what is quasali pridemage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loxodon Baileyarch
also, why do you think those cards are gay?
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what is quasali pridemage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loxodon Baileyarch
also, why do you think those cards are gay?
It's a card in Alara Reborn. It's 2/2 exalted guy for GW with 1: sac destroy target artifact and enchantment; he's very much like Watchwolf but with a cool ability. It's a creature based answer to troublesome artifacts and enchantments that is also cheaper than Duergar Hedge-Mage; a great card indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by nix
@nix: I think and know those cards are gay, because i have to play against them with my favorite deck every week, and they made my favorite deck lose. Like i said in my tourney report, i lose to Shackles and the same kid playing Shackles every week, even when i board in 11 cards.
@Pulp Fiction: Yeah Chain is coming out, i was debating what to use up until my first round, so i just threw em in. I didn't cast em the entire tourney, and when i could have, my GoyfSligh opponent had like 4 red sources out and was ahead in life total. I like Watchwolf, but i hate that his mana cost. I know this next statement doesn't make sense, but i just don't want more GWcc creatures in the deck ya know?
And i agree on Thoctar. He could just as well be another 2 drop or something. I never want to cast him, and when i do i've already won anyway. I'd rather not be tapping out or playing 2 creatures instead of one.
Anyway, somewhat of a shameless plug, but I have a zoo list that I've worked on that I'd like feedback on at http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=13524.
I didn't post it here though since it's so much different and doesn't even follow the colors very much anymore, so I didn't want to clutter up this thread.
@Valtrix: How is that post relevant at all!? Sorry if i'm being a dick, but just randomly posting some deck in the middle of a decent thread discussion, just doesn't make sense.
Reminds me of some sort of advertising thing.
Because it uses a lot of things people have occasionally brought up in the past. Just because it's not straight RGW doesn't mean that it doesn't have similar qualities to it. I don't see the point of attacking my post when you want to not have irrelevant posts "in the middle of a decent thread". The whole point was to not waste a lot of space here because I know the deck is quite a bit different, which is why I knew better not to start a discussion here. However, I think it has a lot of ideas that still apply to this style of deck, and since I developed it from this style of deck I wanted opinions from people who might have been playing these style decks for longer.
I could get into a debate more, but I'd prefer to just leave it at that. If you really want to discuss why or why it shouldn't have been posted here, then make a post in my thread instead.
Rabble Rabble Rabble.
Cascade creature in teh RGW Zoo? Seems terrible-ish.
Let's talk :cool:
so i was reading this thread and i strongly disagree with cursed scroll. grim lavamancer is strictly better; its cursed scroll that can swing and has a more effective ability.
@Patrunkenphat7: "R/G/W Zoo is a strange aggro deck, it is fast in the early game, but because the creatures are so effective it also has pretty good mid-late game! The card is just too valuable not to play, when the deck runs out of gas it is very nice to have a permanent 2 damage source that can’t be burned away or StPed! But everyone dismisses it based on goldfish speed, and it should absolutely be included in the deck."
Quote from the beginning of the Primer. I'll also note, a permanent 2 damage source that can’t be burned away or StPed.
LOL, this has been covered so many times. Play Cursed Scroll against real opponents then pass judgment. Regarding the newer Zoo list with Pridemage, I this is what I am thinking but with no testing as of yet:
4x Tarmogoyf
4x Kird Ape
4x Wild Nactal
4x Watchwolf
4x Qasali Pridemage
2x Isamaru, Hound of Konda
1x Woolly Thoctar
4x Swords to PlowShares
4x Lightning Helix
4x Lighting Bolt
2x Cursed Scroll
2x Jitte
4x Wooded Foothills
4x Windswept Heath
3x Taiga
3x Plateau
3x Savannah
1x Horizon Canopy
1x Mountain
1x Plains
1x Forest
Now I love the Pridemage already and am thinking about how good he is against like 85% of the format, but he just sucks against Goblins and Merfolk. Perhaps Pyroclams will be needed to go back into the board but I'm not totally sure on that. I also don't think you would want to run any less than 4 since it answers everything that sucks for this deck and gives the deck a way to disrupt combo mainboard (killing LEDs and shit). Overall its a solid bear that kills Shackles, Chalice, and Deed .... pretty damn good!
