[Deck] Deadguy Ale (B/w Confidant)

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Originally Posted by Ralf

Have you never revealed a Shriekmaw to Bob ? I know uncounterability is a thing but well...
How was the 1-of Council's judgment compared to a 3rd vindicate ? I cannot see a common use case where CJ > Vindicate (except a resolved Emrakul, hexproof guy which I consider mostly as a corner case) but maybe I'm missing something here.
I read your report and it seems that stone raining people have worked like a "charm".

I'm glad Bladehold shows up. I'm playing Sorin, LoI in its place to add further % against control & grindy matches.

I also like your SB, pretty well tuned against TC decks. After the GP, would you make changes, if any ? I'm playing with a second chains of Mephi because it synergizes so well with "Bob + Stone rain".

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Council's judgment is for TNN-hate.

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Originally Posted by Tokugawa

Council's judgment is for TNN-hate.

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3 liliana & 1 SOFI & Lingering are already nice answers to TNN.
But you might be right, I was overthinking anyway since I'm used to playing with 2 diabolic edict MD instead of shriekmaw, so that TNN is rather a non issue.

Sure, I have revealed Hero, Shriekmaw and Batterskull to bob. It happens. Even still, in the 5 or so years playing Dead Guy, I've died less than 7 times to Bob. He's won many more games than I have lost. And Shriekmaw is there for the "removal curve". lol. I don't play decay so I wanted a kill card at 2 mana. And I also wanted something that could be a threat, in this case a late game threat because I don't play that many threats.

Council's Judgment is a catch all for a few things like True Name, Emrakul etc. Also nice since it can get around MOther of Runes or Goblin Welder. Having said that, there were more instances where I wish the Judgment was a Vindicate than the other way around. With the meta the way it is now, people are less afraid of wasteland and land destruction in general.....so they are either skipping on land counts and/or not afraid of playing out all non-basics first. That's how I beat the First UR Delver guy. He ran out Delver off of a Volcanic Island turn 1....most people do that thinking the other guy probably won't waste it with a threat out. LOL, I'm not most people. My first competitive Magic deck had 4 Sinkholes, 4 Strip Mine, 4 Icequake, and 4 Ice storm.

I'm also guessing that's why the 2 12-post guys did well (I faced one late day 1 and the other day 2), less wastelands around is better for them in general.

I like Sorin, Lord of Innistrad. Considering adding one to board. Good for the grindy matchups and lifegain is alright. Elspeth probably better but Dread of Night and especially Sulfur Elemental are out there...

Changes to board.....Hmmmm..... Not sure. Treasure Cruise is a beating. It seems to me, whatever answer you try to run is inferior to the threat (Cruise). In game play, Relics and Deathrites were probably the most effective in reducing the Cruise Threat. Chains was ok but doesn't do much else than stop the draw silliness, and with many cards in hand already Bob Huang was able to use Cruise as a Faithless Looting esque kind of effect anyway. Didn't put Teeg in that much, except against the Sneak attack deck.

In hindsight, probably should have had a Firewalker or 2 and maybe less combo hate cards for more Delver hate. But if I played the GP again, my opponents could have been completely different. I played against One combo deck and one miracles. Lucky I only had to play against one burn and I heard there were a ton of MUD players. And I'm sure there were more stompy builds since Chalice of the Void was sold out.

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Originally Posted by Wilkin

Sure, I have revealed Hero, Shriekmaw and Batterskull to bob. It happens. Even still, in the 5 or so years playing Dead Guy, I've died less than 7 times to Bob. He's won many more games than I have lost. And Shriekmaw is there for the "removal curve". lol. I don't play decay so I wanted a kill card at 2 mana. And I also wanted something that could be a threat, in this case a late game threat because I don't play that many threats.

I like Sorin, Lord of Innistrad. Considering adding one to board. Good for the grindy matchups and lifegain is alright. Elspeth probably better but Dread of Night and especially Sulfur Elemental are out there...

In hindsight, probably should have had a Firewalker or 2 and maybe less combo hate cards for more Delver hate. But if I played the GP again, my opponents could have been completely different. I played against One combo deck and one miracles. Lucky I only had to play against one burn and I heard there were a ton of MUD players. And I'm sure there were more stompy builds since Chalice of the Void was sold out.

