[Primer] Eldrazi Stompy

Entered an Eternal Extraveganza 4 Trial today, awaiting Top 8 pairings where i am first placed heading in. Will update with further details this evening when I return home from the tournament. Also i renamed the deck to MEGA-Stompy. MEGA of course standa for Make Eldrazi Great Again :)

Round 1--Miracles w/Thoptersword

Opponent made me aware he was changing to ThopterSword to improve an abysmal matchup againsy our very deck while adding that Counterbalance had seen better days in Legacy. Game 1 he beat me when he assembled ThopterSword against me after a very slow, lockout piece filled start. Game 2 i was able to counter a timely Terminus and Game 3 was won by am aggressive keep of Mimic, Reshaper, Seer and Smasher with a Temple/Tomb/City as lands. By the time he could setup a Terminus, i had a Smasher in hand at the ready to deploy for lethal. 2-1 MEGA

Round 2--Burn

Game 1 came down to multiple Price of Progress eating 12 of my life. I had to make a Displacer to put me to 6 in hope of getting Jitte online, but it cost me. Guide wouldve finished me had i no blockers to deploy. Game 2 i landed Chalice on 1 and 2 for the lockout and Game 3 involved a turn 2 Jitte on a Mimic that won the game by itself past a turn 1 Lavamancer. 2-1 MEGA

Round 3-- Junk

Game 1 we got into a boardstate of double DRS vs my empty board, and i topdecked Toxic Deluge to clean up before Reality Smasher two turns later. Game 2 he throws 3 turns of Wasteland at me after turn 1 DRS and i lose handily. Game 3 was close, but i was able to Wail his second Mystic to keep the Batterskull in hand with only 3 lands and let Reshaper and Mimic win the game alone. 2-1 MEGA

Round 4-- Grixis Delver

This guy Chris and i have had some funs matches. I cannot unfortunately remember the particulars, but i lost Game 2 at 4 life vs flipped delver when he Dismembers my Endless One on Jitte Equip. Game 3 i was able to steal thanks to a strong turn 2 after Chalice on 1 gets Forced-- Tomb and Eye gave me Mimic and Reshaper which was enough to push through since he had mo Daze on double cast. 2-1 MEGA

Quarterfinals-- Infect

I can honestly say that i understand this matchup in theory and due to the nature of paper Legacy scenes have mot tested it nearly enough. But two horrible things happened in this match.

Game 1 he drew zero pumps, just 2 Daze and 1 Spell Pierce, which was enough although had i not been Black mana screwed, i would have cast Toxic Deluge and been able to win the game a turn sooner than he could. Game 2 i kept a hand of 4 lands Deluge Chalice Chalice and landed Chalice for 1 on turn Zero. He proceeded to lay down (on a mulligan to 5 no less) two Inkmoth Nexus. And that is literally all it took. 0-2 MEGA

No, you are not missing a piece of the game. I drew five lands and a third Chalice of the Void. The deck has never failed me so miserably before this match (colored mana constraint/absolute brick on six draws). I am truly upset that it occurred when it did, but i consider it more of an abberation than proof positive of a bad matchup.

4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Endless One
3 Matter Reshaper
3 Eldrazi Displacer
4 TKS
4 Reality Smasher

4 Chalice of the Void
3 Mox Diamond
2 Warping Wail
2 Toxic Deluge
2 Umezawas Jitte

4 Ancient Tomb/Cavern of Souls/Caves of Koilos/Eldrazi Temple
3 Eye of Ugin/City of Traitors
1 Karakas/Urborg/Petrified Field (shouldve been Urborg 2, needs to be Karakas 2 once available)

SB
3 Containment Priest
1 Eldrazi Displacer
1 Warping Wail
1 Dismember
3 Thorn of Amethyst
1 All is Dust
1 Coercive Portal
4 Leyline of the Void

I would change only a Containment Priest to a second Dismember and add Urborg over Petrified Field. Otherwise, deck ran smoothly all day and Reshaper pulled its weight big time.

Thoptersword sounds like another one of those things All is Dust manhandles since it blows up all the tokens (which are blue) plus the Foundry (which is multicolored).

What list were you on? Mono C or the Displacer version?

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Originally Posted by Barook

Thoptersword sounds like another one of those things All is Dust manhandles since it blows up all the tokens (which are blue) plus the Foundry (which is multicolored).

What list were you on? Mono C or the Displacer version?

