. Anyway, that's a lot of abilities in one card. Makes her pretty dang useful.

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Originally Posted by litenkatt

What version of Nic Fit do you plan playing?

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Planning on playing the BG version (Seems more stable). I could use some suggestions on which version to run though, but basically I'm leaning towards BG (it also seems more budget friendly :laugh:)

Planning on using the list on the first post more or less.

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Originally Posted by Chikenbok

No.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correla...mply_causation

The opposite belief, correlation proves causation, is a logical fallacy by which two events that occur together are claimed to have a cause-and-effect relationship. The fallacy is also known as cum hoc ergo propter hoc (Latin for "with this, therefore because of this") and false cause. It is a common fallacy in which it is assumed that, because two things or events occur together, one must be the cause of the other. By contrast, the fallacy, post hoc ergo propter hoc, requires that one event occur after the other, and so may be considered a related fallacy.

I would like to summon the powers of Logic.

Sorry, back to your decks.

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You are misinterpreting what that means. The problem is making the claiming that a specific conclusion is the result of a single observation or a small number of observations. The goal is to prove something is true by disproving the cases where it would be untrue through a measurement.

Mini-Report time... At mythic games in Elmira today I went 2-2-1 and with 24 people. Not the best finish, but I had a good time, learned alot somehow I did well enough for top 16 and 45$ of store credit.

I was playing a slightly suboptimal rector list:
3 Bayou
3 Forest
2 Phyrexian Tower
3 Plains
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Windswept Heath

1 Diabolic Intent
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Sensei's Divining Top

4 Cabal Therapy
1 Vindicate
1 Maelstrom Pulse

3 Pernicious Deed
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Faith's Fetters
1 Recurring Nightmare

4 Veteran Explorer
2 Sakura-Tribe Elder
2 Eternal Witness
1 Fierce Empath
3 Academy Rector
2 Baneslayer Angel
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Thragtusk
1 Grave Titan
1 Sun Titan

Sideboard:
3 Carpet of Flowers
3 Extirpate
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Serenity
1 Dueling Grounds
1 Harmonic Sliver
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Cranial Extraction
1 Curse of Exhaustion
1 Humility
1 Memoricide

A friend of mine and my round one opponent, Steve Thompson told me he was going to lend me his moat before the event. So I would have had a MD moat and Yosei (in grave titan and GSZ place). However, when I got there he had decided he was running UW miracles and needed it :/ I ended up using dueling grounds as my silver bullet for goblins (which there was 3+ people playing). Also, thanks Timur for the advice. Dueling grounds wasnt ideal, but I dont think I could have thought of a better non-moat card for what I needed.


Round 1 - Steve - UW Miracles
Game 1 - We have an epic 35min slug fest, with both of us playing pretty tight. I dont remember everything, but I think he went through 2 jaces, 2 counterbalances, 3 terminus, 1 entreat and I burned 3 deeds. At the end I had I droped Sun titan grabing nightmare, sacing a dork to getting me back grave titan, Grave Titan, while also having thragtusk, Ewit and explore in play. He was around 15 life, and had just ran out of chumpblockers and he had no cards in hand, but a top and a jace at 11 out. I pass to him, having way more than leathal on board. He tops into a the moat he was going to lend me, the irony hurt. He fateseals me (jace at 13) and passes. I draw a forest, look at my massive land army and get mindsculpted :(

Game 2 - I have to mull to 5 and he gets an early 4/4 angel and clique. He drops jace after that, while swording my baneslayer. I have to pulse the angel, and vindicate clique. Time gets called and I just scoop to him.

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Round 2 - Doug Mckay with Living End
Awesome deck and a really nice guy.
Game 1 - He cycles a Glassdust Hulk off a underground sea at the end of my turn and I think I know what he is doing. Ive just been kinda durdling with tribe elders, and top. By turn 4 I see I therapy. He has 4 lands, 6 U/B cycled creatures in his graveyard and hasnt won yet so I name deny reality on my therapy. Derp, I see 2 living Deaths, lily and jace in his hand. He casts a living end on his turn and passes. I cant find an answer, but can drop a sun titan to block and survive one more turn. He drops Jace, and bounces his own Baleful Strix which had died earlier and got reanimated. After recasting the Strix, his 3 glassdusks were pumped and unblockable, and combined with his other guys, it was leathal.