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I guess our variance is very different. Bob seems to always reveal the highest CMC card in my deck at a perfect timing....for my opponent.
Elspeth might be better save the mana requirement.
But as you point it out, I wanted to have other "non white" threats. You are playing Shriekmaw and me "Diabolic Edict", so Sorin was a must include as I am lighter on endgame threats. Not to mention, the lifelink ability of the generated token which has, a non zero amount of time, made me crawl back from behind. Even chain blocking until Sorin could use his ultimate has been stellar in some MU. At last, the synergy with Lingering has to be mentioned. Once, I was dead on board raced by a TNN, Sorin showed up, pumped 4 spirit tokens and I swang for lethal.

By the way, impressive performance.
Congratulations.

I'mwith Wilkin. The Times I've died from Bob (and it wasn't a desperation play off of like playing him to chump at 1 life) just by flipping over a pile of 4 amd five drops is almost 0. He'll hurt you, but generally if he gets active andyou aren't at like 5 life from the get go, he's awesome. Just remember, Greatness. At any cost. ANY COST.

I could see edict being solid, but I already have liliana. I'm also main boarding a single persecution now as well. Not only can it sweep an opponent nicely, but it can protect from nasty 2 for 1 forked bolts. I have honestly been wanting for another 1 drop removal. Deciding between either a path or a disfigure.

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Originally Posted by Ralf

I guess our variance is very different. Bob seems to always reveal the highest CMC card in my deck at a perfect timing....for my opponent.

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If you have room, try Sensei's Divining Top. Really smooths things out.

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

I'mwith Wilkin. The Times I've died from Bob (and it wasn't a desperation play off of like playing him to chump at 1 life) just by flipping over a pile of 4 amd five drops is almost 0. He'll hurt you, but generally if he gets active andyou aren't at like 5 life from the get go, he's awesome. Just remember, Greatness. At any cost. ANY COST.

I could see edict being solid, but I already have liliana. I'm also main boarding a single persecution now as well. Not only can it sweep an opponent nicely, but it can protect from nasty 2 for 1 forked bolts. I have honestly been wanting for another 1 drop removal. Deciding between either a path or a disfigure.

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Go with a disfigure. It hits almost everything in the format and doesn't have a direct drawback. The few things it cannot hit (Goyf, Emrakul, reanimator targets) all get managed in a different way anyways.

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

I'mwith Wilkin. The Times I've died from Bob (and it wasn't a desperation play off of like playing him to chump at 1 life) just by flipping over a pile of 4 amd five drops is almost 0. He'll hurt you, but generally if he gets active andyou aren't at like 5 life from the get go, he's awesome. Just remember, Greatness. At any cost. ANY COST.

I could see edict being solid, but I already have liliana. I'm also main boarding a single persecution now as well. Not only can it sweep an opponent nicely, but it can protect from nasty 2 for 1 forked bolts. I have honestly been wanting for another 1 drop removal. Deciding between either a path or a disfigure.

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We have 1 to 3 liliana MD.
I play with:
3 liliana
2 Diabolic edict
4 Swords
3 Vindicate

This a lot of spot removal. Unless, if you are (like me) stone raining people, a lot.
Zealous Persecution MD is something I have to think about. Might be a very good call, right now.

My friends always berate me for using my vindicates as stone rain... I just like to get aggressive! I always waver on two or three of them..

As for liliana, I don't think I've ever changed from 3. It just seems right. The card is versatile and fine in almost every match up. And I'm usually against running persecution main because it is awful against the hard control decks and often the non elves combo decks, but I think it just feels right at the moment

My current removal suite:
4 STP
3 liliana
2 Vindicate
1 Zealous Persecution
SoFaI and Jitte have the ability to be removal.

Sb:
2 Perish
1 ZP
1 Shriekmaw
2 Disenchant

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Originally Posted by Mirrislegend

If you have room, try Sensei's Divining Top. Really smooths things out.

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Well, I used to be playing with top as a 2-of.
Then, I saw (six or seven months ago), Wilkin, playing with chrome mox.
I tested it out, never looked back:

T1:
DRS + Dual out -> enable wasteland + swords
T1 -> Bob / SFM
T1-> discard + swords
T1 -> HTT

or T2:
SFM / Bob daze proof -> Opponent brainstorm -> Discard (note you won't catch a competent player here but well...) !
T2 -> vindicate (stone rain) after a T1 discard
T2 -> Liliana

Etc..

Speed vs Consistency (Card quality).
I guess we could argue for hours. But, Wilkin has a lot of solid performances with it and I have yet to see a "top build" showing up such good results.
Sometimes, you have 2 mox in your opening hands and it sucks -> mulligan.
But overall, the deck needs free wins with such good T2 plans that are Bob/SFM or even, sometimes you have that kind of land denial & control opening hand that just needs to be beefed up to blow out your opponent. Chrome mox is just a huge boost in these particular cases.
Boost which tends to lead to victory most of the time you have it.