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All is Dust is one of those cards i want to like more, but it is so mana intensive. Coercive Portal is not a guarantee, but it is much easier to land in those grindy matchups that may even have Wastelands (like DnT) that would not allow you to get to 7 mana. I could see finding room for a 2nd, but i have had good results when bringing in Portal, like against Junk or Jund where Abrupt Decay cannot stop the CA from coming. And if they want to, they just have to trade 2 creatures and possibly a germ or a Sylvan Library, a trade we are A-OK with.

Coercive Portal will always a draw engine unless it's an advantage for the opponent.

As for the Infect match-up, it's relevant to know what lands you kept G2. Was there a Factory among them? Keeping a hand with zero threats against a deck you need to race sounds like a really underwhelming plan.

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Originally Posted by Thereisnocomp2

Entered an Eternal Extraveganza 4 Trial today, awaiting Top 8 pairings where i am first placed heading in. Will update with further details this evening when I return home from the tournament. Also i renamed the deck to MEGA-Stompy. MEGA of course standa for Make Eldrazi Great Again :)

Round 1--Miracles w/Thoptersword

Opponent made me aware he was changing to ThopterSword to improve an abysmal matchup againsy our very deck while adding that Counterbalance had seen better days in Legacy. Game 1 he beat me when he assembled ThopterSword against me after a very slow, lockout piece filled start. Game 2 i was able to counter a timely Terminus and Game 3 was won by am aggressive keep of Mimic, Reshaper, Seer and Smasher with a Temple/Tomb/City as lands. By the time he could setup a Terminus, i had a Smasher in hand at the ready to deploy for lethal. 2-1 MEGA

Round 2--Burn

Game 1 came down to multiple Price of Progress eating 12 of my life. I had to make a Displacer to put me to 6 in hope of getting Jitte online, but it cost me. Guide wouldve finished me had i no blockers to deploy. Game 2 i landed Chalice on 1 and 2 for the lockout and Game 3 involved a turn 2 Jitte on a Mimic that won the game by itself past a turn 1 Lavamancer. 2-1 MEGA

Round 3-- Junk

Game 1 we got into a boardstate of double DRS vs my empty board, and i topdecked Toxic Deluge to clean up before Reality Smasher two turns later. Game 2 he throws 3 turns of Wasteland at me after turn 1 DRS and i lose handily. Game 3 was close, but i was able to Wail his second Mystic to keep the Batterskull in hand with only 3 lands and let Reshaper and Mimic win the game alone. 2-1 MEGA

Round 4-- Grixis Delver

This guy Chris and i have had some funs matches. I cannot unfortunately remember the particulars, but i lost Game 2 at 4 life vs flipped delver when he Dismembers my Endless One on Jitte Equip. Game 3 i was able to steal thanks to a strong turn 2 after Chalice on 1 gets Forced-- Tomb and Eye gave me Mimic and Reshaper which was enough to push through since he had mo Daze on double cast. 2-1 MEGA

Quarterfinals-- Infect

I can honestly say that i understand this matchup in theory and due to the nature of paper Legacy scenes have mot tested it nearly enough. But two horrible things happened in this match.

Game 1 he drew zero pumps, just 2 Daze and 1 Spell Pierce, which was enough although had i not been Black mana screwed, i would have cast Toxic Deluge and been able to win the game a turn sooner than he could. Game 2 i kept a hand of 4 lands Deluge Chalice Chalice and landed Chalice for 1 on turn Zero. He proceeded to lay down (on a mulligan to 5 no less) two Inkmoth Nexus. And that is literally all it took. 0-2 MEGA

No, you are not missing a piece of the game. I drew five lands and a third Chalice of the Void. The deck has never failed me so miserably before this match (colored mana constraint/absolute brick on six draws). I am truly upset that it occurred when it did, but i consider it more of an abberation than proof positive of a bad matchup.

4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Endless One
3 Matter Reshaper
3 Eldrazi Displacer
4 TKS
4 Reality Smasher

4 Chalice of the Void
3 Mox Diamond
2 Warping Wail
2 Toxic Deluge
2 Umezawas Jitte

4 Ancient Tomb/Cavern of Souls/Caves of Koilos/Eldrazi Temple
3 Eye of Ugin/City of Traitors
1 Karakas/Urborg/Petrified Field (shouldve been Urborg 2, needs to be Karakas 2 once available)

SB
3 Containment Priest
1 Eldrazi Displacer
1 Warping Wail
1 Dismember
3 Thorn of Amethyst
1 All is Dust
1 Coercive Portal
4 Leyline of the Void

I would change only a Containment Priest to a second Dismember and add Urborg over Petrified Field. Otherwise, deck ran smoothly all day and Reshaper pulled its weight big time.

