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Maverick type decks (Non-blue and/or fair) is exactly what we want to face because our win ratio should be close to 80%. Even a two creature combo doesn't do much since you can get through it or, if you're playing scepter like I am, soft-lock them out with Ochant.Quote:
Originally Posted by zenitramleirdag
Interesting card from the spoilers:
Oketra's Last Mercy
1WW
Sorcery
Your life total becomes equal to your starting life total. Lands you control don't untap during your next untap step.
It's a bit risky since you have to be low to make full use of it but it's still a powerful card.
Good for griselbrand style storm decks. Seems very underwhelming for parfait.
burn looks like the kind of match-up where this would shine..though we already have pulse of the fields or better yet, timely reinforcements if we need this kind of effect..the only time this would be better than pulse or timely against burn is when there's a sulfuric vortex in play..i would still play timely reinforcements over this nonetheless..Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt-Qc
I'm looking at solemnity..do you guys think its worthwhile? it seems good against infect, Chalice and Aether Vial can't get counters, and so on.....
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/ho...8946-solemnity
It might be alright as a sideboard card but your meta would have to have quite a few of infecters. It does nothing against chalice because by the time you can cast it it's already too late. Plus we already have chalice removal maindeck so we don't care too much. It does stop infect, but so does a plethora of other cards, including humility and/or blood moon. Needless to say we don't care about Marit Lage because gaining our opponent life/basic land is meaningless vs RIP/Helm.Quote:
Originally Posted by zenitramleirdag
On another note, I'm thinking of buying Tundras to try a UW version. I feel like mono W is more tuned to fight non-blue decks whereas UW would be better against blue decks. It also wouldn't hurt to make my opponents think I'm playing either version so that they will never know what I'm on... @Weapon X - Out of curiosity, why did you drop U back then?
I'm more curious about Leave//Chance, but that's probably much to mana intensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weapon X
So I've been playing with the UW version that I created it, Ive tweaked it a lot and still have been tweaking it and its been a blast. Im still trying to shore up the delver matchup but besides that I feel like I have game vs a lot of decks. Here is my current 75Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt-Qc
//Artifact (11)
2 Helm of Obedience
1 Isochron Scepter
4 Mox Diamond
3 Scroll Rack
1 Zuran Orb
//Enchantment (17)
2 Back to Basics
1 Ghostly Prison
1 Luminarch Ascension
1 Detention Sphere
3 Energy Field
1 Ghostly Prison
1 Journey to Nowhere
4 Land Tax
4 Rest in Peace
//Instant (10)
4 Enlightened Tutor
3 Orim's Chant
3 Swords to Plowshares
//Planeswalker (1)
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
//Sorcery (2)
2 Supreme Verdict
//Land (18)
4 Flooded Strand
3 Island
11 Plains
SB: 1 Circle of Protection: Red
SB: 1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 Entreat the Angels
SB: 3 Meddling Mage
SB: 1 Nevermore
SB: 1 Phyrexian Revoker
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Powder Keg
SB: 1 Propaganda
SB: 1 Runed Halo
SB: 1 Supreme Verdict
Why no oblivion ring/more detention spheres? Those cards are too versatile not to play, especially in a deck that can tutor for them.
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Originally Posted by Weapon X
Thanks for the reply! and I did about 5+ days of vigorous testing and felt that too many O-ring effects were just lackluster at times, so as for the moment I'm doing 1 Journey and 1 D-Sphere but I may add an O-Ring to the sideboard as another catch all, Honestly I went to 2 Powder Keg in the sideboard and part of me wants 1 in the main because of how great it is vs Delver and other aggressive decks
I kinda want to try a 1 of Prophyry Nodes replacing a third Wrath... It could help stabilize earlier like cast it on T3 and they won't start playing creatures again till T6 probably.
Also it's tutorable unlike wraths.
How does nodes help stabilize? If they have one creature it kills it then dies. If they have many it's not dealing with what needs to be dealt with.