Gonna start play maindecked Chains of Mephistophel. As well fixing the mana so that Abrupt Decay is able to be cast most of the time. There is afterall less wastelands then ever. Abrupt Decay is really strong right now.

I'm not denying the strength of chrome mox. I like it in theory, I just haven't tested it and I have had success with my build so I'm hesitant to change what has worked

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

I'm not denying the strength of chrome mox. I like it in theory, I just haven't tested it and I have had success with my build so I'm hesitant to change what has worked

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My brother was the other Deadguy deck that made day two and he also runs a pair of chrome mox's and swears by them. The speed the deck up and stabilizes the mana issues (he is not running DRS) this deck can have sometimes. I think it just creates some super powerful plays that he feels necessary. If he doesn't get them early he discards them to Liliana or filters them away with Top.

I would test them to see if you like them or not, whats the worst that could happen at your local weekly event, you go 1-3 or whatever for the week? Not saying i would just jam them at a large SCG event or the like. But it doen't hurt to explore different options

Wilkin's latest results have convinced me to give this deck a go with Chrome Mox + less lands. I probably won't play Liliana main but I'm definitely having her in the board, and playing ZP main and possibly Orzhov Pontiff. Also Hero of Bladehold. And maybe Blood Baron of Vizkopa. Could you imagine dropping that thing against BBD's list, haha. Nice Bolt, STP and Batterskull. But that's probably a pipe dream.

4 Souls seems like the place to be too, since most decks are playing x/1s and no way to beat x/1s for some reason. Could also see Pack Rat having a place. Wilkin has 7 discard main... 21 lands and 2 Chrome Mox... at least one Pack Rat to make those un-chaff seems OK. I might only do 5-6 discard main anyway. I like Therapy with Bob and 4 Souls.

On 1 cmc removal... Darkblast? You can do tricks with it to kill Delver, SFM and DRS. Wish we had something as cool to do with our GY as Cruise though. Delve doesn't play well with Bob unfortunately. Seems good with Matt's Reanimate/Unearth though. Discard their SFM, reanimate, get our skull, nice. Or mill our SFM, reanimate it. You can also use it with Top hilariously. Next 3 look like garbage? Tap, dredge, kill your Pyromancer, fresh 3 under SDT.

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Originally Posted by Rampart

My brother was the other Deadguy deck that made day two and he also runs a pair of chrome mox's and swears by them. The speed the deck up and stabilizes the mana issues (he is not running DRS) this deck can have sometimes. I think it just creates some super powerful plays that he feels necessary. If he doesn't get them early he discards them to Liliana or filters them away with Top.

I would test them to see if you like them or not, whats the worst that could happen at your local weekly event, you go 1-3 or whatever for the week? Not saying i would just jam them at a large SCG event or the like. But it doen't hurt to explore different options

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Can you get his list? No DRS is very interesting.

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Originally Posted by maharis

Can you get his list? No DRS is very interesting.

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its something like this I think, He moves the chrome mox count up and down from 1 to 2 a lot. not sure the exact qty for the GP

1 Chrome Mox
2 Tops
1 Batterskull
1 Fire and Ice
1 Jitte
4 STP
2 Vindicate
1 Darkblast
4 Liliana
3 Thoughtseize
3 Cabal Therapy

3 Lingering Souls
3 Grunt
3 Mom
3 Stoneforge
4 Dark Confy

21 Lands
2 Karakas
1 Urborg
2 Swamp
1 Plains
7 Fetch
4 Scrublands
4 Wasteland

Some sideboard crap

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Originally Posted by Rampart

My brother was the other Deadguy deck that made day two and he also runs a pair of chrome mox's and swears by them. The speed the deck up and stabilizes the mana issues (he is not running DRS) this deck can have sometimes. I think it just creates some super powerful plays that he feels necessary. If he doesn't get them early he discards them to Liliana or filters them away with Top.

I would test them to see if you like them or not, whats the worst that could happen at your local weekly event, you go 1-3 or whatever for the week? Not saying i would just jam them at a large SCG event or the like. But it doen't hurt to explore different options

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At first I was like "How do you know only 2 deadguy decks made day 2?". And then I read the metagame 2 breakdown on wizards. Hmmm.....black/white stoneblade. Well, at least it's better than Washington, I was listed as Junk. And my list from that year had only Deathrites and Bayou, not even a Gaddock Teeg.