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Good job man ! i couldn't make it today. i am on the C/w version with just displacer, Its been great, i've only done 3 tournaments with it but I've gone 3-2. 3-1 , and 3-1 and the last one should have been 4-0 but i'm bad at magic...still think this deck is the best deck in the format .I'm going to try 2 all is dust in the board just because i haven't tried it yet. Congrats on the finish!

You guys are doing great! Maaan, I can't wait to join you guys with the white version. The Displacers, Karakas and Jittes are ordered, but I still haven't ordered the World Breakers... For now, I am with Braids Stax for two to four weeks.

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Originally Posted by Barook

Coercive Portal will always a draw engine unless it's an advantage for the opponent.

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Carnage will only resolve if both you and your opponent vote for it. Otherwise Homage will draw you a card. Portal should be viewed as an asymmetric Howling Mine and nothing else.

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Originally Posted by Barook

Coercive Portal will always a draw engine unless it's an advantage for the opponent.

As for the Infect match-up, it's relevant to know what lands you kept G2. Was there a Factory among them? Keeping a hand with zero threats against a deck you need to race sounds like a really underwhelming plan.

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Barook- Zero Factories/Wastelands in the deck probably hurt this matchup a bit, but then again-- how many times are you gonna draw 6 non-threat cards in this deck with 22-20 threats even post board if a few come out? Again, i do not take this loss as gospel for the matchup, just a poor decision by me to keep my hand with zero threats. Would i do it again? Almost certainly given the matchup ( Deluge is great vs the x/1 deck that doesnt beat via traditional damage and Chalice is a wreck agaimst them also ) but in the future i will think twice before keeping a zero threat hand even if i have all the lockout.

Honestly, i would probably run only the two changes i mentioned-- i would easily run this back at SCG Philly and probably be 6-0 instead of 5-1. This deck is Tier 1 period.

Oh and FYI-- totally wrote Barook and Riehu next to my name for Deck Designer because duh.

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Originally Posted by Thereisnocomp2

Barook- Zero Factories/Wastelands in the deck probably hurt this matchup a bit, but then again-- how many times are you gonna draw 6 non-threat cards in this deck with 22-20 threats even post board if a few come out? Again, i do not take this loss as gospel for the matchup, just a poor decision by me to keep my hand with zero threats. Would i do it again? Almost certainly given the matchup ( Deluge is great vs the x/1 deck that doesnt beat via traditional damage and Chalice is a wreck agaimst them also ) but in the future i will think twice before keeping a zero threat hand even if i have all the lockout.

Honestly, i would probably run only the two changes i mentioned-- i would easily run this back at SCG Philly and probably be 6-0 instead of 5-1. This deck is Tier 1 period.

Oh and FYI-- totally wrote Barook and Riehu next to my name for Deck Designer because duh.

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in my experience with the infect match up i would say we're about 70-30 to win i woulda kept the lock out hand as well , inkmoth, daze,become immense and invigorate are the cards that tend to win after a resolved chalice.

Please use correct Capitalisation and grammar. If you do not, I will have to hand out an infraction.

Dice.

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Originally Posted by Thereisnocomp2

Barook- Zero Factories/Wastelands in the deck probably hurt this matchup a bit, but then again-- how many times are you gonna draw 6 non-threat cards in this deck with 22-20 threats even post board if a few come out? Again, i do not take this loss as gospel for the matchup, just a poor decision by me to keep my hand with zero threats. Would i do it again? Almost certainly given the matchup ( Deluge is great vs the x/1 deck that doesnt beat via traditional damage and Chalice is a wreck agaimst them also ) but in the future i will think twice before keeping a zero threat hand even if i have all the lockout.

Honestly, i would probably run only the two changes i mentioned-- i would easily run this back at SCG Philly and probably be 6-0 instead of 5-1. This deck is Tier 1 period.

Oh and FYI-- totally wrote Barook and Riehu next to my name for Deck Designer because duh.

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I think forcing black at the cost of not running Factories is the wrong decision. Note that Dismember could have hit one Inkmoth, slowing your opponent down.