Game 2 - I get out 2 early Carpet of Flowers for crazy mana while I vindicate 3 Underground seas (using Ewit) to keep him off double black. Eventually I am able to Cranial Extraction Living Death. He gets out a clique and strix which put me to 5ish before I find a deed. But he soon after gets out Jace and Lily. I answer the Jace with pulse, and drop sigarda for lily. He Starts ticking her up but cant kill sigarda as she beats in. After taking 10 he drops a strix to hold me at bay. I deed strix, and get him to 5. On his turn he uses lilys -6 in a panic. I remind him that Ive got sigarda and he doesnt understand why thats relavent and continues making his lily piles. Eventually he stops and laughs and we go to game 3 with just 3mins left.

Game 3 - I know I cant win in 1min and 5 turns, but hes a nice guy. Im a nice guy, so I shuffle/play as fast as I can to give him a chance. But, after I get a turn 3 memorocide on living death we just both scoop and accept the draw.

0-1-1, not a good start at all, but I am having fun so I didnt really care.

Round 3 - Nick P. with UR Delver
Nicks friend of a friend and nice guy, but we knew what were playing so we knew what was going to happen. Nothing too interesting to report. G1 baneslayer and thragtusk beat the whole deck. G2 even faster baneslayer and thragtusk beat the whole deck because of carpet of flowers.

1-1-1

Round 4 - Erick Whelpley with Not TES (mavrick)
Erick and I are good friends, we lived together a year ago when we both went to ithaca college and we knew eachothers decks inside and out.

Game 1 - I keep a slow 7. And he has the absolute nuts. I wiff a therapy naming KotR after he turn 1's a hierarch. He then drops mom>cradle>thalia>heirarch. I play drop a tribe elder. Off the cradle, he GSZ for rafiq, gives thalia pro green and beats in for 8. I drop a deed, but cant crack it. Im at 10 from fetches and he turn 4s me with rafiq for 10.

Game 2 - I mull to 5 but I get an early deed and kill his mana dorks and kotr and rafiq after chump blocking with elders and explorers. He is able to karakas his thalia he had out thought, and then after drops sigarda (ouch). I have a humility in had, and no other good plays. So drop that. I make the mistake of not playing an ewit in my hand to use as a blocker (I was "saving it for when humility dies", durr). Anyways, he beats be from 18 to 6 with 2 1/1s and all I get are lands and a pulse, which I have to use on his sylvan library the turn after he plays it. Finally he finds an O-ring for humility and wins with sigarda.

1-2-1 - Kind of a disappointing loss. My deck totally pooped on me game 2 and I dont think game was 1 was winable.

Round 5 - Steve Eliot with mono blue Dreadnaught
Nice guy, cool deck but obviously a little budget. No FoW :/
Game 1 - He gets 2 Renegade Doppelganger out but turn 3, while I am just topping and ramping I think I mulled to 4 or 5 this game. I pass and drops a phyrexian dreadnaught and hits me for 24 with the doppelgangers. Was not expecting that...

Game 2-3 - Carpet of flowers ramps me a ton. He gets out eater of days, and some dreads via dopplegangers, stiffles and tupor orbs but both games, deed was just better than anything he could do.



I ended up getting top 16 for 45$ of store credit and traded in a complete burn deck for 100$ store credit to buy me 3 badlands. Dan and Mythic games are awesome like that. I was happy, my finish was meh, but I lost to friends, they were fun games, and they had draws I couldnt beat even though I feel I played pretty well myself.

