[Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

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Originally Posted by LOLWut

From what I can see, tournaments and the format are getting bigger, while prices are dropping. A little bit of recoil from prices getting jacked up too high, but mostly ... China, my man, puttin' in work, printing those lovely sheets.

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I doubt the evil Chinaman is responsible for this. SCG was just a bunch of dicks for upping the prices to a ridiculous high just because and prices are now stabilizing at a more normal, justified level, considering the demand.

I think Wizards still haven't realised how big the playerbase boom was in recent years, and doing a piss poor job of satisfying demand.

I mean when I can move so-called EDH Jank like Phyrexian Altar or Idyllic Tutor for 12 bucks in a heartbeat, that have been rotting in a shoebox for 2 years from jank drafts, that should make one think.

And it's the same about competitive formats, you can be over the moon that the recent Modern GP was 2400 players, but one has to wonder how big the tournament could have been had we had staples like fetches and Bobs and Cliques in the 15-20$ range not in the 50-60$s.

People are saying that a Yugioh style reprint policy would completely collapse prices, but at this rate I think they could reprint stuff like Tarmogoyf at uncommon and they would still carry a hefty price tag.

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

Iguess that it is a wedge block?

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this is all I meant.

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Originally Posted by lordofthepit

What Khans info?

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People are speculating a reprint in Onslaught fetches.

It would make sense to me since Modern could use em to bring down zendikar fetches and it gives a nod towards legacy prices. It also helps out off color decks in modern by giving them the manabase they need.

Meh, my vote goes to a cycle of enemy Talisman. Fuuuuck fetches

I'd love to see a reprint of ONS fetches, maybe I'll build some WG hotness for Morden.

However, I'd also love to see:
- a new cycle of Mirage fetches, this time in enemy colors
- a new cycle of triple lands similar to Murmuring Bosk
- a new cycle of cheap duals with basic land types, and by cheap, I mean really cheap, something that bad that it could occupy the uncommon slot.

All these things got their merit.

The Mirage cycle is unfinished for nearly two decades. It's an insult to the whole MtG community! :tongue:
Triple lands might or might not be finished, as the Bosk is quite exceptional, otoh, LRW block is long gone, so it's not like there¨s some trouble flavour-wise.
While the last idea might seem silly, I think that for the EDH purpose (and all the poor people out there), a cycle of cheap duals that might be found by (cheap) fetches should be done. I know that etb tapped is the most obvious drawback and the most usual, so if WotC could invent something more thrilling, I'm fine with it. But now I'm really satisifed with something like "land - basic type basic type; etb tapped, opponent gains one life".


But back to the ONS fetches: they should reprint them.


edit: What's the general opinion on Krosan Verge in other colours?

The thing about reprinting the ONS fetches is that Wizards has already shown hesitation towards reprinting expensive cards, they do stuff like reprint a single, kind of expensive card like Thoughtsieze, or release a couple of them in a limited set like modern masters, which even still only had Goyf, Confidant and Clique. Reprinting that many cards in a regular set would be unprecedented.

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Originally Posted by phonics

The thing about reprinting the ONS fetches is that Wizards has already shown hesitation towards reprinting expensive cards, they do stuff like reprint a single, kind of expensive card like Thoughtsieze, or release a couple of them in a limited set like modern masters, which even still only had Goyf, Confidant and Clique. Reprinting that many cards in a regular set would be unprecedented.

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IIRC shock lands were getting up into the $30s and $40s before they reprinted all of them in the new rav blocks. I'm not sure what their true opinion is on the matter, but at the very least I think reprinting necessary lands is far more reasonable than just reprinting every expensive card.

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Originally Posted by phonics

The thing about reprinting the ONS fetches is that Wizards has already shown hesitation towards reprinting expensive cards, they do stuff like reprint a single, kind of expensive card like Thoughtsieze, or release a couple of them in a limited set like modern masters, which even still only had Goyf, Confidant and Clique. Reprinting that many cards in a regular set would be unprecedented.

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People are going on a rampage if they don't reprint fetches soon. And this includes the ONS fetches.

And if Wizards doesn't the Chinese probably will.

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ignition

IIRC shock lands were getting up into the $30s and $40s before they reprinted all of them in the new rav blocks. I'm not sure what their true opinion is on the matter, but at the very least I think reprinting necessary lands is far more reasonable than just reprinting every expensive card.