Another two consecutive wins in league, 3-0 so far, 21-2 in total, 1889 rating. Getting close. :wink:

R2 was Sneak & Show. Probably would have lost G2 if my opponent hadn't screwed up his stops and didn't try to block with a sneaked in Griselbee after blockers are declared while I was under a Blood Moon. :laugh: What is worrying me though is that all new lists have 4 Monastery Mentor in the SB. Bringing in All is Dust might become mandatory in the future.

R3 was Miracles. It was a one-sided slaughter. But who right in their mind keeps in Counterbalance vs Eldrazi after boarding? :eyebrow:

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Originally Posted by Barook

I think forcing black at the cost of not running Factories is the wrong decision. Note that Dismember could have hit one Inkmoth, slowing your opponent down.

Another two consecutive wins in league, 3-0 so far, 21-2 in total, 1889 rating. Getting close. :wink:

R2 was Sneak & Show. Probably would have lost G2 if my opponent hadn't screwed up his stops and didn't try to block with a sneaked in Griselbee after blockers are declared while I was under a Blood Moon.[emoji23]What is worrying me though is that all new lists have 4 Monastery Mentor in the SB. Bringing in All is Dust might become mandatory in the future.

R3 was Miracles. It was a one-sided slaughter. But who right in their mind keeps in Counterbalance vs Eldrazi after boarding? :eyebrow:

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Still on the same build?

You looking to build your version in paper?

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Originally Posted by CovenantElite30

Still on the same build?

You looking to build your version in paper?

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Yes, same build. Never change a running system. Right now, there's no need to change cards as I keep winning. :laugh:

I very well might be building this deck in paper, too, but I'm currently waiting for the EMA release to see if Karakas (and maybe Cavern/Chalice) get cheaper.

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Originally Posted by Barook

Yes, same build. Never change a running system. Right now, there's no need to change cards as I keep winning. :laugh:

I very well might be building this deck in paper, too, but I'm currently waiting for the EMA release to see if Karakas (and maybe Cavern/Chalice) get cheaper.

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I'm feeling Jitte will for sure see a reprint. And also that Karakas won't see a reprint. I picked up 3 at $100 a Kraks, which was pretty far from where it was before the EMA rumors. If I'm wrong, chalk up $300 to my gut. Lol.

EDIT: as for the list, I'm suggesting using Corrupted Crossroads over Brushland. Reason behind it is to hide colors, and you can use other colored eldrazi spells as well. We aren't actually using non-eldrazi white and green mana for anything else.

Hi Barook,
I played your list in a local tournament today. Very impressive!

One thing I was having problems with was Blood Moon out of miracles SB. They seem to be easily able to force All is Dust. Or Jace-lock you. or do other mean things ;)

Do you think it is entirely unreasonable to play Wastes instead of the Factories?

I liked the Factories a lot, but I don't think you can afford to cut colored sources. And I think I want the additional Moon protection.

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Originally Posted by spirit of the wretch

Hi Barook,
I played your list in a local tournament today. Very impressive!

One thing I was having problems with was Blood Moon out of miracles SB. They seem to be easily able to force All is Dust. Or Jace-lock you. or do other mean things ;)

Do you think it is entirely unreasonable to play Wastes instead of the Factories?

I liked the Factories a lot, but I don't think you can afford to cut colored sources. And I think I want the additional Moon protection.

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That entirely depends on your meta. I don't think cutting Factories is the right thing to do, as they're great vs control, including Miracles. If you're that worried, try to find some SB space for Wastes. What does your meta look like?

Congrats on your finishes, Barook!

Just curious - I noticed in your side boarding guide, you don't bring in anything vs the Burn matchup for Ensnaring Bridge. Are you just gambling that they don't draw it?

I haven't encountered Burn enough to be aware that they run Bridge. In that case, World Breaker might come in, although the idea of putting that many nonbasics into play to cast it doesn't sit too well with me.

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Originally Posted by Barook

I haven't encountered Burn enough to be aware that they run Bridge. In that case, World Breaker might come in, although the idea of putting that many nonbasics into play to cast it doesn't sit too well with me.

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Thanks!

Bridge seems to be getting to be more common for them to play (maybe in response to the Rise of the Eldrazi? Ha, ha).

I was just curious about your list is all since you weren't running Ratchet Bombs.

