[Deck] GW/x Maverick

zealous persecutions works too

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Originally Posted by buloid

zealous persecutions works too

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This card looks absolutely bananas for GP Washington DC. Strongly considering playing EsperBlade or Dark Maverick just so that I can get full value out of Zealous Persecution.

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Originally Posted by Arsenal

Out aggro it? Maverick can often times present board states where it'll be disadvantageous for them to swing in with their 3/1 dude and they can't always count on it as defense when a lethal KotR is swinging w/ Mom protection.

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Exactly what I saw this week playing against an esperblade list with true name maindeck. Many situations where he would have a true name in play, but i would have a safekeeper/mom with knight or ooze/pridemage, or a mix of those, so in most of those games swinging with true name would mean taking an insane amount of damage on the backswing. So all in all, it was playing out almost the same as the old esperblade matchup, and it would become harder post side as they would side in more removal. The only thing that would tip the balance towards him was a jitte equiped on the fish, or any sort of sword. however, to make a concession to that situation, I included abrupt decay again in my 75 in order to have more ways to kill a jitte or a sword, while still having some versatility. Now, I am looking to see if I want them maindeck or if I leave them in the sideboard. If the GP ends up being as infested by TNN as BoM Paris seemed to be, then I think decay will definitely be maindecked, probably along a sword of fire and ice.

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Originally Posted by Morte

I can understand your astonishment - this is Most! A very wierd deck, it seems to make no sense on paper. I think it's played only in Italy and only by very few people, if not just by its creator, since it's extremely difficult to pilot. Anyway, in the hands of a good pilot it's very strong, as you can see by its results on TCDecks.

Here's a link to the Italian thread of Most on Tipo1:

http://www.tipo1.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=27255

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This is an updated build of a very old deck, one that's very close to my heart. ATS - Angry Tradewind Survival, or its earlier iteration: 5CG (5 color green) or 5 Color Flagpole which evolved into RecSur - Recurring Nightmare/Survival of the Fittest. This deck relied on Survival of the Fittest fetching Squee to get a practically unlimited way to fetch the effect that you need the most when you need it.

The old build had birds to turbo out a T2 Survival of the Fittest with one G available to fetch squee on your opponent's T2. This meant that you could now go for whatever hatebear or toolbox creature you needed at that time because Squee would just return to your hand each upkeep, ready to be discarded again.

This deck now runs Fauna Shaman to cover the Survival, which admittedly is much more vulnerable, but that's why mother of runes is an autoinclude. It slowed the original engine down, but the principle is still there.

This deck now goes over the top with GSZ as an additional fetch method, and Murkfiend Liege to abuse Tradewind Rider. A typical mainphase would mean you returning an opponent's permanent with Tradewind and two of your weenies, return a forest via quirion ranger to untap Tradewind Rider, return another permanent with it. On your opponent's untap step, Murkfiend Liege triggers, untapping all your creatures, and you can proceed to return one (or two) permanents with Tradewind Rider. Take note that Tradewind returns any permanent, even planeswalkers.

It's a difficult deck to play against because it will simply Negate or FoW a spell it can't play around. If it plays a creature without haste, it's fine because Tradewind can block it or just return it. If your deck has 4cc sweepers, there's always Gaddock and Glen Elendra to defend. Got a spell that will kill the deck? Meddling Mage is there. Playing Show and Tell? There's Merieke and Peacekeeper.

Tradewind recurrs any ETB abilities that your creatures can have too. If your Glen Elendra has a persist counter, just return it and cast it as a fresh creature.

My old build gained card advantage using the Stampeeding Wildebeests (yes, the 5/4 trampler) that combo'd with Wall of Blossoms so i gained a card each turn and put the opponent on a 3-4 turn clock.

It's a fun deck to play and will surprise any opponent. The key here is to kill the Fauna Shaman, the main part of the engine.

oh i missed another interaction.

Merieke Ri Berit destroys the creature it controls once you untap it. Meaning you can gain control of any creature by tapping it, using Quirion Ranger to untap Merieke, thus destroying the first creature. Then tap again to gain control of another creature, use Scryb Ranger to untap.

Or just wait til next turn when everything gets untapped by Murkfiend :p

And yes, Merieke can gain control of Emrakul.