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Yeah, but the cheapest ONS fetch is about as expensive as the most expensive shockland pre-reprint, and Polluted Delta is reaching goyf levels. Don't get me wrong, I think they should have reprinted them a long time ago, but after being disillusioned by Wizards' handing of reprints for the most part, I wouldn't be surprised if they find another way to slowly increase supply but not enough to have any effect on prices.

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Originally Posted by phonics

Yeah, but the cheapest ONS fetch is about as expensive as the most expensive shockland pre-reprint, and Polluted Delta is reaching goyf levels. Don't get me wrong, I think they should have reprinted them a long time ago, but after being disillusioned by Wizards' handing of reprints for the most part, I wouldn't be surprised if they find another way to slowly increase supply but not enough to have any effect on prices.

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Not sure what you're getting at. Speculation was high that Marsh Flats would appear in the Modern Event Deck, but that sure didn't happen. Fetches will either be in Khans, or they'll be in Modern Masters 2, or they'll be in some set to be named in the future, or they won't be coming back at all and WOTC will just be printing more Caves of Koilos.

does everyone agree that at some point Wizards will reprint the ONS fetches for modern
it seems crazy that they would only have half of the fetches in such an important format
in that case it's a matter of when
from Wizards side they will reprint when they need to sell a block
like they did shocks in ravnica post kamigawa
the last two sets in theros didn't sell that well so it may be time
or they may wait a couple more blocks
i wonder whether the reprinting will increase the values of the originals
probably not but they probably won't crash either

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Originally Posted by jamesh

i wonder whether the reprinting will increase the values of the originals
probably not but they probably won't crash either

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I guess it will increase the price. They won't become less important in Eteranl, yet another non-rotating format absorbs them, moreover they'll be necessary in Type2.

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Originally Posted by jamesh

does everyone agree that at some point Wizards will reprint the ONS fetches for modern
it seems crazy that they would only have half of the fetches in such an important format

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I believe that Modern is why they won't reprint them in any kind of normal set. WotC has mentioned in the past the problem with mana being too good in formats that aren't truly Eternal, and I don't think they'll reprint the ONS fetches in a Modern-legal set because of their hesitance to make Modern's mana even better.

Maro has said on his blog that Wizards will not print half land sets in blocks anymore. He also quite blatantly said, when fetches are reprinted, they will be as a set of ten.

Edit. Auto correct.

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Originally Posted by Dice_Box

Maro has said on his blog that Wizards will not print half land sets in blocks anymore. He also quite blatantly said, when fetches are reprinted, they will be as a set of ten.

Edit. Auto correct.

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Does that mean that the other half of the pain lands will be reprinted?

Maybe in the next block, but none of the comments Maro has made has said they planed to hold Core sets to the same rules as they will blocks.

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Originally Posted by Dice_Box

Maro has said on his blog that Wizards will not print half land sets in blocks anymore. He also quite blatantly said, when fetches are reprinted, they will be as a set of ten.

Edit. Auto correct.

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Well that clears up fetches, but hmm. I wonder how this applies to (other) sets which are/were strictly 5 before they later became 10? Talking about painlands, checklands, and so on. They just printed the enemy-only painlands in m15 right? So it seems a bit discretionary.

The issue is, when the choice is made and when a set is decided can be at two different points. So M15 could have been set a year ago and the change to set printing rule made 6 months ago.

Also, as far as I can remember, it was to be a "From this point on" thing with no promises of looking at past incomplete sets.

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Fuck you auto correct.

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Originally Posted by Bed Decks Palyer

- a new cycle of cheap duals with basic land types, and by cheap, I mean really cheap, something that bad that it could occupy the uncommon slot.

All these things got their merit.

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Mardu Crapland
Land - Mountain Swamp Plains
Spend mana from ~this only to cast an Orc, Skeleton, or Cleric.

:puke:

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Originally Posted by TheAardvark

I believe that Modern is why they won't reprint them in any kind of normal set. WotC has mentioned in the past the problem with mana being too good in formats that aren't truly Eternal, and I don't think they'll reprint the ONS fetches in a Modern-legal set because of their hesitance to make Modern's mana even better.

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Except they (well, Tom LaPille anyway) noted that it was odd that Modern was starting out without the allied fetchlands and indicated that this would be changed at some point in the future. As you can see from here:

"As with any format, there are some cards whose conspicuous absence will be felt. In particular, the Onslaught fetch lands feel like a strange omission, when the Zendikar fetch lands combined with the Ravnica dual lands will likely be important to the format's mana bases. I admit that it is strange. However, right before Zendikar released, the format contained only Onslaught fetch lands. I played many Extended tournaments with a green-blue deck that would have loved the option to find a Forest with Misty Rainforest, but I made do with Polluted Deltas, Flooded Strands, and a few Breeding Pools. For now, the lack of allied-color fetch lands would be one of the format's idiosyncrasies. There would be others that we would discover over time, and that's okay too."

