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Hideous Laughter can't beat Gaddock Teeg.
The problem with relying on just Firemind's Foresight in the sideboard is that you don't have access to Wish->tutor.
When you build your maindeck, you have to be careful. For basically any playable card, I can craft a situation where that is the only card that can win you the game. Our brains are actually hardwired to remember these cases and ignore all the cases where you lose because you don't have the cheaper, less flashy card.
Tom the card you are looking for is sudden spoiling. And I clearly wouldn't run it.
Thwart cannot be played in more than 1 copy. I don't think the first one is better than anything else, so no.
Tefeiri's realm has been on my list of to be tested cards for 5 weeks, but with cunning wish it's hard to run them. I would try in a metagame with no tempo decks but a lot of hate.
Have you made any changes to your list or sideboard Lejay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lejay
No. But I didn't play much neither.
It's a pity that there's no white version of Hibernation.
Did you ever consider Ancestral Vision? It is admittedly worse than both, but I wonder if you could use it to replace both Leyline of Sanctity and Defense Grid to free up extra sideboard slots against other decks.
It has been considered at the very beginning, even in the main deck as a way to combo with less dead cards. The idea was to combo with draw spells that could be used before the combo. It was quickly dismissed as the games aren't long enough for that to happen. The same problem will arise if you use it as sideboard against discard. Ancestral won't be good enough outside of the opening hand, less good when in it, and LLoS is useful against some combo decks.
Sure, but I have played Intuition in the board and have almost never had the need, want, or time to Wish for Intuition when Foresight wouldn't do the same thing. Wishing for Intuition to find Show and Tell or Omniscience was simply too slow. The only time you would Wish for Intuition for Enter is if you already have Omniscience/Dream Halls in play. In that situation, Foresight does the same thing. Making the most of your sideboard slots is arguably the most important part of this deck and cutting the Intuition has freed one up for me. If you're not playing Foresight, then Intuition is certainly necessary in the board. If further testing shows I want Intuition in the board, I'll certainly put it back there, but for now I'm gonna keep winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anusien
Also, having the miser's tutor in the maindeck to cantrip into has actually been awesome.
Aside from the obvious that you have to have omni or DH already in play to cast foresight. The intuition is there for when you are stuck with no cantrips and are missing a crucial piece. It's molasses slow, obviously, but end step wish, next turn intuition has saved me numerous times.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyT
I absolutely agree, CBalance is THE card to keep off the table in this matchup.Quote:
Originally Posted by catmint
I know, but the Hassloch metagame does not care about that. Some dude will always bring it to the tournament (the Dredge player that won last month for example has no other deck, so he will be playing that coming Sunday again. Same is true for the DnT player I lost against in Mannheim).Quote:
According to the Mai DTB matchup Reanimator, dredge and death and taxes (on ranks 12 - 14) are not really popular.
Yes, I agree. I am thinking about trying Divert in the SB, that could be a hell of fun to deflect Hymns and Thoughtseizes.Quote:
Discard is very popular with Esper, Jund and Team America raking 2, 4 and 6. In terms of beeing most resilient to manadenial and taxing counters I agree with omniclash beeing better than sneak and show. But sneak and show packing 2-3 misdirections and 2-3 pierces maindeck plus the 4 leylines does have way more resilience against discard. It can also just slam down a sneak attack and cantrip and does not need to assemble a 3 card combo in the hand.
I don't think Divert is a good sideboard slot. You already run 4 leylines, which you cannot short change because you can't really cast it. If you do add divert, it will just thin your win conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adan
From my experience, the divert is not really worth it either. I have played 2 local events (4 rounds each) with a misdirection in the board. I never brought it in, not even vs decks like BUG delver because I could not find a card to cut.
I'd just cut the Leylines for Divert. So far LLoS has been shit to me. Topdecking them in the mid-game makes me want to quit Magic over and over again. I just play them because Hassloch has like 3 people who - for some reason - think that Pox is a competitive deck. And redirecting a Toughtseize or a Hymn to themselves sounds sexy. It can also act as a Spell Pierce during counterwars, so it's not a bad card per se.Quote:
Originally Posted by KobeBryan
The metagame of Hassloch is just wierd, there is no optimal SB option. There is an equal portion of deck against which Leyline is very good and some against which Thoughseize would be brilliant. And Divert could be a compromise, even though it's the least spectacular card of these 3.
thoughts on the UR delver matchup lejay?
Didn't test but seems like the deck has a ton of weapons against it.
UR Delver is probably not much different from CanThresh. It can be tricky.
I went 4-2-0 today.