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Originally Posted by mishima_kazuya

This card looks absolutely bananas for GP Washington DC. Strongly considering playing EsperBlade or Dark Maverick just so that I can get full value out of Zealous Persecution.

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I ended 13th at BOM with a dark Mav. B was just for DRS activations (4 in the main), a decay and 2 zealous P in the board

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Originally Posted by nicoleptik

I ended 13th at BOM with a dark Mav. B was just for DRS activations (4 in the main), a decay and 2 zealous P in the board

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Could you share your list?

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Originally Posted by nicoleptik

I ended 13th at BOM with a dark Mav. B was just for DRS activations (4 in the main), a decay and 2 zealous P in the board

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A tournament report would be awesome if you are willing ;) It has been a good week for maverick and these big tournaments have renewed my vigor to remain steadfast with Maverick.

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Originally Posted by ironclad8690

A tournament report would be awesome if you are willing ;) It has been a good week for maverick and these big tournaments have renewed my vigor to remain steadfast with Maverick.

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I have made one but in french. No time to translate it, sorry. You could find my list here
http://deckstats.net/decks/319/44148-maverock-bom

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Originally Posted by nicoleptik

I have made one but in french. No time to translate it, sorry. You could find my list here
http://deckstats.net/decks/319/44148-maverock-bom

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Link to french report?

This is my list for DC anyone have any suggestions? I have two open slots in my board

2forest
1 plains
4 waste
4 Heath
1 cradle
1 canopy
1 karakas*
4 savannah
1 maze
1 cavern
1 arbor
2 misty
1 sylvan*
4 stp
4 gsz
1 jitte
1 batter skull*
1 sword of F/I*
1 elspeth
4 noble
4 KOTR
4 mom
2 ooZe
1 scryb
1 safekeeper
2 sfm
1 safekeeper*
1 sigarda
2 pridemage
3 Thalia

2 oring
2 canonist*
2 tutor
1 path*
1 revoker
1 manriki
1 rip
1 crypt*
1 cage
1 Stone silence
2 free slots

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Originally Posted by buloid

This is an updated build of a very old deck, one that's very close to my heart. ATS - Angry Tradewind Survival, or its earlier iteration: 5CG (5 color green) or 5 Color Flagpole which evolved into RecSur - Recurring Nightmare/Survival of the Fittest. This deck relied on Survival of the Fittest fetching Squee to get a practically unlimited way to fetch the effect that you need the most when you need it.

The old build had birds to turbo out a T2 Survival of the Fittest with one G available to fetch squee on your opponent's T2. This meant that you could now go for whatever hatebear or toolbox creature you needed at that time because Squee would just return to your hand each upkeep, ready to be discarded again.

This deck now runs Fauna Shaman to cover the Survival, which admittedly is much more vulnerable, but that's why mother of runes is an autoinclude. It slowed the original engine down, but the principle is still there.

This deck now goes over the top with GSZ as an additional fetch method, and Murkfiend Liege to abuse Tradewind Rider. A typical mainphase would mean you returning an opponent's permanent with Tradewind and two of your weenies, return a forest via quirion ranger to untap Tradewind Rider, return another permanent with it. On your opponent's untap step, Murkfiend Liege triggers, untapping all your creatures, and you can proceed to return one (or two) permanents with Tradewind Rider. Take note that Tradewind returns any permanent, even planeswalkers.

It's a difficult deck to play against because it will simply Negate or FoW a spell it can't play around. If it plays a creature without haste, it's fine because Tradewind can block it or just return it. If your deck has 4cc sweepers, there's always Gaddock and Glen Elendra to defend. Got a spell that will kill the deck? Meddling Mage is there. Playing Show and Tell? There's Merieke and Peacekeeper.

Tradewind recurrs any ETB abilities that your creatures can have too. If your Glen Elendra has a persist counter, just return it and cast it as a fresh creature.

My old build gained card advantage using the Stampeeding Wildebeests (yes, the 5/4 trampler) that combo'd with Wall of Blossoms so i gained a card each turn and put the opponent on a 3-4 turn clock.

It's a fun deck to play and will surprise any opponent. The key here is to kill the Fauna Shaman, the main part of the engine.

