Wow it's even an instant. SO GOOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by rukcus
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Wow it's even an instant. SO GOOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by rukcus
Speaking of obscure cards with latent potential, what about Metalworker? So much hope and hype with the card when it got unbanned yet so weak and inconsistent.
I think Metalworker is incredibly powerful. However, the deck that did well with him, is inconsistent. It usually can't even beat 1x Swords to Plowshares. While it's powerful in Vintage due to the lack of creature removal, in Legacy, this is a different animal.
Has anyone toyed around with Baloth Cage Trap? It seems pretty good considering a metagame with a bunch of Affinity...and considering it's a GREEN 2-mana response to Batterskull. The artifact doesn't have to be played...just enter the battlefield under an opponent's control. Extra cookies if you have mana to cast both an artifact hate AND a Cage Trap the same turn...
I'm also eyeballing Ravenous Trap for grave hate again. It may not always be the best approach, but I like my grave hate to be:
1) Instant speed
2) FREE
I love Surgical Extraction for that reason, I've used Faerie Macabre with scattered success, and Ravenous Trap seems like a decent option as well. Tormod's Crypt is the classic free grave hate...but can't be dug out and played pronto via Brainstorm.
Baloth Cage Trap is worse than tarmogoyf even when it can be played for the trap cost, it just sucks. And it's not like there aren't better option for artifact hate (Smash to smithereen? Krosan Grip? Nature's Grasp? The shatter with G flashback? Shattering Spree? Viridian Shaman? etc...)
For the cost of the Baloth trap, you could just play 'goyf in your main phase. Also, I don't see a while lot of Affinity running around. While there's an artifact or two (Vial, Top, Sword of *and*), I really don't think that's enough to make trap good enough.
I figured...it just seems cool to be able to play a 4/4 at instant speed. Sure there are better hates out there, but they are limited in what they can do. A 4/4 can smash face. I'm thinking more kitchen table here, but I think it's decent.
Any thoughts on Ravenous Trap?
Is this card even good? I can't tell.
Necrologia
Well, it's a one-shot Necropotence for 5. It SEEMS good, but falls a little too uncomfortable on the high end of playable converted costs (5) for legacy. The real question is: is this better than Ad Nauseum, it's closest equivalent? I would say no...but it could be a way for ANT to play 8 Ad Nauseums (but why would you want to do that?)
Do you have a use in mind for this android, or are you just keeping that hush-hush and holding out on us? :eyebrow:
Nope, was just sorting some old cards and noticed someone out there bought up all copies at SCG.
I was making the same comparison in my head with AN but there are some obvious differences:
Anything over 7, your ditching (right?)
If you intend to win with it, you only care about instants
Any main phase flexibility is lost so your storm win needs to be an instant and win with a storm count of less than 20.
At least that was my deduction.
Quicken would like to have a word with your Tendrils of Agony.Quote:
Originally Posted by android
We tried a deck around Necrologia and Insidious Dreams in the stormboards. Them are like Ad Nauseam and Doomsday at Instant speed and can play with Fow and 8 spirit guides maindeck.Quote:
Originally Posted by android
It doesn't work. We can't get enough Instant Initial Mana Sources to chain rituals. Black mainly. And Quicken + Tendrils is an ugly win condition.
It could be ok if Wizards print Zombie Spirit Guide, but I doubt that they think about it.
I remember having toyed with Necrologia at some point. Its home should be a Solidarity shell with 4 Frantic Search and probably a white splash for Chant/Silence. Right now that's only viable in Vintage, and I don't think it's even casual. However, I firmly think that if Necrologia can be exploited, it has to be in a deck like that.
I've been thinking about this...and what if it was just a really good draw spell, and not a tutor like we're assuming it would be? Draw 7 cards for 7 life and 5 mana? In standard, you get a whopping 3 card for 5 mana (that jace-flavored draw spell that hit in M11...) It's possible that it could be a way to start fresh with 7 new cards if your combo deck just got hated out badlyl. I'm thinking recovery, not initial combo attempt. *shrug* still sounds bad, lol...
How bout
http://i.imgur.com/pYOq5.jpg
Perma voltaic key. I want to build some weird casual deck with mana elves, all decent mana artifacts(grim monolith, dynamo, basalth monolith) to get some stupid thing like phyrexian colossus into play, or colossus of sardia for that old school flavor(obviously emakrul/blightsteel are better, but it's fun to use my homeboy from sardia). Even better-phyrexian processor, pay 10 life, bam a 10/10. During their upkeep/endstep BAM another 10/10. This will be really fun in casual. What is the tinkerish card that lets you tutor for an artifact?
Scrubby, why don't you use an even bigger image so we can see the hidden potential of this card even better.
Whoa hey sorry to ruin your day! I'll fix that straight away.
Is it one of these?Quote:
Originally Posted by scrubbysniff
Shape Anew
Fabricate
Reshape
I tried to pencil something out with 4x Soul Spike + 4x Fireblast but it's also not there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gocho