Not sure if nodes it what you want, if you play blue white you can just play supreme verdict which is just betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Cpt-Qc
Oh I'm not saying it's the best, I'm just saying it looks like a fun of. It's just that I wasn't aware such a card existed until this week when someone played it at my weekly.
The optimal moment to play nodes is when they have 2 creatures out meaning they're "engaged" in a plan but it's not too late to matter. Then again, just playing 1 probably doesn't do much to support that plan.
Even tho it's a bad topdeck I think it could be playable but we'd need to maindeck many or waste a tutor to ensure we have it early...
I've played drop of honey in enchantress long ago because at worst it is still draw a card there. In parfait it's very narrow which makes it bad for us. If it lines up with your meta that's different, but it doesn't carry the versatility you want in a card choice for us otherwise.
Yo fellow Parfait worshippers!
Ill be playing around with UW in the near future. My current list;
4 Land Tax
3 Rest in Peace
2 Detention Sphere
1 Back to Basics
1 Energy Field
2 Supreme Verdict
4 Brainstorm
3 Daze
3 Enlightened Tutor
3 Swords to Plowshares
3 Orim’s Chant
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Mox Diamond
3 Scroll Rack
2 Helm of Obedience
1 Zuran Orb
1 Pithing Needle
9 Plains
4 Island
2 Tundra
4 Flooded Strand
My card choices are 1/3 cute, 1/3 backed-up by theory and 1/3 experimental :D. It is possibly outright stupid to both splash blue and keep chants in instead of packing more reactive blue spells. In my opinion chant is just so damn good and ill start with this list and see where it takes me. Any obvious must-haves i've missed? SB is going back and forth but core cards are 4 Meddling Mage and at least 2 Revokers. Having no creatures main I love to pack a SB full of em. The draw to blue personally comes from Daze which is just super cute and the theory of backing up an early Tax while also enabling it does seem quite good. Jace seems like a descent secondary win-con and Meddling Mages are fantastic imo, played quite a few fringe decks in my days aswell as straight UW blade and the Meddling Mages has always been with me and always been great.
Hey man So if you scroll up I am running UW as well! your's is different than mine as Im running no brainstorm or daze's. So I cant comment too much because if your list is working then thats great, not the biggest fan of Daze because without a Land tax it kinda hurt us as our curve is mostly 2-3 drops. I would however make space for 1-2+ more Energy Field as i found it gives you enough time to stall like if they counter the first one, you always can tutor for another etc, otherwise I like the 2 verdict as its always great to have. And for your sideboard make sure you have 1-2 more win con's vs heavy control decks or DnT you want more win con's that they have to deal with!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sereon
Yea I've seen your list and read most of this thread. Gonna try daze at a couple of weeklys before I decide what I think, if I don't like it I feel like I might lean towards Wr tax instead. As for sideboard and wincons I'm running second have along with Elspeth and a Gideon. I'll test with more energy fields, you make a good point there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninjastill
Played a weekly at my LGS yesterday with the list I posted above -1 energy field, -needle main +1 humility, + ghostly prison since I had not yet received my recently bought field. I haven't held a deck for about a year so the rust was real (also no meaningful experience with parfait)...
M1: Infect 0-2
I was basically 1 turn behind both games, he had all the permission and had nexus both games while I struggled to find either a proactive answer or instant-speed removal.
M2: Eldrazi 2-0
This felt very one-sided. Basically D-sphere on a dude followed by tutor->B2B won game 1.
Game 2 was a bit longer but I resolved B2B turn 2 and Humility turn 3. I think i comboed him on turn 8-ish.
M3: Reanimator/storm 2-0
Im playing against an unknown deck but I noticed this guy had finished previous matches very fast so I was under the impression he was not playing fair. This led me to play mox, plains into RiP on the play t1. He played a thoughtseize turn 2, I chanted his turn 3 and 4, won with helm on my turn 5.
Game two was not super exciting either. He reanimated Griselbrand on his turn two. I Sphered it when he passed. Two turns later he hardcast a grave titan. I played a supreme verdict and followed up with an elspeth the turn after. He had no answers.