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This deck sounds hilariously fun. 15 lands seems nuts, but I guess you have 8 mana dorks. It also seems like Prophet of Kruphix might be slightly better than Murkfiend with all the ETB effects available. Damnit now you've got me all interested and I'm trying not to spend money on cards right now!

@nicoleptik decklist

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I ended 13th at BOM with a dark Mav. B was just for DRS activations (4 in the main), a decay and 2 zealous P in the board

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4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Mother of Runes
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Noble Hierarch
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scryb Ranger
2 Sylvan Library
2 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Abrupt Decay
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wasteland
3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Savannah
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Maze of Ith
1 Scrubland
1 Karakas
1 Forest
2 Bayou
1 Plains

//SB

2 Choke
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Oblivion Ring
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Sphere of Resistance
2 Zealous Persecution
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Rest in Peace
1 Dueling Grounds
2 Pithing Needle


Interesting choose about sb - what was the reason to pick up sphere of resistance instead of thorn of amethyst ?

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Originally Posted by blackdiamonds

This is my list for DC anyone have any suggestions? I have two open slots in my board

*List*

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I'm liking the looks of this list, the 4 Mom + Safekeeper is where you want to be right now I think if you're on a Stoneforge package.
Sideboard seems solid, I might run another Path to Exile. I'd be curious to know what your sideboard plan is regarding Stony Silence and Manriki-Gusari.

Stony Silence is a personal favorite of mine against petal/mox/led based combo decks.
Manriki-Gusari is sweet against Stoneblade and D&T, but do you also bring in Stony Silence and/or Enlightened Tutor for either matchup?

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Originally Posted by haganbmj

I'm liking the looks of this list, the 4 Mom + Safekeeper is where you want to be right now I think if you're on a Stoneforge package.
Sideboard seems solid, I might run another Path to Exile. I'd be curious to know what your sideboard plan is regarding Stony Silence and Manriki-Gusari.

Stony Silence is a personal favorite of mine against petal/mox/led based combo decks.
Manriki-Gusari is sweet against Stoneblade and D&T, but do you also bring in Stony Silence and/or Enlightened Tutor for either matchup?

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I would rather play Tower of the Magistrate than Manriki-Gusari. It being another mana source is helpful against Tempo decks (and particularly UWR Delver) while still nixing equipment strategies. Bonus points for being fetchable via KotR via GSZ (or Crop Rotation); and for being useful against Affinity or MUD.

I too favor the Path to Exile in the sideboard as additional spot removal. I would also supplement it with Zealous Persecution against D&T, Elves, and Goblins for decks utilizing black mana splashes.

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Originally Posted by haganbmj

I'm liking the looks of this list, the 4 Mom + Safekeeper is where you want to be right now I think if you're on a Stoneforge package.
Sideboard seems solid, I might run another Path to Exile. I'd be curious to know what your sideboard plan is regarding Stony Silence and Manriki-Gusari.

Stony Silence is a personal favorite of mine against petal/mox/led based combo decks.
Manriki-Gusari is sweet against Stoneblade and D&T, but do you also bring in Stony Silence and/or Enlightened Tutor for either matchup?

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Vs dnt I bring in revoker over Stoney because I just want to name vial n manriki vs the equipment. Stoney vs artifact mana decks n obvi artifact decks. I need another slot any idea on maybe a single geddon?

Between my open SB slots I was thinking lay line of sanctity, ghostly prison, dueling grounds, dragon claw,armageddon,thrinasphere,Aven mind censor,mindbreak trap, harmonic sliver, Garruck relentless. Never tested but master of the wild hunt.

Master of the Wild Hunt is pretty great against BUG Shardless since they struggle to remove it. It's pretty shitty against anything running Bolts, though.

What's our plan to deal with True-Name Nemesis? SFM + SoFaI like the D&T guys are planning to do?

Why aren't we running Mirran Crusader, though? He's part of the reason why D&T performs way better against BUG Shardless than we do. In a GW build with lots of Exalted triggers, Elspeth and equipment, he should be an excellent threat. We can run a split with KotR (which can be still tutored for via GSZ) - while she has great utility factor, she isn't that hot as a beater if your opponent has DRS or RIP.

I'm currently toying with the idea of making such a GW build. Maybe I'm even trying out Mayor of Avabruck - a GSZ-able Human Lord that can shit out 3/3 tokens when transformed. If I do that, I'm also going to throw in Garruk Relentless and Master of the Wild Hunt for added shenanigans.

