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EE doesn't take care 3 important cards:Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanpei
1. Karakas/Academy Ruin/Grove of the Burnwillows
2. Jace TMS
3. Sneak Attack
and it might take out your own RiP in the process. Hence, if you run PFire, EE might be your preference, along with Academy Ruin.
EE can kill jace in my version ^_^Quote:
Originally Posted by twndomn
at the cheap price of UWGR(2)
(while we have access to Pyroblast.)
The only troublesome planeswalker is Liliana, that's where we need Celestial Purge
Legacy Punishing Miracles vs Opalescence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rhR3egx9CQ
and there it shows the problem we all explained further and further.
You just played non basics both games and if you could pack 2 Blood Moon + Enlightened Tutor, you would have win those 2 matches turn 3 leaving him with a sad face like this --> :cry:
Punishing Fire is a wonderfull SIDEBOARD card. But at the point I honestly would prefer Lightning Bolt, Forked Bolt or Pyroclasm
BTW in his second match he plays an Opalescence with you all tapped.
Why didn't you let him resolve, bit you for 12, and then Terminus him on your draw step for fucking huge card advantage? Also you would have gotten rid of Leylines too for a sure GG
Yep, was going to say the same. Your life total isn't under huge pressure if you wipe his stuff, so not take the hit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poron
sure, terminus is probably better there
Poron is probably correct in saying blood moon is very good right now. People are being very greedy with their manabases ATM and I think it would be wrong to play without it. That being said your list has to support it. Anyone's lists would be nice. I'm working on one myself. Not sure if playing without helm in these versions is ever correct, let's find out!
Allow me to rephrase, you are basically suggesting people to play Joe's version, which has Blood Moon and without Helm.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaosjr
Unless I missed something, he doesn't play blood moon.Quote:
Originally Posted by twndomn
Joe has stated Blood Moon does not work in his list because he needs the synergy of karakas and his legendary creatures
I don't play blood moon in my deck. However, I agree that it seems quite good right now. A lot of people will probably win games with it. But I don't plan on being one of them. It is a powerful but narrow card. I prefer my sideboard cards in this deck to have as broad an impact as possible.
It occurs to me that this is perhaps backwards. It generally makes more sense to have widely useful maindeck cards and tightly aimed sideboard cards that can cripple certain decks. I don't come close to following that right now. That may be a consequence of Legacy's diversity. I want to be able to have a reasonable shot at whatever I get paired against, and there are so many playable decks.
This may not be the best way to approach things, but it works for me. The downsides to this are obvious: I get less free wins. The upside is that I hardly give up any. What single card blows me out?
Okay fine, turn one Cloudpost means I am pretty much done for. But few, if any, others.
Also, playing Blood Moon would wipe out a lot of Venser's power... and I love Venser!
The good point in playing 3x Englithened Tutor is that you play 1x MD (and/or 1x SB).
It is definitly a light slot system.
1 Blood Moon MD becomes a 1x Humility G2 if necessary (you said Cloudpost's decks?) EDIT: Here is it was "Rest in Peace" for Humility
At that point you only fear Repeal, but that's what you save your Pyroblasts and hard counters for.
Ulamog, the infinite gyre > Humility
it's counter war, then.
may be nerder win
BTW if Cloudpost is such a bad matchup may be we can play some Stifle MD/SB?
Primeval Titan, Emrakul, Kozilek, Ulamog, they all work with triggered abilities.
Or even better: my version doesn't play creatures.
I might pack 1x Cursed Totem SB (for maverick) and 1x Torpor Orb (SB) for Cloudpost..
Torpor Orb + Humility + Blood Moon are all tutorable cards and might fill that matchup. Overall, all in 1x
G2
-1 Rest in Peace
-2 Energy Field
+1 Humility
+1 Torpor Orb
+1 (2nd) Blood Moon
+3 Pyroblast
-3 Spell Pierce (like hell you're gonna make it effective there..)
Don't board out Spell Pierces against CloudPost in G2, especially if you happen to be on the play. Countering their Top/Map is crucial.
But generally I think that it is just a waste of time to prepare for 12Post. I mean I did win once against it, by CounterBalancing them out of the game after Piering their Top but...you know...bad MU is bad MU...rather focus on some of the more frequent decks...
Greetings
my "preparetions" for it would end up in a single Torpor Orb in SB.
I already play all the rest in my 75..
Problem is, while Torpor Orb stops Primeval Titan's ETB ability, it doesn't stop the Eldrazi triggered abilities, since those are triggered when you cast them, not when they enter the battlefield :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Poron
Edit: wait... why are we even talking about Humility and Torpor Orb? In an earlier post, you said we should replace Blood Moon with the SB Humility against Cloud Post. But... Blood Moon is actually our *best card* against that deck! They can't do anything without their lands! If anything, we should bring in 2 more Blood Moons and/or Back to the Basics!
Further edit: here is a past discussion of the 12post matchup: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post709631
definitly misstyped: you remove Rest in Peace (not Blood Moon) and add Humility
you'll notice in my late post I add more Blood Moon (the second) to the main deck for G2.
About Torpor Orb, I'm sorry if it doesn't work... that's a problem :cry:. Thought so actually