M4: Goblins 2-1
This guy is very experienced, has played goblins forever and basically attends all weeklys, super nice guy aswell. Game 1 consists of me playing tax turn 1, he plays a vial and refuses to play enough lands to activate my tax, so I e-tutor for zuran orb. I plow an early lackey and proceed to resolve ghostly prison and a couple of turns later humility. It takes a while but I manage to find the combo after 2-3 scroll racks on 8ish.
Game two was fairly back and forth early turns. Of course he was on the play and went for a vial. I sworded an early lackey and proceeded to play a revoker on vial. He played a scrapper on revoker on turn 4 and started beating with a chieftain + some smaller dudes. I played a verdict and the turn after another revoker on vial. He found another scrapper and a krenko and correctly therapied my last supreme verdict which ended the game quickly.
Game three I boarded out the revokers, it felt like he had too many answers and that I should focus on resolving strong enchantments and possibly planeswalkers. So i boarded in Elspeth and Gideon. Can't rebmember the details here but he resolved a chalice on 1 on his turn 2 which never left the board and stranded plow+2BS in my hand. I did however resolve a land tax before this and later a scroll rack. He chaliced for 3 aswell to deny D-sphere on the chalice for 1 and I played a humility shortly after that. The enchantment bought me enough time along with ghostly prison to play a gideon, wipe the board and a couple of turns later I added an espeth to the board which made my opponent concede. Definetly the most fun match of the day.
The deck felt solid, can't really comment card choices yet. The dazes were not good enough for me to feel convinced I should play them, but not bad enough to cut yet either. I might try the Wr version soon, it looks very good on paper and I'm not sure blue is good enough to motivate. Granted, the can't be counter on verdict didn't matter yesterday so I need to test more vs blue creature-based decks before I make up my mind.
Kind regards from Sweden.
The LGS I play at has a variety of decks and is usually very competitive, we played 4 rounds tonight and I went undefeated in Matches :)
Round 1 vs U/R Delver
Game 1: I sword his t1 Delver, he lands a swiftspear and chip's away he daze's a scroll rack but I land a rest in peace and Energy Field and he scoops with no way of removing it.
Game 2: I cast Orim's chant which he counter's (probably a mistake) and I play powder keg, he chips away with swiftspear and I resolve Rip/Field again with the help of Orim's chant and show him the helm in hand.
Sideboarding I bring in Powder keg's and Circle of protection red since I know he is on the burn heavy route and take out Back to Basics, and a Detention Sphere. Overall it felt like a really easy matchup since they can't board into any enchantment hate.
Round 2 vs 4C Loam
Game 1: He resolves a t1 Chalice followed by a Gaddock Teeg and a KOTR, I journey the Knight which he finds a decay for a few turns later and I'm able to slam Energy Field Followed by RIP a few turns later, we go draw go for a bit, and I test the water's and play Enlightened Tutor through his chalice, luckily he misses the trigger and I get Detention Sphere which Exiles his Liliana he just had cast. After realizing he missed the trigger I decided to go for Swords on his Teeg which he let happen then play Helm and win.
Game 2: He has Thalia, into Teeg, into KOTR and I was able to stall with RIP/Field but Lilly ultimate got their and that was all she wrote.
Game 3: He keep's a slow hand and I have helm/field/rip in hand with Land tax off a mox on t1 was pretty easy from their on out.
Round 3 vs Red White Painter
Game 1: I mulligan to a no lander with 2 mox's an E Tutor, 2 Land Tax and Swords to Plowshares, I decide to keep and see a plains off the top so I feel like I still have some game. He goes t1 Painter, I attempt to Swords, he exile's spirit guide and blasts it. He plays grind stone 2 turns later and I didn't have an answer.
Game 2: We did some durdling but I locked him out with a turn 3 Isochron Scepter/Chant and he conceded after I told him I planned on using it on his upkeep every turn
Game 3: He got flooded, I resolved a Jace along with Scroll rack which let me see a lot of cards and was able to Chant lock him with Scepter again until i got helm in play.