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Originally Posted by Luklinda

Link to french report?

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First day here: http://www.legacy-france.org/index.p...c=11126&st=165 on the middle of the page, second day some pages later.

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Originally Posted by blackdiamonds

This is my list for DC anyone have any suggestions?

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i will never attend a tournament with Maverick and no Choke in the board. Won me three games alone at the BOM.

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Originally Posted by Fatal

what was the reason to pick up sphere of resistance instead of thorn of amethyst ?

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Sphere was here cause I wanted another card which could be usefull in the elves MU and vs Storm to. I would rather play another Gaddock or a lonely Mindbreak trap.

What's our plan vs the new Toxic Deluge? Seems like it would be a beating.

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Originally Posted by buloid

oh i missed another interaction.

Merieke Ri Berit destroys the creature it controls once you untap it. Meaning you can gain control of any creature by tapping it, using Quirion Ranger to untap Merieke, thus destroying the first creature. Then tap again to gain control of another creature, use Scryb Ranger to untap.

Or just wait til next turn when everything gets untapped by Murkfiend :p

And yes, Merieke can gain control of Emrakul.

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Hi,
can it be that we played against each other at the Super Sunday Legacy event at GP Florence in 2010? I played Jund Aggro Loam and you were playing 5c Survival and I lost 2 times :-) First time in the finals of a Sideevent and second in the Mainevent Round 6...
First I thought what kind of random shit but then got blasted by stasis and merieke
:eek::eek:
Looks strange but it is soooo teched!

For example: I had double crusher (7/7 8/8 or so) and he took control of both with Merieke and crushed me with that:eek: Cant remember anymore how exactly it worked but it worked.
In a other game I had double crusher + Goyf in beatdown mode and he ruined my day with stasis + Quirion Ranger + Noble Hierarch:eek:
I couldnt believe at the first moment that stasis were legacy legal because its soo powerful and nobody played it:laugh:
I take my hat of Mr. Survival! Only guy I lost to this weekend in legacy!



Greetings

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Originally Posted by Maëlig

What's our plan vs the new Toxic Deluge?

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Die like a bitch since Teeg can't stop it - or pack Lifeforce in your sideboard.

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Originally Posted by oSeabass

-I have considered Master before in my 75, but I don't know if he really deserves a spot. I haven't tested with him enough.

-Sigarda in the main deck seems good against Show and Tell based decks, but how often do you have it in hand against the fast Show and Tells (turn 3 ish)? It not really feasible to rush it out with a GSZ of even hard cast it, because by the time you do Emrakul should have already attacked for the game and wipe the board. I don't know how I feel about the Sigarda main... it is 1 card to beat Show and Tell main deck, and you NEED to have it in hand for it to be relevant.

-Fire and Ice is solid, and I really like having it in the 75. It is my maindeck sword of choice for now to go along with Jitte. I opt to leave Batterskull in the board. In race matches where I am fighting down a hoard of tribal things, Jitte normally does the trick for cheaper and sometimes you can even drop it and play it the same turn you find it with a late game SFM. I have found the only real way to get Batterskull down is with SFM (who either eats removal, or the Batterskull gets Durressed out), or having a large board and Cradle.

-I know older lists ran Garruk as another removal spell in a pinch. Have you brought him in as removal (if so against what decks), or have you used him as a token machine (again, which decks)? I haven't played with him yet, so I am not sure of his place in the list.

-I really like the 3/2 split on Deathrites and Nobles. In a 3 color deck I feel 5 mana dorks is just right. A 4/1 split doesn't make sense, seeing as how the Exalted is a really nice bonus and Noble works on an empty graveyard or against decks not running fetches to fuel YOUR shaman (don't shrink Knight if we don't have to).

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-Master is a pretty big beating against Shardless BUG which was very popular both locally and nationally during the past few months. Even then I'd still consider it replaceable if a better SB option presents itself.

-I almost consider it's benefit against other midrange decks to be a much greater reason to have it in the MB. With 5 mana dorks and Cradle it's easy to have the mana required to fetch her via GSZ. Having a haymaker to GSZ for is very comforting for me at least.