Affinity 2-0
UBR Nic Fit 2-0
Esperblade 2-0
CanThresh 1-2
MUD 0-2
Enchantress 2-0
The CanThresh player was obviously the best pilot there [/SARCASM]. Tapped himself out for a Goyf (3 cards in hand). I chose to wait a turn to not get blown out by 2x Daze or Daze & Force, turned out that his hand was Daze and 2x Spell Pierce. I should have slammed the SnT with Pact backup. And g3 I simply lost because this deck is still basically relying on a "3 card combo", I didn't find either EtI or CWish.
MUD was a complete mess, g1 he was on the play and dropped a 3rd Turn Lodestone Golem which I couldn't force due to Cavern of Souls on Golems, then he dropped a 2nd one on Turn 4.
And g2: turn 1 Ancient Tomb, Grim Monolith, Trinisphere, go and turn 2 Lodestone Golem. Well played.
At that point I was quite upset with the deck but the Enchantress MU last round basically demonstrated why this deck might be - IN A VACUUM - superior to SneakShow as he really had the Oblivion Ring for my Show and Tell. In that case I would not have won with a big dude (Griselbrand would have drawn 7 cards, that's it). However, with Cunning Wish and FF for Flusterstorm/BS, Trickbind and Intuition, it was a cakewalk.
Still it's not dominating everything and there are decks that are already good/well equipped against OmniHalls by nature (and I bet next tournament I will have to play against Reanimator who will destroy me with Iona). But against decks that are not prepared for this, winning could not be easier.
Divert is better than LLOS because you will only start the game with LLOS in play about 40% of the time, which means that if you got to 3 games you might get it once. Mulligaining into it aggressively is a bad idea cause now your already down a card assuming you stop at 6. If you dont get it on the mull to 6 and you try for 5 well then you already in a much worse situation than if you just have a hand of 7 and didn't draw it.
Divert is better because instead of them just drawing a card that doesn't get played, they are now wasting a turn to cast a spell to make themselves discard a card. I belive this is what you call card advantage. if you happen to hit a hymn with divert then you've hit the jackpot with a 3 for 1.
worst case, they anticipate you having it and wait till they have 3-4 lands to start making you discard. Chances are that you'll have won by then.
Discard shouldn't pose that much of a threat in general because if you play smart and keep the cards you need on the top of yournlibrary instead of in your hand they wont have anything to discard.
Divert is also castable for other roles like in a counter war, it acts as a spell pierce.
and the obvious... you cant cast LLOS...
Anyone wanna playtest divert vs. LLOS on cockatrice?
You can play the omnitell deck, i'll play the discard deck.
I'm questioning the sideboard Slaughter Pact. You also have Rushing River and Sapphire Charm to tutor for, so why play the Slaughter Pact?
It's very useful when you're limited on mana (say, 4) with a Thalia on the other side of the table. Eot Wish for Pact, own turn pact the Thalia, SnT->Win. It's one mana less than doing the same thing with Charm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom T
I wanted 4 slots in (pact, RR, charm, intuition) against Thalia decks because I have 4 cards to cut from my main deck. I prefer having a wish option than running 2nd charm, there are numerous situations where only pact can win.
@Adan : I'm surprised you seem disappointed by your result. The deck has positive match-ups against almost everything, you could have won against TT, and other than that you only lost against MUD which has some weapons and presents a lot of variance to play against.
As a whole however I am disappointed by the results from SCG. Clearly people are hating the deck a lot by reading the top8 players profiles as well as some of their sideboards (and as usual once in the top bracket people with a ton of combo hate will fold to people with less combo hate). This results in an almost no man's land of other combo decks in the top16. Outside of the 2 omnitells there is just a elf deck that is a bit less weak to the omnitell hate than sneak or storm.
Because of survival era and other periods I always thought people in the US were more inclined towards playing the best deck rather than hating it as it is the case in Europe. It seems that the fact show and tell is so dumb and because of the risk of seeing it banned, people are not many to play it and prefer to hate the deck. A good illustration is GerryT who was already working on the deck before GP Strasbourg. It would seem natural for him to get on the train but instead he chose to play Gro-a-fiend (no idea how he calls the deck, but that was the name in France after I made a good performance at BoM 2010 with it) a kiln fiend-berserk-cheapcounters deck designed to crush into combo metagames. As long as even good players prefer the hating rather than playing the best deck, we won't get show and tell banned and my call to SCG grinders will be a failure.
@apple+Kobe duo : I can save you a lot of time instead of testing. You already pointed out the best cases for divert as well as the bad cases for leyline. I guess it could be a good idea to just try to figure out what NUMEROUS cases make leyline better. I know this isn't easy but if you can turn on your brains and figure those out, you probably won't need any testing.