Round 4 - Intentional Draw but we decided to play anyway! He was on UG 12 Post
Game 1: I am not sure what he's on after seeing a lot of tropical islands and cantrips, I play rest in peace and it resolves, he plays show and tell the next turn I put in Helm and he puts in prime time...I win that game with 1 mana up :D.
Game 2: He has a nice ramped start into prime time that get's swords, I get him with Chant Lock after he had to waste his FOW on a back to basics when he was tapped out.
Overall the deck performed really well as I faced all pretty competitive decks, I was glad I didn't run into Czech Pile or High tide which were in the room but still felt very well equipped to deal with either, I still switch a lot of 1 of's every week like Ghostly Prison, Zuran, and Luminarch. But I don't think I'll ever get bored of Scroll Racking for 6 and putting back 6 lands off a land tax to draw 6 fresh cards :D.
Congrats on your finish, infect is a rough match up we need either an early swords and hope it doesn't get forced or an early energy field, Keg's out of the sideboard are great if you have them as it blows up inkmoth as well, and needle etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sereon
So Has anyone tested Web of Inertia in blue/white? Seems really solid with RIP as it basically says creature's cant attack you def gonna try it in place of ghostly prison during the next event
Why would you ever use this instead of Energy FieldQuote:
Originally Posted by Ninjastill
Im not arguing that it is better than Field, but its very good vs Emrakul decks, just would seem fine as a 1 ofQuote:
Originally Posted by kombatkiwi
Oh yeah I guess that makes sense. It sill feels iffy needing a Rip for your ghostly prison to work and I think playing EField + Ghostly Prison + This Thing might be too many slots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninjastill
I was planning on dropping Ghostly Prison for Web and just playing it as a 1 ofQuote:
Originally Posted by kombatkiwi
The problem I was having with the UW version and Energy Field, and the same for considering Web of Inertia is that both only prevent combat to you. My backup win condition were planeswalkers like Jace, the Mind Sculptor and Elspeth, Knight-Errant, and they were leaned on pretty regularly when Helm wasn't showing up. Not being able to prevent deadly swings to them was my primary gripe with Energy Field and Web of Inertia has the same problem.
The purpose of solitary confinement, and in this case energy field, is to buy time when needed with the upside of just beating some decks on their own.
Between 4 tutors, X copies of a given card, and the parfait engine you mostly just need to survive long enough to win before you come across your missing piece. This also highlights why playing as many basics as you can is desirable as every tax activation is a recall that thins your deck and otherwise increases your threat density.
I cant tell if your arguing for blue white or dismissing it hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Weapon X
Neither. Illustrating that perhaps pirate king is looking at those cards the wrong way.
Do not get me wrong, When Energy Field worked, it was great. But it's not enough of a lock to just play the long game. Being just one Abrupt Decay away from losing it all was an awful feeling. My comment was just that Web of Inertia doesn't offer any more. Yeah it shuts off Emrakul, but you're wide open to Burn, and for +1 CMC it's a difficult sell. "Buying time" worked out less than when it fell apart. CounterTop disrupted their attempts to find the removal, we don't have that luxury. Against Burn it just won the game, awesome. Other times it did get me to a turn to Rip/Helm a victory. But the largest single instance of the experience with the card is it didn't do enough for long enough.
So I'm fine with Energy Field, it's a useful interaction that costs 4 over two cards, versus Moat that just costs 4. So it's good parity. If Web of Inertia cost more but did more, then I'd be more on board.
Quick Tourney report!
Went 2-2 at FNM tonight, my LGS is very competitive all good decks last week went 4-0 had good matchups, this week not so much but had some fun games and learned I want to change a few cards.
Round 1 vs DnT - I won this in 2, as he saw no flickerwisp's to get him out of field/rip lock before helm came down to ruin the fun, same story game 2.