-Depending on what I take out of the SB, I'm considering trying to put a SoFaI and Zealous Persecution in there to hedge a little against TNN. Also a 3rd Persecution obviously helps against Elves, mirror match, D&T, and even combo decks on the Empty plan.

-Like Master, Garruk is pretty good against midrange decks that feature cards like Baleful Strix, DRS, and Dark Confidant. Can't be made bolt-proof by mom but taking eating one of their vital creatures then them having to throw a bolt at it isn't the worst thing in the world.

-Yep, that's the exact reasoning I use anytime I'm thinking of switching up the 3/2 split now. No other configuration feels right.

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Originally Posted by Barook

Master of the Wild Hunt is pretty great against BUG Shardless since they struggle to remove it. It's pretty shitty against anything running Bolts, though.

What's our plan to deal with True-Name Nemesis? SFM + SoFaI like the D&T guys are planning to do?

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Master doesn't seem too bad against Jund. Aren't most lists only running 2 bolts now?

As far as TNN goes, I'm thinking about putting Elspeth back in the MB which I took out after making the jump to the black splash. Also putting either a 3rd Zealous Persecution, 1 Engineered Plague, or 1 SoFaI in the SB. SoFaI is more reliable against TNN specifically due to SFM but the other 2 are better in different matchups.

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Originally Posted by Barook

Die like a bitch since Teeg can't stop it - or pack Lifeforce in your sideboard.

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Now that is some sweet old school tech. Almost makes me want to go back to an enlightened tutor sideboard.

This is what I'm currently at for the GP in DC this coming weekend.
Currently I'm debating if I want a fifth mana guy in the mainboard, if I want a fourth discard spell, and if I want to find space for a Zealous Persecution in the sideboard. I always expect to face a number of tribal decks at larger events (played against 3 goblins and fish last scg open), so between that and TNN I wouldn't mind finding the space. I actually wouldn't mind trying out an Engineered Plague in that slot either, maybe I'll try testing that at Legacy tomorrow evening.

2 Bayou
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
1 Plains
3 Savannah
1 Scrubland
3 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath

2 Noble Hierarch
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
3 Mother of Runes
2 Scavenging Ooze
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Qasali Pridemage
4 Knight of the Reliquary

4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Thoughtseize
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Sylvan Library

1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice

Sideboard:

1 Bojuka Bog
1 Crop Rotation
1 Thoughtseize
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Life from the Loam
2 Choke
2 Oblivion Ring
1 Sword of Light and Shadow

I feel like maverick could win the gp

Does anyone continued testing with ESG?

I really gave good results, I never regretted to have her in hand ... what worries me now is the TNN, what answers we have in straight G / W??

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Originally Posted by haganbmj

This is what I'm currently at for the GP in DC this coming weekend.
Currently I'm debating if I want a fifth mana guy in the mainboard, if I want a fourth discard spell, and if I want to find space for a Zealous Persecution in the sideboard. I always expect to face a number of tribal decks at larger events (played against 3 goblins and fish last scg open), so between that and TNN I wouldn't mind finding the space. I actually wouldn't mind trying out an Engineered Plague in that slot either, maybe I'll try testing that at Legacy tomorrow evening.

2 Bayou
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
1 Plains
3 Savannah
1 Scrubland
3 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath

2 Noble Hierarch
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
3 Mother of Runes
2 Scavenging Ooze
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Qasali Pridemage
4 Knight of the Reliquary

4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Thoughtseize
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Sylvan Library

1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice

Sideboard:

1 Bojuka Bog
1 Crop Rotation
1 Thoughtseize
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Life from the Loam
2 Choke
2 Oblivion Ring
1 Sword of Light and Shadow

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My dark maverick build is very close to yours. I would recommend cutting the abrupt decay and sword of light and shadow from your board for 2 zealous persecution. SoLaS is good against the same decks that Zealous is, and the 3rd abrupt decay might be overkill. That being said your deck looks solid, and of course you can do as you'd like.

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Originally Posted by ironclad8690

My dark maverick build is very close to yours. I would recommend cutting the abrupt decay and sword of light and shadow from your board for 2 zealous persecution. SoLaS is good against the same decks that Zealous is, and the 3rd abrupt decay might be overkill. That being said your deck looks solid, and of course you can do as you'd like.