Bridge is a long-time staple in Burn sideboards for Show'n'Tell/Reanimator-style strategies but the influx of Eldrazi is probably increasing the numbers further; I wouldn't be surprised if it were in literally every Burn sideboard in the near future.

Even then, they still can jam it down on T3 the earliest, so you have a window to take it with TKS beforehand. Bomb wouldn't be a good solution anyway, considering how it's a target for Smash to Smithereens and taking a whooping 4 turns to blow it up.

Bought into the hype we'll see how she plays out. Only deck I could grab on MODO for a "decent price". Loving the Caverns Kreygasm

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Originally Posted by Barook

That entirely depends on your meta. I don't think cutting Factories is the right thing to do, as they're great vs control, including Miracles. If you're that worried, try to find some SB space for Wastes. What does your meta look like?

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Miracles, Death & Taxes, Delver, Eldrazi and the odd rogue deck of course. This is still legacy after all :smile:

vs Burn/Bridge, you can still attack if you deploy Chalice & Co since they can't cast all spells that way so Mimic&Co can go in (and with displacer you can combo Smasher/TKS for more damage after you dodged Bridge^^

Also note, that Burn will lean mostly on cc2 Artifact Hate, so Chalice at 2 will counter the common answer plus Price of Progress.

@Spirit, since i knew "our" local meta i would advise my Sideboard (same main* as Barook, but haven't enough time for tournaments yet)

SB:
2x All is Dust
2x Ratchet Bomb
2x Wastes
2x Thorn of Amethyst
3x Faerie Macabre
1x Bojuka Bog
1x Dismember
1x Warping Wail
1x World Breaker

*I also switched back to 1 Talisman of Unity over the 3rd Petal at Main. Since i knew that our local Miracle Players are well prepared for the Eldrazi, Wastes are needed because you will face Moon, From the Ashes (and more than enough Aggro Loam/Lands stuff).

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Graveyard Hate: i am still unsure, i am not sold on the 4 Leylines idea because i hate to take mulligans for them (unless i play vs Dredge etc for autowins), because even vs Storm we can hold more than enough good hands without any leyline and risk dead draws. Against BUG i only board the single Bojuka Bog. Works fine so far, because Gofy/Deathrite can combat with a lot of other tools. Bog can clear the yard, it is another land drop (bonus vs lands), adds B for Dismember (safe some life for grindy matchups) and works with Reshaper and you don't need 4! Slots vs decks that aren't pure GY combos. Against GY-Combos/Storm i am more than happy if they go all-in and try to do stuff only to play a Faerie for a full blowout. With Leyline in play they can/will try a different plan - even if it will be very hard for them, thanks to all the other hate stuff we can deploy.

While we are at it, why the approach of playing 0 Wastelands and Lotus Petal? Lotus Petal is just the worst accel you can play in my opinion.
The two acceleration things I'd play over it any day are Simian Spirit Guide or Mox Diamond.
Simian Spirit Guide can be cast via Cavern on Apes in a pinch, and an ape wielding a Jitte is still dangerous after all. Well, if you play Jitte, that is (which I think you should as it also mitigates life loss by Tombs). I also like how you can slam your 2nd Turn Seer with your opponent attempting to cast Daze on it, then just surprise-pay with Ape. And being able to Dismember out of nowhere with the ape could also be crucial in a matchup such as Infect (it probably isn't, but I'm certain there are some bad players that you can bust pretty hard with that).
And another viable accel would be Mox Diamond. It's quite good when you have redundant legendary lands or Cities to recycle into mana.
I have also seen some lists running Mind Stone. More of a rogue tech, but it would also easily fix issues with Moons (as any mana stone would, but this one can cantrip in a flood situation and hopefully recycle into gas).

Another player from our region had a completely different approach, he just played Wastes instead of anything that doesn't produce 2 mana (e.g. no Wastelands, no Caverns). So I believe his manabase was
4 Tomb, 4 City, 4 Temple, 3-4 Eye, 8 Wastes. And he also packed 4 Walker of the Wastes. I also laughed about that initially, but it was crushing the mirror and the build itself didn't care about Moons at all and was less susceptible against Wasteland-locks by Loam.decs

But anyway, I liked these ideas and wanted to throw them out there, especially for you, Stefan. Don't mindlessly netdeck MTGO lists for paper magic tournaments.