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Originally Posted by Dice_Box

Maro has said on his blog that Wizards will not print half land sets in blocks anymore. He also quite blatantly said, when fetches are reprinted, they will be as a set of ten.

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Where did he say that? I know he's mentioned how they want to give people access to 10 dual lands whenever possible, but not anything about them not printing half land sets in a block. And unless there's some extremely recent post I missed, I can't think of any "blatant" claim that fetchlands will be in a set of 10.

I will try and find the post when I have access to my pc, but I night not be able to. He posts a lot and that will leave me with no small amount of fluff to look though.

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Originally Posted by Lord Seth

Except they (well, Tom LaPille anyway) noted that it was odd that Modern was starting out without the allied fetchlands and indicated that this would be changed at some point in the future. As you can see from here:

"As with any format, there are some cards whose conspicuous absence will be felt. In particular, the Onslaught fetch lands feel like a strange omission, when the Zendikar fetch lands combined with the Ravnica dual lands will likely be important to the format's mana bases. I admit that it is strange. However, right before Zendikar released, the format contained only Onslaught fetch lands. I played many Extended tournaments with a green-blue deck that would have loved the option to find a Forest with Misty Rainforest, but I made do with Polluted Deltas, Flooded Strands, and a few Breeding Pools. For now, the lack of allied-color fetch lands would be one of the format's idiosyncrasies. There would be others that we would discover over time, and that's okay too."

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So, contradicting statements from them, it seems. I will say that I think it's a mistake to have the ONS fetches Modern legal, but also believe that they need a large scale reprint. But whatevs.

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Originally Posted by Meekrab

Mardu Crapland
Land - Mountain Swamp Plains
Spend mana from ~this only to cast an Orc, Skeleton, or Cleric.

:puke:

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Thrown Stone :r:
Tribal Instant - Orc
~ does 3 dmg to target


Nyctophobia :b::b:
Tribal Sorcery - Skeleton
Target player discards two
cards at random.


Chapel of Peace :2::w::w:
Tribal Enchantment - Cleric
Non-flying creatures can't
attack.


:tongue:


I got some needless ONS fetchlands and right now I'm quite uncertain what to do with them. Should I sold them asap, or should I keep them? I think that the best idea is to keep them, because the reprints weren't even announced, let alone happened. It may take another years of waiting before WotC finally repirnts them. In fact I don't exactly understand how they wish to keep Modern available without another print run of shocklands and without several other prints of fetches.
Unless, of course, they want Modern to become a go-to Eternal format with all the aspets of today's and yesterday's Eternal formats: expensive staples, need for devotion, etc.

All three of those cards make really stupid mono-color archetypes viable and don't actually help a typical RBW deck that much.

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Originally Posted by Meekrab

All three of those cards make really stupid mono-color archetypes viable and don't actually help a typical RBW deck that much.

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What's bad about monocolred decks? Also... they were more of a joke cards than real suggestions/wishes. :confused:

When the fuck did Chains of Mephistopheles become a $400 card?

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Originally Posted by majikal

When the fuck did Chains of Mephistopheles become a $400 card?

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I think it started to REALLY spike around the time Sneak and Show was being played everywhere.

Also, Legacy (and Modern) staples have spiked in the past 8-12 months. While I am not saying Chains is a staple, Brainstorm is. Chains hates on Brainstorm. Maybe that is why it really spiked.

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Originally Posted by cab0747

I think it started to REALLY spike around the time Sneak and Show was being played everywhere.

Also, Legacy (and Modern) staples have spiked in the past 8-12 months. While I am not saying Chains is a staple, Brainstorm is. Chains hates on Brainstorm. Maybe that is why it really spiked.

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Yeah, SCG increased their price to 400$. You can still get it cheaper even at other major retailers, Card Kingdom is still selling for 300$. Anyway, the card is a great sideboard card. I use 2 in my Jund SB, and mainly bring it in to hate on powerful card draw engines: Griselbrand, Glimpse of Nature, Elvish Visionary, Time Spiral, Argothian Enchantress, etc. Hurting Brainstorm and the cantrips is just a bonus.