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I could get behind cutting the Decay and the Sword - both seem like reasonable excludes once I have access to Persecution.
I'm trying to figure out just how exactly my board shapes up in most of the common matchups, but I think running two Zealous Persecution is something I could get behind.

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Originally Posted by ironclad8690

My dark maverick build is very close to yours. I would recommend cutting the abrupt decay and sword of light and shadow from your board for 2 zealous persecution. SoLaS is good against the same decks that Zealous is, and the 3rd abrupt decay might be overkill. That being said your deck looks solid, and of course you can do as you'd like.

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good luck!

your deck looks solid, very similar to a build i took in a tournament recently. i may have asked this before, but i'm just interested in your justification.. why 3 moms and 1 safekeeper instead of 4 moms?

did you consider Batterskull in the board? why or why not? is it because you don't have Gaeas cradle that you decided against it?

why no >4cc bombs such as Thrun, Sigarda or Master of the Wild Hunt?

i agree with zealous persecution. the tournament i joined still didn't have True Name legal in legacy, but the persecution did a lot of work against the mirror and esperblade.

and for the crop rotation, is it only vs rug that you'll board this in?

my thoughts for your consideration

-1 ooze main, -1 safekeeper main, +2 mirran crusader.
+1 ooze board, -1 crop rotation



Thanks!

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Originally Posted by buloid

good luck!
[...] but the persecution did a lot of work against the mirror and esperblade[...]

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And Elves. And D&T. And Grixi...
Persecution is a must have right now, and an incentive to splash black by itself.

So this is basically what I'll be taking to the GP. Am I going too heavy on the 4+ drop haymakers? Thinking of cutting Garruk for a Sword of Fire and Ice since it seems like TNN is going to still be all over the place this weekend. Plus Garruk almost never truly shines unlike Sigarda vs Jund, jumping KOTR with Elspeth, or Master vs BUG. Besides that I'm very happy with my current list and feel confidant going into the weekend.

Creatures:
3x Deathrite Shaman
2x Noble Hierarch
4x Mother of Runes
1x Scryb Ranger
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Gaddock Teeg
2x Stoneforge Mystic
3x Thalia
4x Knight of the Reliquary
1x Sigarda
1x Dryad Arbor

Equip:
1x Batterskull
1x Jitte

Other:
4x Swords to Plowshares
2x Abrupt Decay
4x Green Sun's Zenith
1x Sylvan Library
1x Elspeth, Knight-Errant

Lands:
2x Savannah
2x Bayou
1x Scrubland
4x Windswept Heath
3x Verdant Catacombs
4x Wasteland
2x Horizon Canopy
1x Plains
1x Forest
1x Karakas
1x Cradle

Sideboard:
2x Ethersworn Canonist
4x Thoughtseize
1x Engineered Plague
2x Zealous Persecution
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Sylvan Safekeeper
1x Garruk Relentless
1x Master of the Wild Hunt
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Scavenging Ooze

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Originally Posted by bumgun

So this is basically what I'll be taking to the GP. Am I going too heavy on the 4+ drop haymakers? Thinking of cutting Garruk for a Sword of Fire and Ice since it seems like TNN is going to still be all over the place this weekend. Plus Garruk almost never truly shines unlike Sigarda vs Jund, jumping KOTR with Elspeth, or Master vs BUG. Besides that I'm very happy with my current list and feel confidant going into the weekend.

Creatures:
3x Deathrite Shaman
2x Noble Hierarch
4x Mother of Runes
1x Scryb Ranger
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Gaddock Teeg
2x Stoneforge Mystic
3x Thalia
4x Knight of the Reliquary
1x Sigarda
1x Dryad Arbor

Equip:
1x Batterskull
1x Jitte

Other:
4x Swords to Plowshares
2x Abrupt Decay
4x Green Sun's Zenith
1x Sylvan Library
1x Elspeth, Knight-Errant

Lands:
2x Savannah
2x Bayou
1x Scrubland
4x Windswept Heath
3x Verdant Catacombs
4x Wasteland
2x Horizon Canopy
1x Plains
1x Forest
1x Karakas
1x Cradle

Sideboard:
2x Ethersworn Canonist
4x Thoughtseize
1x Engineered Plague
2x Zealous Persecution
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Sylvan Safekeeper
1x Garruk Relentless
1x Master of the Wild Hunt
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Scavenging Ooze

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This looks like a very different build from what you initially put, making the deck more top heavy. I hate to see the day when i draw 3-4 4cc guys in my opening hand x.x But i do understand where youre coming from based on the decks you are anticipating to face.