Once again thinking of trying out Cursed Scroll. With less knights and tarmogoyfs. Scrolls kills alot more creatures nowdays. Thought smash to smithereens is quite a card right now.

A long time ago I talked about playing Bitterblossom in this deck. The card's awesome and can just win games. It gets even better later on if you've boarded in Zealous Persecution to fight Young Pyromancer decks - they're kinda popular. I know Souls is 'faster' but not by much if they're in your opening hand since BB costs 1 less to cast (by T3 when you cast Souls for 2 tokens, BB would have 1 token in play). GY hate and a higher CMC vs. a 2 cost that just keeps on giving is something to consider.

Used to play Bitterblossom. Once I went to Lingering Souls I never went back.

-Souls does cost more but it's like 2 spells in one. If they counter it the first time, you can just flashback. If they counter Bitterblossom it's gone.
-Growing opposing goyfs by 2 with Bitterblossom sucked. Really sucked.
-Lingering Souls has an immediate board impact whereas you have to wait a turn with Bitterblossom and also once you get the token it can't attack that turn.
-I've died to Bitterblossom more times than I have with Dark Confidant. And I haven't played Bitterblossom in like 2 years.


It's a good card for sure but I feel that Lingering Souls kicked it to the curb.

I like Sorin, lorde of innistrad way more then elspeth in the deck. The emblem is beast with Lingering Soul.

I used to play bitterblossom as well. Great card when ahead worst card when behind. Lightning Bolts are everywhere. Engineered Plague is a card again with it removing 8/12 creatures from ur-delver. Dont want the faeries to be 0/0s :P

Gotten my hands on 3 chains of meph so time to rock them out :P

I'd mostly run Bitterblossom if you're running Goyf. I use Sculler (partly) for the same reasons. If you *are* running goyfs, things like Sculler/Blossom beef him up to *huge* extremely fast. When you're 2-drop is outsizing reanimator targets, you know you're doing something right :)

Tested a bit versus Elves and a punishing RUG Delver variant. The Angel was solid against delver, forcing him to have to 2 for 1 to kill it off. Tomb stalker was decent as well, just not when he had a jace... Might just go back to more Angel or something. Containment Priest was solid against elves, except he still just had the nut glimpse hand to draw his deck and kill me. Derp. On a 2/2 split of him and spirit in the main. I probably should cut stalker for something and put the 4th Bob back

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

Tested a bit versus Elves and a punishing RUG Delver variant. The Angel was solid against delver, forcing him to have to 2 for 1 to kill it off. Tomb stalker was decent as well, just not when he had a jace... Might just go back to more Angel or something. Containment Priest was solid against elves, except he still just had the nut glimpse hand to draw his deck and kill me. Derp. On a 2/2 split of him and spirit in the main. I probably should cut stalker for something and put the 4th Bob back

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I really think you should try atleast Hero of Bladehold. That guy seems insane, one man army.

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Originally Posted by Wilkin

Used to play Bitterblossom. Once I went to Lingering Souls I never went back.
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It's a good card for sure but I feel that Lingering Souls kicked it to the curb.

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Fair enough. Back then I had been talking about it instead of Bob, but it's been a long time since I played the deck. Also, with everyone talking about blue's filtering being so key - how has Sensei's Divining Top not become a 4-of in non-blue decks such as this one? It smooths draws, works with fetchlands, can even draw a card when you want it to and is great with Bob.

For me, I'd rather not durdle with top. I'm tapping out almost every turn. I'd rather play Sylvan Library to be honest.

I decided to try something silly on thursday at my local.... I wanted to have some form of card advantage to keep up with u/r delver which is everywhere. I only have 4 duals atm, 4 fbb scrubland, so I can't splash. I added 4 Squadron Hawk to hang with my 4 Lingering Souls. I am not gonna lie, it worked. I ran 4 equipment main also to avoid trying to win off the back of a 1/1 flyer. Jitte, SoLaS, SoFaI, and BSkull. I faced U/r delver twice and only lost when I double mull'd and faced 2 wasteland T2 and T3. I'm not saying I just cracked the code, but it won me a lot of games all night. I also ran 3 Vindicate main deck with 1 Council's Judgment next to my 4 StP and they did work all night too. Got some "WtF!!-s" all night with my Paladin en-Vecs out of the board haha! Yep. Hawk atack. Win.