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Originally Posted by Dice_Box

Maro has said on his blog that Wizards will not print half land sets in blocks anymore. He also quite blatantly said, when fetches are reprinted, they will be as a set of ten.

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Not sure where I gathered the info but stated was next FTW is called FTW Fetched. So there you go, limited print, not modern legal, a set if ten, wont shake up a thing.
I'm also in hope it's not true.

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Originally Posted by Vicar in a tutu

Yeah, SCG increased their price to 400$. You can still get it cheaper even at other major retailers, Card Kingdom is still selling for 300$. Anyway, the card is a great sideboard card. I use 2 in my Jund SB, and mainly bring it in to hate on powerful card draw engines: Griselbrand, Glimpse of Nature, Elvish Visionary, Time Spiral, Argothian Enchantress, etc. Hurting Brainstorm and the cantrips is just a bonus.

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Good call on Girselbrand, Glimpse, etc. I don't have the card (let alone 2 copies) so I just know the basic uses :laugh:

Beta duals are out of control at Starcity. They are asking 4k for USea with none in stock , so somebody is paying that price. That's actually considerably more than a Mox Sapphire. The dual land situation is completely out of hand.

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Originally Posted by Finn

Beta duals are out of control at Starcity. They are asking 4k for USea with none in stock , so somebody is paying that price. That's actually considerably more than a Mox Sapphire. The dual land situation is completely out of hand.

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no one is paying that price it just means they haven't had any sold to them since they sold out at $2000...

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Originally Posted by Finn

Beta duals are out of control at Starcity. They are asking 4k for USea with none in stock , so somebody is paying that price. That's actually considerably more than a Mox Sapphire. The dual land situation is completely out of hand.

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They've always asked WAY high prices for their duals, and it has been this way for a while. Privately, NM Seas are trading hands at 3ish K already, so I'm not surprised SCG just jacks up their price anyway. I've had more people ask me for Beta duals in the last year than in the previous three, so I think people with money are trying to finish pimping, or, there's a few people out there buying up NM's and having them graded.

Either way, I'm glad I finished my set.

-Matt

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Originally Posted by mini1337s

I've heard ok things about Pucatrade, but never tried it out.

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I just started using Pucatrade this week and I really like it so far. I've been able to unload a fair amount of chaff and I'm going to turn it into either (a.) Guru lands or (b.) finishing Shardless BUG. It's definitely not everyone's cup of tea, but it allows for straight trading while losing little-no value on your cards.

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Originally Posted by Arsenal

I just started using Pucatrade this week and I really like it so far. I've been able to unload a fair amount of chaff and I'm going to turn it into either (a.) Guru lands or (b.) finishing Shardless BUG. It's definitely not everyone's cup of tea, but it allows for straight trading while losing little-no value on your cards.

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How is Pucatrade compared to Deckbox? I've been looking for a new trading site to use since MOTL is just such a pain in my ass to use.

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Originally Posted by Esper3k

How is Pucatrade compared to Deckbox? I've been looking for a new trading site to use since MOTL is just such a pain in my ass to use.

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I've never used Deckbox (other than to organize my massive collection), so I can't tell you how they compare. I can tell you that Pucatrade has allowed me to turn my chaff (FNM promos, average Standard rares ripped from boosters) into $57 worth of pucapoints that I can now use to acquire my playset of Shardless Agent.... or I can save my points and try to acquire something like a GURU land.

EDIT: So I signed up this past Monday and I also upgraded to Silver (Uncommon) level membership too. With the account bonuses and all the product I've sent, I'll be at 18639 points, which is $186.39. Once all the points are credited to my account, I'll look into acquiring a GURU Plains or just finish out Shardless BUG. Pucatrade is definitely a sender's market.

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Originally Posted by Finn

Beta duals are out of control at Starcity. They are asking 4k for USea with none in stock , so somebody is paying that price. That's actually considerably more than a Mox Sapphire. The dual land situation is completely out of hand.

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SCGs website price varies greatly from their full stock of stuff (what they brought to Gencon for example). I think if you are looking for pristine condition alpha/beta duals it's a sellers market at this point. They aren't required for legacy or vintage and the people picking up the ones in nice shape are clearly collectors so there's always going to be a premium. SCG heavily discounts it's played stuff in person because they (I assume) don't want to sell it online and risk returns based on grading discrepancies. I got an Alpha Trop for $800.

Why are people buying Maralen of the Mornsong at the moment?

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Originally Posted by Seraph2k

Why are people buying Maralen of the Mornsong at the moment?

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what's the hype?