I suggest you take off Elspeth since you're not playing Mirran.
Mainboard the SOFaI and put Batterskull in the Board. This is more of a meta call because of TNN, which is probably why you took off Maze of Ith too.

just my two cents, but your list looks solid nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by bumgun

So this is basically what I'll be taking to the GP. Am I going too heavy on the 4+ drop haymakers? Thinking of cutting Garruk for a Sword of Fire and Ice since it seems like TNN is going to still be all over the place this weekend. Plus Garruk almost never truly shines unlike Sigarda vs Jund, jumping KOTR with Elspeth, or Master vs BUG. Besides that I'm very happy with my current list and feel confidant going into the weekend.

Creatures:
3x Deathrite Shaman
2x Noble Hierarch
4x Mother of Runes
1x Scryb Ranger
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Gaddock Teeg
2x Stoneforge Mystic
3x Thalia
4x Knight of the Reliquary
1x Sigarda
1x Dryad Arbor

Equip:
1x Batterskull
1x Jitte

Other:
4x Swords to Plowshares
2x Abrupt Decay
4x Green Sun's Zenith
1x Sylvan Library
1x Elspeth, Knight-Errant

Lands:
2x Savannah
2x Bayou
1x Scrubland
4x Windswept Heath
3x Verdant Catacombs
4x Wasteland
2x Horizon Canopy
1x Plains
1x Forest
1x Karakas
1x Cradle

Sideboard:
2x Ethersworn Canonist
4x Thoughtseize
1x Engineered Plague
2x Zealous Persecution
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Sylvan Safekeeper
1x Garruk Relentless
1x Master of the Wild Hunt
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Scavenging Ooze

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My 2 cents on your list, which matches my tastes a lot:
- I would switch the Abrupt Decay main for the pridemage in the board, as the equipments will be prevalent (on TNN) next weeks and being able to search for an answer is priceless. Decay is more usefull in a tempo metagame
- Safekeeper is not impactfull enough to be a SB card. If you want to play it, put it in the main for a Mother
- As I said previously, I will never attend a big tournament without Choke in my board. Same goes for O Ring, which is mandatory to have a chance vs S&T decks. Discard is not where you want to be in these MU, as the endless stream of cantrips on their side decrease a lot the efficiency of your Discard Spells.
- What is your boarding plan vs Miracles? I would dedicate one/two SB sloat to improve the MU (in my SB i got two Pithing needles to shut down top/Jace)

Good luck for the GP

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Originally Posted by buloid

[...]I suggest you take off Elspeth since you're not playing Mirran. [...]

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I wouldn't do that as a huge flying Knight is great vs TNN. The best hope we have when facing TNN is to race it, as we have no MD way to remove it. Flying over and boosting the stats of your creature is a good way to do that.

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Originally Posted by buloid

good luck!

your deck looks solid, very similar to a build i took in a tournament recently. i may have asked this before, but i'm just interested in your justification.. why 3 moms and 1 safekeeper instead of 4 moms?

did you consider Batterskull in the board? why or why not? is it because you don't have Gaeas cradle that you decided against it?

why no >4cc bombs such as Thrun, Sigarda or Master of the Wild Hunt?

i agree with zealous persecution. the tournament i joined still didn't have True Name legal in legacy, but the persecution did a lot of work against the mirror and esperblade.

and for the crop rotation, is it only vs rug that you'll board this in?

my thoughts for your consideration

-1 ooze main, -1 safekeeper main, +2 mirran crusader.
+1 ooze board, -1 crop rotation

Thanks!

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I've been playing 3/1 for a while, but I played 4 Moms a few weeks ago, then switched back. I like having Safekeeper as a GSZ target because I find that I often just need a turn or two of protection to stabilize the board. Safekeeper has qasi-haste and is an efficient answer.