Amen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pulp_Fiction
But yeah the list looks good. I still have some concerns with GW even though it doesn't make sense due to our good mana base. Whatever though it'll get tested no worries. And this guy is common so foil playset here i come :cool:
Also to anyone that doesn't know, NullRod Sideboard is the new tech. Me and my buddy have been running it for a few weeks, and it's amazing.
i mean considering there were no zoo decks running cursed scroll in the top 132 players at Grand Prix Chicago... and a grim lavamancer zoo deck placed 8th... that has to say something about 'real opponents'
Yes, very good post Pat, insightful and contributes nothing to the thread. Welcome to my ignore list!
The new cascade creature thing seems pretty terrible. If you are going to spend 4 mana on a creature something like: Rumbling Slum, Blastoderm, Spearbreaker Behemoth, and possibly even Giant Solifuge (fuck Shackles) just seem better. Whole point of Zoo is to have better creatures than your opponent. I was skeptical of the new Pridemage cause he blocks like a shitty 2/2 for 2 mana but his two abilities are sooooooo useful that it doesn't matter! But a 4 mana 3/2 haster with cascade .... eh its ok but certainly not right for the deck.
And adding on to Null Rod as some super hot SB cards .... YES! Fucks up Affinity big time and just hoses combo. Only downside is that it can be Duressed out of your hand, but thats also why Teeg is in the board!
What is so wrong with what Pat said, except for the little stab at the end? I haven't checked it, but if he's right, that is the data: zero zoo decks in the top 132 played cursed scroll. You can use the same knowledge for other decks like I have for goblins, seeing that Rg goblins was the most popular in day 2 by a large margin, and that has influenced my build. I don't think it's fair to just dismiss pat, even though cursed scroll has been talked about extensively. A huge event like GP Chicago is a good indicator of how good certain cards are in an unknown/balanced/however-you-wanna-look-at-it metagame. We don't want to become inbred on the source. We've all seen how the source missed the mark on black disruption decks as two made the top eight. Cursed Scroll work for you? Fine. But don't just dismiss people based on your experience and the previous pages of the thread, especially when they have the data to back it up.
I think making statements about what cards were used the Grand Prix are just too broad though. Just because some guy top 8ed with it doesn't make it good ya know? Too many go into determining stuff like that. For all you know, the players with Cursed Scroll coulda gotten Combo MUs or like got mana screwed the entire day. It's just too broad. But enough with the topic, on to something else.
Null Rod is just too good. It stops SDT, Shackles, Vial, etc. It's just amazing hands down. I just think this deck got a super boost with the Pridemage tbh, and based on some recent testing it's not just a hype. It's just awesome.
man i really wish you guys wouldnt keep attacking me, i was a little sarcastic just to defend myself when i was attacked for what i said before.
i do think grim lavamancer is legitimate to discuss, ive been testing him a lot and hes really good. i will also say that null rod seems quite good, i think ill try it out. note that it does hurt you if you're playing cursed scroll over grim lavamancer though.
Please... i'll stop disagreeing with you... if you just use proper capitalization...Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrunkenphat7
I went ahead and tried out an updated list with Pridemage and that thing is AMAZING! He doesn't really hurt the speed very much, swinging for 5 on turn 3 is not bad at all after swinging for 4 on turn 2! This happens quite regularly. Just to be defiant about the Cursed Scroll debate I cut the final Thoctar (because I didn't like just 1) and put in a third Cursed Scroll .... and really liked it!!! Most matchups I truly want to draw Scroll in, it is especially useful against anything blue! Only matchups where it just sucks is the combo match. Scroll reliably kills every creature in both Goblins and Merfolk by itself! But this has already been discussed so I'm done debating how good Cursed Scroll is.
Another massive prop to the Pridemage, I was considering adding Enchantment destruction to the board ..... now its not necessary! 3x Ancient Grudge it stays!! I LOVE this card!! Only concern is drawing him late game against any savage aggro deck since Zoo's creatures always outclass the opponents, you are now drawing a bear who blocks like one :( But his utility should more than make up for being a 2/2.
haha whatever man. i just wanted to discuss some magic but oh well, im out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loxodon Baileyarch
And just because people may have "bad matchups" with "good" cards doesn't make them good. I would also agree that many people in this thread respond pretty harshly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loxodon Baileyarch
ANyway, lavamancer really isn't that good in this deck. He doesn't actually get that much damage through, and the two cards from the graveyard + mana is actually quite a heavy price. It's both counter-productive with goyf, and you don't actually get that many cards in your graveyard usually. You might as well run jitte or more removal (see path). Plus, the 2 damage isn't that useful in today's metagame. There really aren't a lot of decks with small creatures.