- Tribe elder was very helpful. I almost want 3. I would highly recommend people start using him. In GWB or even maybe BG.
- I never really missed not having innocent blood or StpS.
- I there was only 1 time I wanted Rusulka but even then, I had a slightly slower plan that got there without her.
- I didnt really mention her in my report much, but sigarda was a champ.
- Harmonic sliver was great when I needed him. being able to sac to stuff or block after his use was always relevant.
- Some of my SB cards are just as awful I thought they were (dueling grounds, curse of exhaustion).
- I was always happy to see a diabolic intent in my hand, again highly recommend it.
- Grave titan was really powerful, but I did miss moat.

Overall, I like the rector build. But I starting assembling it right before I saw the scapewish lists. And when I saw those, it was like "YES, that is what I want to play" so I am going to get the stuff for that next, probably before I get moat.

More thoughts later, but:

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Finally he finds a GSZ, gets pridemage and blows up humility and wins with sigarda.

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...What? lol

I toughed out my fever and was on fire figuratively as well as literally -- didn't drop a single game with Scapewish at my local today. Top 4 split got me Bob #2 (lolvintage), and some credit in the system. But yeah -- bed for now, thoughts later.

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Originally Posted by Arianrhod

More thoughts later, but:



...What? lol

I toughed out my fever and was on fire figuratively as well as literally -- didn't drop a single game with Scapewish at my local today. Top 4 split got me Bob #2 (lolvintage), and some credit in the system. But yeah -- bed for now, thoughts later.

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I am pretty tired too, I edited it. I couldnt remember how he dealt with humility so I just assumed he pridemaged my enchantment not really thinking about it. It was o-ring though, he had sided in 2.

Nice job! Not dropping a single game always feels so good.

Congrats on the finish guys. Olivia seems very good vs SnT. If they have like a T4 SnT you put in Olivia, eot ping, my turn play a land and take Emily? I may just try her out in place of one of my 2 huntmasters.

I'm gonna try olivia as well

Played a small tourney today (15ppl) and split the finals with ScapeFit.
I didnt loose a single game and the deck performed excellent.

R1 vs miracle
G1 i Cant really remember much but i aggroed him out with huntmasters and thragtusk
G2 i ramp to 6 lands and stall for a while gaining life with huntmasters ans thargtusk while killing jace. He eot entreats for 5 angels but can only attack with 2 since he needs blockers. I trade some angels for some dudes and draw out his counters. Burning wish finds scapeshift ftw.

R2 BG pox
g1 i have a really hard time getting anthing to stick. He has an active liliana and loam and mishras factory where i have 9 basics. He beats me to 2 and i have to draw a wincon from the top. Like a boss i draw burning wish for a scapeshift kill of 42. He was not amused.
G2 goes to time.

R3 omniscience
A matchup i didnt really feel all that comfortable with.
G1 he goed island ponder go wher i get cabal therapy on show+tell (hit) seeing burning wish and griselbrand and lands. He gets another s+t with wish but looses that to my turn2 GSZ->veteran explorer. I get more awesome dudes and he scoops em up.
G2 he again starts with island pOnder. I again go therapy and hit s+t seeing griselbrand and omniscience. He plays a land and i flashback therapy on omni, play carpet of flowers, huntmaster. He plays land and passes. Huntmastr flips and beats. I wish for cranial and remove all his s+t. Eventualy he finds a wish for s+t into griselbrand but cant activate since hes at 2. I draw a land and pass. He swings and goes to 9. I return the favor and beat for 8 putting him at 1. He again attacks and activates to draw 7. He finds nothing and scoops.

R4 id into top 4

Top4 Rg goblins
G1 stall into 7 lands and scapeshift for 18
G2 stall into 8 lands and scapeshift for 36

Top2 miracles (r1 opponent)
We split the prizes and i get to take home 2 flooded strand and 2 avacyn boosters.

I really loved playing this build. Wood elves is awesome as is huntmaster. I even wished for reanimate -> wood elves once just to get enough lands for scapeshift.

I agree Olivia can be effective, and I can see she might be straight uå great vs small creature decks like Goblins and Maverick, while becoming bigger each time. I am, however not sure I would use it against Show and Tell into Emrakul. Show and Tell decks are using Omniscience which gives extra turns with Emrakul. So unless you keep 7 mana open for the rest of the game, you are probably losing.