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Originally Posted by Madmankevinx

I decided to try something silly on thursday at my local.... I wanted to have some form of card advantage to keep up with u/r delver which is everywhere. I only have 4 duals atm, 4 fbb scrubland, so I can't splash. I added 4 Squadron Hawk to hang with my 4 Lingering Souls. I am not gonna lie, it worked. I ran 4 equipment main also to avoid trying to win off the back of a 1/1 flyer. Jitte, SoLaS, SoFaI, and BSkull. I faced U/r delver twice and only lost when I double mull'd and faced 2 wasteland T2 and T3. I'm not saying I just cracked the code, but it won me a lot of games all night. I also ran 3 Vindicate main deck with 1 Council's Judgment next to my 4 StP and they did work all night too. Got some "WtF!!-s" all night with my Paladin en-Vecs out of the board haha! Yep. Hawk atack. Win.

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I'm curious about the Paladin. Why that over say a Kor Firewalker? Well Squadron Hawk is card advantage. I'm surprised it doesn't see more play. Like the Vindicates. Seems a lot of the Delver decks are not only having less Spell Pierces, but less lands as well.

Going forward, I'm wondering if Hymn to Tourach should be replaced with Sinkhole or a one mana discard. Crossing my fingers that they ban Cruise but since I think there were only about 10 copies in the top 8, that may not happen.

Even considering splashing blue for Notion Thief. Or maybe more green for Choke in the board. Anyone try Choke? A friend of mine who plays Elves tried Choke and didn't really like it.

I liked choke as a tutor target. Don't think I lost a game where I resolved it. I generally didn't bring it in against delver though. Mostly just the mid range blue decks. And miracles

The Paladin en-Vecs should be Firewalkers but I actually didn't have any handy at the time. It was relevant however against Abrupt Decay vs. BuG, and a Germ blocking wall against Batterskull.

No reason to play squandron after printing of Lingering souls.

Comparing to the standrad caw-blade deck which dominate the format in 2010-2011…they have Jtms, so they put hawks back, resolve the 1 copy in hand, and get cda again and again.

We cannot do that.

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Originally Posted by Tokugawa

No reason to play squandron after printing of Lingering souls.

Comparing to the standrad caw-blade deck which dominate the format in 2010-2011…they have Jtms, so they put hawks back, resolve the 1 copy in hand, and get cda again and again.

We cannot do that.

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Its better against terminus! :D

Hi guys first time posting in this thread. I usually play D&T but I have played Deadguy Ale before, both on MODO and in +100 player tournaments. But I have still not nearly the experience with Deadguy Ale that I have with D&T. So I'm looking to learn the deck better as I believe it's well positioned right now.

I play a lot on Magic Online (currently playing 2-3 legacy dailies a day). And the list I've come up with for right now is as follows:

20 lands:

3x Bloodstained Mire
1x Flooded Strand
4x Marsh Flats
1x Karakas
1x Plains
2x Swamp
4x Scrubland
4x Wasteland

20 Creatures:

4x Stoneforge Mystic
4x Serra Avenger
4x Dark Confidant
4x Tidehollow Sculler
4x Mother of Runes

20 other:

3x Thoughtseize
3x Swords to Plowshares
4x Aether Vial
4x Hymn to Tourach
1x Zealous Persecution
2x Council's Judgement
1x Umezawa's Jitte
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Batterskull

Sideboard:

1x Swords to Plowshares
1x Perish
2x Zealous Persecution
1x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2x Enlightened Tutor
2x Ethersworn Canonist
2x Rest in Peace
1x Spirit of the Labyrinth
1x Engineered Plague
1x Absolute Law
1x Circle of Protection: Red

I think this is good for the current MODO meta which consists of a lot of Stoneblade with True-Name Nemesis, a lot of burn and a good deal of miracles.

I also think that Choke is fantastic for the current meta so I will be testing a Deathrite Shaman version as well, but I am not settled on a list at all.

I hope I can help you guys find a great list for the UWR stoneblade infested meta we're going in to. And likewise that you can help me find a great list.

Maybe it's me but I just feel that Thoughtseize is awful right now. I'm preferring hymns mixed with cabal therapy atm. Hymn hits land and cabal can do serious work with lingering souls.

See I'm more on the train that Hymn isn't as good anymore. I'd rather have targeted discard to make sure I hit the equipment they find with Stoneforge

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Maybe it's me but I just feel that Thoughtseize is awful right now. I'm preferring hymns mixed with cabal therapy atm. Hymn hits land and cabal can do serious work with lingering souls.