Round 2 vs Red/white Painter - I beat him last week, but this week he had all the answers and I kept a no lander game 3 on the draw with land tax, mox, e-tutor, needle, swords, and RIP...never saw a land he turn 2'd Chandra and other good cards TLDR: Mull that hand :D
Round 3 vs High Tide - Game 1 I have like 15 dead cards and don't have much of a chance, game 2 I won on the back of Canonist and Rip, game 3 he had a very nutty hand and I didnt have much interaction after a mull to 6.
Round 4 vs BUG Leovold - Played against a very skilled opponent and was expecting this to be a grindy matchup, but Land tax Card Adv + RIP was enough to slow him down and I ended up winning in 2.
Overall cards I want to replace as game after game they feel lackluster are... Zuran orb/Ghostly Prison have not been doing much for me, So I may add 1 Pithing needle to the main, and try 1 Web Of inertia in Prison's spot. Overall deck was still sweet and still feel like its a very competitive deck!
Also some other cards I was looking at adding to help our Combo matchup was "In The Eye of Chaos" seems like high tide especially but combo decks even very controlling decks would struggle against this card as a MUST counter.
Went 2-1 at my LGS this week, sadly only 6 showed up which is a bit unusual. Played against Czech Pile, BUG Delver and Eldrazi & Taxes
2-1 vs Czech Pile
Quick Notes: Rip was amazing, was able to grind a lot with scroll rack and Jace both games
1-2 vs BUG Delver
I kept a really sketchy 7 card hand with 1 land STP 3 RIP Mox and Energy Field didnt see a land :), game 2 i destroyed him, game 3 he had an answer for everything sadly
2-0 vs Eldrazi & Taxes
Was easy Game 1 he has no answers for Rip/Field or Rip/Inertie, Game 2 went similar he only saw one piece of hate
Updated List Below!
//Artifact (11)
2 Helm of Obedience
1 Isochron Scepter
1 Meekstone
4 Mox Diamond
3 Scroll Rack
//Enchantment (18)
1 Back to Basics
1 Detention Sphere
3 Energy Field
1 In the Eye of Chaos
1 Journey to Nowhere
4 Land Tax
1 Luminarch Ascension
1 Oblivion Ring
4 Rest in Peace
1 Web of Inertia
//Instant (10)
4 Enlightened Tutor
3 Orim's Chant
3 Swords to Plowshares
//Planeswalker (1)
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
//Sorcery (2)
2 Supreme Verdict
//Land (18)
4 Flooded Strand
3 Island
11 Plains
SB: 1 Back to Basics
SB: 1 Circle of Protection: Red
SB: 1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
SB: 1 Entreat the Angels
SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 Mana Maze
SB: 3 Meddling Mage
SB: 1 Nevermore
SB: 1 Phyrexian Revoker
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 2 Powder Keg
Wouldn't you be better to drop Isochron Scepter since it does the same thing as Energy Field (gives you more time and is sometimes a win on it's own)? If I was playing blue I certainly wouldn't play it since it's weak to decay, is potentially card disadvantage and field is more synergistic with the 4 RIP you're playing. That could also give you room for more detention spheres (I would play at least 2).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninjastill
So I've had a lot of free wins with scepter chant, or sometimes against decks that don't play decay I'll go for Scepter E tutor, and it can simply win me the game so as a 1 of its fine. Against Czech and bug decks I board it out. The spots I'm unhappy with or not impressed with so far are meekstone and journey to nowhere sometimes is lackluster. Overall in paper I'm 11-4 with my deck but I'm still tweaking it a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt-Qc
Also some cards I want to test is adding 1 scrubland and adding a Chains of Mephistophles to the sideboard! and also testing Trade Routes now!
Did you consider Counterbalance in the SB?
With both Jace and Scroll Rack you are able to somewhat reliable control what is on top.
In Theory i think Counterbalance is sweet but is too slow and against some decks you don't care to much about countering spells you want to play a more proactive prison piece then one you need to set up with scroll rack for, if TOP was still legal then of course this deck would play it, but then it would just be a worse miracles deck hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by hjalte
I played chains in my black splash. It's a powerful card