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Originally Posted by MD.Ghost

vs Burn/Bridge, you can still attack if you deploy Chalice & Co since they can't cast all spells that way so Mimic&Co can go in (and with displacer you can combo Smasher/TKS for more damage after you dodged Bridge^^

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Uhm, they can still play all their spells, it's just that some of them will be getting countered. However, I'd happily do that with a Bridge on the table if it saves me from getting overrun.

Hehehe, so many familiar faces in this thread. Sweet!

@Ghost: Do you bring the Bombs in vs Miracles? I would think so, right?

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Originally Posted by spirit of the wretch

Miracles, Death & Taxes, Delver, Eldrazi and the odd rogue deck of course. This is still legacy after all :smile:

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3 All is Dust and 4 Leyline are not cuttable. I disagree with MD.Ghost who runs only 2 AiDs. The card is too game-winning to not run it.

The rest of the SB is fair game. Given your meta, you want to keep the Displacer, too (although you could move it to the main in the spot of the 4th Matter Reshaper, despite the low number of white sources - test it if you're comfortable with the mana). By removing the Displacer + Karakas from the board, you would open up 2 slots for Wastes, but make sure to run 4x Displacer in your 75, especially in your meta.

@Adan: In colorless lists, the Spirit Guides are superior. Note that Lotus Petal are only run in the colored versions that can't cover their white with Guides. Mox effectively loses you mana if you have to discard a SoL land and it increases inconsistency. I started out on Moxen and cutting them for Petals was a very good decision overall.

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Originally Posted by Barook

3 All is Dust and 4 Leyline are not cuttable. I disagree with MD.Ghost who runs only 2 AiDs. The card is too game-winning to not run it.

The rest of the SB is fair game. Given your meta, you want to keep the Displacer, too (although you could move it to the main in the spot of the 4th Matter Reshaper, despite the low number of white sources - test it if you're comfortable with the mana). By removing the Displacer + Karakas from the board, you would open up 2 slots for Wastes, but make sure to run 4x Displacer in your 75, especially in your meta.

@Adan: In colorless lists, the Spirit Guides are superior. Note that Lotus Petal are only run in the colored versions that can't cover their white with Guides. Mox effectively loses you mana if you have to discard a SoL land and it increases inconsistency. I started out on Moxen and cutting them for Petals was a very good decision overall.

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I honestly didn't have Eldrazi Displacer on my radar. Since you are playing colored Eldrazis, Lotus Petal does have a right to exist. However, in that case I'd still prefer the Mox (which would also synergize better with Jitte), although I see that your manabase in particular isn't well-suited to support Mox Diamond. But having a permanent colored source to slam Displacers and World Breakers under Blood Moon would add some inevitability to the Miracles matchup.

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Originally Posted by Adan

Uhm, they can still play all their spells, it's just that some of them will be getting countered. However, I'd happily do that with a Bridge on the table if it saves me from getting overrun.

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It is ok, since in this case Burn can't win, while Eldrazi can still go for Bomb/World Breaker if they are save from any relevant Spells (Damage + Price + Artifact Removal)^^ And as i wrote, even Mimics can be dangerous. Bridge is a common Burn tech (thanks to Show&Tell etc.), so it is nothing "New" and should be in mind for most players.

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Originally Posted by spirit of the wretch

Hehehe, so many familiar faces in this thread. Sweet!

@Ghost: Do you bring the Bombs in vs Miracles? I would think so, right?

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Nice you follow our Eldrazi swarm!
No Bombs vs Miracle unless they do weird stuff. I would bring: All is Dust, Wastes, Warping Wail and World Breaker. Key is to be save vs Moon (or random Moat/Humility etc.) + Threat (thats why i like to keep in Jitte too) and i wouldn't lean only to All is Dust, since you are right: Counterspell/Force are still here.

Thats why i like Wastes here, once you have 1 <c> you should be able to do all the good things (cast all Creatures, cast Warping Wail, active Displacer).

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Originally Posted by Barook

I disagree with MD.Ghost who runs only 2 AiDs.