I would rather use Matsu-Tribe Sniper. You can find it with Green Sun's Zenith and it is also works well against Delver and Griselbrand. Has anyone tried with the Sniper? I have not but would love to hear from someone who has.

@XdeckX

Gratz, good to hear it was fun.
Did you play 2 or 3 Huntmasters? I see lots of lists with 2 but I know Arianrhod seems to love 3.

Any recommendations for the deck in case you did not play standard list.
I am looking into playing scapeshift. Just one Taiga missing ;-(

@XdeckX

Sweet! thanks for the report.

I havent tried out the scapeshift list yet but I'm wondering, how good is eternal witness here? Feels like she doesn't have as many targets as the other nic fits lists

I played 2 huntmasters. The slot where the 3 could be was filled with scavenging ooze. I didnt really use ooze today and would have liked a 3rd huntmaster better but i feel better knowing i have some sort of gravehate in my maindeck (even the sb doesnt really have allot of gravehate)
I also cut the volrath stronghold for a 6th forest. In my testing i never found i needed the stonghold whereas you really want a green producing land in your starting hand.

The board was basically the same as the scg top8 list. I just replaced the innocent blood with a Firespout.

Eternal Witness is very good in Scapewish. It lets you get back countered/killed win-cons like Scapeshift/Titan or Burning Wish...it's also good against Combo and Control in conjunction with Cabal Therapy/Duress/Red Blasts etc. etc.. You can bring back wastelanded Valakut to enable the win (sometimes it can happen to lose both valakuts). You can bring back Deed/Pyroclasm/Damnation or Huntmaster against Aggro...
it also enables a fast win when you got Wish/Scapeshift in hand. Just get back an Explorer (sometimes Wood Elves) and with therapy/tower you got the 7/8 lands VERY fast. btw: double Explorer trigger is WIN most of the times

@TheArchitect

I think Dueling Grounds makes for an interesting alternative but you would have to build around it. Grave Titan wouldn't necessarily be out but I think creatures with evasion and perhaps a different "Comes into play" or "Goes to the graveyard" ability (like Kokusho) would be the order of the day. Upside of it is that it can be put back into play with Sun Titan.

Dueling Grounds combos with Maze of Ith as well.

I need help with the mana base for the BUG nightmare/palinchron combo deck...

you got to splash White for Unburial Rites flashback so I don't know how to adapt the mana base correctly. I might also play 4 Meddling Mages in the SB and some other W tutorable hate card...
for draw I play 4 Brainstorm, 2 Baleful Strix. Then 3 Intuition and the other stuff

I tried this: (22 Lands)
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Bayou
3 Tropical
1 U'Sea
3 Forest
2 Island
2 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Misty Rainforest

I might just cut the palinchron combo in the end, at least after sideboarding because it is fragile to GY hate the same as "Life from the Loam" decks.
Also, Kederekt Leviathan is not that GY-fragile & the better (more solid) win condition in the metagame, it saves the game because of the Board Reset. Oh, and you don't need Nightmare to combo off. Leviathan has more applications than Palinchron and doesn't need other cards to be effective.

Would Nic fit be a good place to start legacy? I love the way the deck looks and it seems like something id be willing to play.

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Originally Posted by DroidX

Would Nic fit be a good place to start legacy? I love the way the deck looks and it seems like something id be willing to play.

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the only problem with starting out with Nic Fit is that it doesn't have an abundance of crossover cards, you'll be pretty much locked into playing it if you build it. which is fine if you have proxied and determined that this is a deck you like to play.

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Originally Posted by Rekk

the only problem with starting out with Nic Fit is that it doesn't have an abundance of crossover cards, you'll be pretty much locked into playing it if you build it. which is fine if you have proxied and determined that this is a deck you like to play.

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Its also not a very easy deck to play. If money isnt really too much of an issue, then by all means go for it.

But theres other decks that require smaller investment and the cards can be used for other decks. For example: you can make burn for like 100$, and if you want, build it into a janky UR delver and slowly start adding the money cards (FoW, dual lands, etc) and then you can build that in RUG if your ready for a big investment.