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Considering Stoneforge is everywhere right now, I like Thoughtseize enough to play it. It's not good against UR delver but that is on a decline, and Thoughtseize is excellent against UWR stoneblade and miracles which is two of the decks I'm targetting.

I'm not sure about Hymn to Tourach but I'm gonna test it before I dismiss it. Normally, what sucks about Hymn to Tourach, is that you tap out on turn 2 to do add nothing to the board. But with Aether Vial you still develop your board and mana despite using 2 mana on a discard spell, so I think I like it.

Thoughtseize and Cabal Therapy are what you want to be playing if you're good enough, and Marc, you're good enough. I'd like it more if you were on the Souls plan, but if you're on a BW Vial list, you want Cabal. Hymn is kind of stinky right now.

-Matt

Hey Bahra, cool to see you here in the DGA thread. I've been a big fan of your stream for a while as it helped me get through a number of touchy naptimes when my son was teething, congrats on breaking through in paper last week!

I actually just watched the last two rounds of the daily you played tonight. I think your black & taxes approach is cool but it seems very subject to variance. When you can Vial into Wasteland-Thoughtseize-Mom into Hymn-draw step Sculler, it's great. But a lot of the time otherwise I feel like Sculler, Hymn, and Vial are underwhelming cards without some of the cooler D&T synergies (mono-color manabase and Rishadan Port).

I agree that we can be the best Zealous Persecution deck in the format. Because of that I really think Lingering Souls is a very strong card. I like it better than Avenger because it's resistant to Lightning Bolt (and there are always more Lightning Bolts than Forked Bolts) and can trade with Delver while still giving you bodies even without playing a ZP. Flying over the top with equipment is a huge bonus.

Personally I would rather have some combination of Top, Souls and Cabal Therapy over Vial, Sculler, and Hymn. Therapy + Souls can help rip the cards you're the most scared of, and Therapy + Top are both outs to Bob killing you (sometimes relevant). Thoughtseize into Therapy is very often game over against any deck to be honest.

If you like Avenger I think it's fine to keep as a 2-3 of for a late-game beater. There are lots of other options for such a slot, though: Wilkin likes Hero of Bladehold, Megadeus likes Restoration Angel, I've tried a bunch of stuff in there. Honestly Avenger having flying seems super important in a Young Pyromancer/TNN world, so I could see myself trying that as well.

I really like Council's Judgement right now too because of TNN. ZP can help us mop up Pyromancer spam but I always die miserably to TNN. How has 2 mainboard been for you? Would you make any other changes to the deck?

If you are interested in Black and Taxes, I highly recommend looking into Richard Cheese's version of it. I'm not sure but I think he put up a tourney report with it a while back, just do a quick search. It's a good starting point imo.

I played it a few months ago. I think it's good enough to at least test out. I just don't have access to, and therefore don't play it enough to know if it's good enough. It's probably not terrible with an optimal player and list though

Interesting Death and Taxes hybrid list. Unfortunately, Hymn to Tourach isn't that good right now because of Treasure Cruise. If I were to build a list it would look like this...

4 Dark Confidant
3 Thalia, Guardian Of Thraben
4 Mother of Runes
2 Brimaz
2 Orzhov Pontiff
3 Flickerwisp
2 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Spirit of the Labyrinth
4 Stoneforge Mystic

4 swords to plowshares
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 Aether Vial
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull
1 Council's Judgment

22 Lands.
4 scrubland
4 Marsh Flats
4 Wasteland
3 Plains
1 Swamp
2 Karakas
4 more fetches.

Sideboard
4 Thoughtseize
1 Duress
2 Containment Priest
1 Council's Judgment
2 Relic of Progenitus
1 Rest in Peace
2 Kor Firewalker
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Zealous Persecution



Tried to fit in Chrome Mox somehow. lol. Casting Thalia first turn vs Storm is awesome. But I couldn't. In the board, maybe some more spot removal like Disfigures or something as Sulfur Elemental is a beating. I feel right, now if you are going with a hybrid build that Pontiff is really good right now. Killing Elemental tokens, Young Pyromancer and True Name is great, and possibly being able to do it again either with Haunt or Flickerwisp is very enticing.

Couldn't really fit in Hymn. And as long as Treasure Cruise is around, Hymn isn't that good. But with a couple of Spirits main, there's an answer maindeck to Cruise.

Also considered Hero but Brimaz is much easier to Vial in, and in a Taxes Build you can afford to run more Karakas.