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Keep calm bro :tongue:, i purchased 3 All is Dust as a starter kit for any Eldrazi idea so i always can switch to the 3rd copy, since i love the impact of the card. You should remember that we both run the card from the beginning in most of our Eldrazi.brews. All is Dust is bonkers - i full agree - but i like to have flexible and diverse cards at side. And i only cutted the 3rd All is Dust - for the moment - because i added 2 Bombs (which reads: overall one more sweeper/removal). Still enough time to test the final 75 before the GP :wink:

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Originally Posted by Adan

I honestly didn't have Eldrazi Displacer on my radar. Since you are playing colored Eldrazis, Lotus Petal does have a right to exist. However, in that case I'd still prefer the Mox (which would also synergize better with Jitte), although I see that your manabase in particular isn't well-suited to support Mox Diamond. But having a permanent colored source to slam Displacers and World Breakers under Blood Moon would add some inevitability to the Miracles matchup.

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We dismissed Mox a while ago - Barook and I played the GW style from the beginning, and while Mox can be a good card they aren't good in this final build (i think the current version is very strong vs the field). Overall i talked with Sedris about Mox/Petal etc. in the current build - since you are right, permanent mana can be good in some situations - that's why i am back to (at least) 1 Talisman over the 3rd Petal. I thinkt that are minimal adjustments, like some SB Slots for local/modo/big tournament meta etc.

The strenght of the current Displacer build is the combination of speed and tons of cheap threats. As flexible as Talisman is for mana, it doesn't really fit that plan where you durdle for a turn instead of deploying relevant threats.

Just my 2 cents.

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Originally Posted by Barook

The strenght of the current Displacer build is the combination of speed and tons of cheap threats. As flexible as Talisman is for mana, it doesn't really fit that plan where you durdle for a turn instead of deploying relevant threats.

Just my 2 cents.

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Barook, can you link to the page your current build is on? Or post it here?

Im pretty happy with where the colorless version has got me but im thinking I should finally try out the white splash version.

Coming from playing all the delver variants, my biggest question is what to do with dismember vs DRS. I am currently on the white version of Eldrazi. Is DRS that big a threat in the shardless or even grixis matchup, or should I be saving dismember vs the inevitable gofy or angler?

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Originally Posted by ZEROorDIE

Barook, can you link to the page your current build is on? Or post it here?

Im pretty happy with where the colorless version has got me but im thinking I should finally try out the white splash version.

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I believe it's still this:

Creatures
4 Endless One
4 Eldrazi Mimic
3 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Matter Reshaper
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher

Spells
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Lotus Petal
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Warping Wail
2 Dismember

Lands
4 Ancient Tomb
2 Brushland
4 Cavern of Souls
2 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Eye of Ugin
2 Karakas
3 Mishra's Factory


Sideboard
1 Karakas
2 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Warping Wail
1 Dismember
1 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Leyline of the Void
3 All Is Dust
2 World Breaker

Did anyone thought about Chaos Warp? It's a good response to Blood Moon, Ensnaring Bridge and Moat.

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Originally Posted by Alex_UNLIMITED

Did anyone thought about Chaos Warp? It's a good response to Blood Moon, Ensnaring Bridge and Moat.

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It certainly is an interesting card. But let's assume you even run the RW Painland: How are you getting enough red mana to support outside of Blood Moon situations? That's my main concern, aside from random bad luck in the replacement drops.

Yeah, the deck can barely handle splashes into non-eldrazi cards in any color other than white (due to Karakas) and black (due to Urborg).

Edit: to run a colored non-eldrazi card you need at least 8-9 sources of colored mana for that card not including caverns. Not inlcuding Lotud petals you probably need 4-6 lands that produce that color. The simple fact is at this point, running those types of lands instead of wasteland or factory seems to be the inferior choice. I do like expirementing (hey - i'm having fun messing with Riftstone Portal!) though. Chaos warp might be a good choice to fight blood moon decks since the above problems with the mana base wouldn't apply!

Finished another league run. Another 5-0. :tongue: 23-2 and still going strong. 92% win rate is insane. 1897 rating - so close. :eek:

R4 vs Miracles. 2-1 (Mentors either MD or SB, can't tell)
R5 vs Legendary Miracles 2-1

Lost G2 in both matches to Blood Moon (and the downright stonecold nuts in R4 in general with double Mentor and savage topdecks). Given the increase of it in the current online meta (15% right now), I'm reconsidering my position on it regarding the sideboard. Two Wastes is probably the most reliable tech, but I'm having a hard time finding cuts:

I really want to keep my third Karakas for Reanimator/S&T bullshit.
The Leylines and 3 copies of All is Dust are also not debatable.
3rd Dismember and 3rd Warping Wail are too good to pass, too.