I used to run Batterskull mainboard actually - it's a bit worse without Cradle, but certainly manageable. Since I'm on 2 Stoneforge + Black Spells now I opted to drop it. There are plenty of situations where I've wanted to have a Batterskull available to tutor out, but at the moment I'm just not sure that I have the space for it now with the spell count in the deck.

As for Sigarda/Thrun/Master it boils down to not having Cradle in the deck. With deathrites I found my mana weaker as I don't have as many dedicated (and reliable) mana sources as I once did. I'd like to be running a Sigarda, it's certainly a very powerful card that can win matchups on its own, but I neither own a cradle nor do I think I'd be able to run Cradle without cutting back on a spell (probably a Thoughtseize) - there's no way I'd run Cradle over a land. Once I test a bit more with this list I'll probably pick up a Cradle at the LGS and brew with that.

At the moment I'm at 2 Persecution in the board.

Crop Rotation is outdated, and I've had it in far too long, but it's for Dredge, Reanimator, and Sneak/Show (marginal) predominately. It's the next card on the chopping block.

I certainly like Mirran Crusader main - the last time I played Junk I ran three and enjoyed smashing opponents with him. I'll have to see what I can do with the list to squeeze 'em in. I'm not a fan of running fewer Scavenging Oozes - I find him to be important against Goyf and Deathrite decks - and prefer to have the second to increase the changes of naturally drawing one.


The big thing I'm questioning right now is the number of Sylvan Libraries to run. Now that I have 2 Abrupt Decay in the main it's less difficult to find a removal spell, and I might want to cut the Library in order to run some more interesting threats such as Mirran Crusader.

Thanks for your ideas buloid.

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Originally Posted by haganbmj

I've been playing 3/1 for a while, but I played 4 Moms a few weeks ago, then switched back. I like having Safekeeper as a GSZ target because I find that I often just need a turn or two of protection to stabilize the board. Safekeeper has qasi-haste and is an efficient answer.

I used to run Batterskull mainboard actually - it's a bit worse without Cradle, but certainly manageable. Since I'm on 2 Stoneforge + Black Spells now I opted to drop it. There are plenty of situations where I've wanted to have a Batterskull available to tutor out, but at the moment I'm just not sure that I have the space for it now with the spell count in the deck.

As for Sigarda/Thrun/Master it boils down to not having Cradle in the deck. With deathrites I found my mana weaker as I don't have as many dedicated (and reliable) mana sources as I once did. I'd like to be running a Sigarda, it's certainly a very powerful card that can win matchups on its own, but I neither own a cradle nor do I think I'd be able to run Cradle without cutting back on a spell (probably a Thoughtseize) - there's no way I'd run Cradle over a land. Once I test a bit more with this list I'll probably pick up a Cradle at the LGS and brew with that.

At the moment I'm at 2 Persecution in the board.

Crop Rotation is outdated, and I've had it in far too long, but it's for Dredge, Reanimator, and Sneak/Show (marginal) predominately. It's the next card on the chopping block.

I certainly like Mirran Crusader main - the last time I played Junk I ran three and enjoyed smashing opponents with him. I'll have to see what I can do with the list to squeeze 'em in. I'm not a fan of running fewer Scavenging Oozes - I find him to be important against Goyf and Deathrite decks - and prefer to have the second to increase the changes of naturally drawing one.


The big thing I'm questioning right now is the number of Sylvan Libraries to run. Now that I have 2 Abrupt Decay in the main it's less difficult to find a removal spell, and I might want to cut the Library in order to run some more interesting threats such as Mirran Crusader.

Thanks for your ideas buloid.

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I still swear by 1 Sylvan, but i know of other players who have taken it out totally.

I still keep 1 in my deck at all times.

5-2-1 drop at GP Washington DC. Lost to ANT and RUG Delver, drew against UWb Stoneblade w/ Truename. I'll post a short report later.
Zealous Persecution was fine in the sideboard all day. Definitely liked my list and would play it again. [There were 3 times today when I wished I had Rogue's Passage in my deck - I might try to work that back in, or test out the Dark Depths plan as an alternate]

Loss to ANT was him t1 Ad Nauseum-ing into the win while I sat with Teegles and Thalia in hand. Game two he just had the nuts 4 rituals + led to beat my Thalia + Wasteland on his t3. Definitely think the matchup was fine and my keeps were fine.