Which leaves the potential cuts at World Breaker, Thorn & Displacer. I'm considering moving the 4th Displacer to the main in the spot of a Matter Reshaper and cutting a Thorn. I really like World Breaker and want to have more than one out against problematic artifacts/permanents. Thorn has been "okay" for me at best and the decks were we would bring it in are positive in general anyway, especially Storm. But then again, I bring Thorn in against roughly ~21% of the meta vs 15+% (and probably rising) Blood Moons. I'd like to hear feedback regarding 4 Displacers in the main with the current manabase from the people who run a 4 Displacer/3 Matter Reshaper split. Looking at my previous mana math, 11 vs 12 sources are roughly 3% in the early turns, so I might be overreacting in that regard.

On a different note:
I want to discuss this particular situation, contents of the opponent's hand are completely unknown. Would you have played All is Dust or World Breaker in my spot?

I'd cast World Breaker. Your opponent can't Terminus, Force, or Swords, and that leaves you dead to...exactly Jace exactly on top? Vendillion Clique in the top 4 can beat you, but only over the course of two turns and there's no guarantee that your opponent Cliques you rather than themselves. Seems very low risk. He's forced to chump at least once in any other scenario involving Jace, White souce + Plow is +1 life before he attacks, but you'd get to All is Dust the next turn and survive at 1, Terminus on your upkeep is a wash and your cheap Eldrazi are all live topdecks.

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Originally Posted by btm10

I'd cast World Breaker. Your opponent can't Terminus, Force, or Swords, and that leaves you dead to...exactly Jace exactly on top? Vendillion Clique in the top 4 can beat you, but only over the course of two turns and there's no guarantee that your opponent Cliques you rather than themselves. Seems very low risk. He's forced to chump at least once in any other scenario involving Jace, White souce + Plow is +1 life before he attacks, but you'd get to All is Dust the next turn and survive at 1, Terminus on your upkeep is a wash and your cheap Eldrazi are all live topdecks.

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You forgot about Snapcaster, which was my biggest concern in my calculations.

I went for All is Dust, which turned out to be the right decision. He found another Snapcaster in his top 3. He could have swung with both Snap and Venser, leaving me at 2 & unable to cast All is Dust while his second Snappy would have chumped my Breaker. I would have died on the backswing then.

With my line, I was able to cast World Breaker, leaving me at 2 life due to a topdecked Brushland, forcing him on chumping duty and killed him a turn later.

There were more outs for him if you casted World Breaker, so AiD was the right play. I've made that "cast a creature to chump" mistake vs Miracles before, and would love not to make that again in the future. Once again, good job!

@SB: Would you cut 1 World Breaker? Eye can tutor it up after all. Or 2 is a right number there?

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Finished another league run. Another 5-0. :tongue: 23-2 and still going strong. 92% win rate is insane. 1897 rating - so close. :eek:

R4 vs Miracles. 2-1 (Mentors either MD or SB, can't tell)
R5 vs Legendary Miracles 2-1

Lost G2 in both matches to Blood Moon (and the downright stonecold nuts in R4 in general with double Mentor and savage topdecks). Given the increase of it in the current online meta (15% right now), I'm reconsidering my position on it regarding the sideboard. Two Wastes is probably the most reliable tech, but I'm having a hard time finding cuts:

I really want to keep my third Karakas for Reanimator/S&T bullshit.
The Leylines and 3 copies of All is Dust are also not debatable.
3rd Dismember and 3rd Warping Wail are too good to pass, too.

Which leaves the potential cuts at World Breaker, Thorn & Displacer. I'm considering moving the 4th Displacer to the main in the spot of a Matter Reshaper and cutting a Thorn. I really like World Breaker and want to have more than one out against problematic artifacts/permanents. Thorn has been "okay" for me at best and the decks were we would bring it in are positive in general anyway, especially Storm. But then again, I bring Thorn in against roughly ~21% of the meta vs 15+% (and probably rising) Blood Moons. I'd like to hear feedback regarding 4 Displacers in the main with the current manabase from the people who run a 4 Displacer/3 Matter Reshaper split. Looking at my previous mana math, 11 vs 12 sources are roughly 3% in the early turns, so I might be overreacting in that regard.

On a different note:
I want to discuss this particular situation, contents of the opponent's hand are completely unknown. Would you have played All is Dust or World Breaker in my spot?

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All Is Dust. With his board position I prefer to board wipe.