[Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

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Originally Posted by Barook

I don't get the bitching about the new Wasteland art. It isn't the best thing ever, but it's solid. The frame, though...


Does a class action suit even have a realistic chance to succeed? I know it's America where you can sue for all kinds of stupid shit and win, but still...

That said, I don't give a shit about the RL anymore. Asian fake card quality seems to be increasing quite a bit lately. It's only a matter of time now until they're perfect and then the prices will crash since a) demand can be fulfilled with cheap fakes and b) people are afraid to move their real cards/buy cards. And Wizards brought it upon themselves with their retarded police that does nothing but harm, just so that a few assholes can play stock market with cardboard.

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The issue is that there is probably enough of an uncertainty as to what the damages would be to make it not worth their time. Im sure they have lawyers that they have consulted about this because they are a subsidiary of HASBRO. They are extremely unlikely to sell their company to a third party because it makes up a significant portion of HASBRO's income.

In my personal opinion it's very possible that a class action could be successful because people could have acted on reliance that they would uphold their promise. Things gt tricky tho when you have to asses damages that wizards will have to pay. To know the total loss you could figure the total print run, but cards have been destroyed. Assume that the total possible damages could be the value lost of every card reprinted. How would you measure that?

something I dug up

https://twitter.com/vaultboy_zk/stat...796416/photo/1

If this is true, then the MTGO metagame will almost fully reflect the paper metagame once Rishadan Port is released as a promo

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Originally Posted by mishima_kazuya

something I dug up

https://twitter.com/vaultboy_zk/stat...796416/photo/1

If this is true, then the MTGO metagame will almost fully reflect the paper metagame once Rishadan Port is released as a promo

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Wasteland is still a hindrance, since the Tempest Remastered isn't going to affect the supply much imho.

That's a pretty nice alternate art for Port (which is long overdue as a promo). It certainly is going to get nuked in value once it becomes a MOCS promo due to actually rather little demand.

is that port promo a print-version promo? need to know since i carry 4 foil masques ports

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Originally Posted by bruizar

is that port promo a print-version promo? need to know since i carry 4 foil masques ports

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It depends if those spoilers are actually true. Judge promos are highy likely to become MOCS promos at some point, but it isn't the necessary the other way around.

E.g. the alternate art promo Thalia was added about a year ago to the database, yet it only sees print in Paper about 15 months later, with no MOCS promo release in sight.

port as a judge reward?so the chances of the MM2 reprint just slimmed down,

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Originally Posted by big_ticket

port as a judge reward?so the chances of the MM2 reprint just slimmed down,

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from zero to zero?

I daresay the art on the new port is much nicer than the old one.

So If I'm sitting on a stockpile of say ~50ish Tarmogoyfs at the moment, would now be the best time to finally unload them all?

Will Modern Masters 2 permanently dent Goyf's pricetag going forward?

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Originally Posted by MGB

So If I'm sitting on a stockpile of say ~50ish Tarmogoyfs at the moment, would now be the best time to finally unload them all?

Will Modern Masters 2 permanently dent Goyf's pricetag going forward?

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Best time? Early December/2014, I think.

Fifty fucking Tarmogoyfs? Mr.C is right. You should have been unloading them all throughout the past twelve months. Whether Tarmogoyf's price dips or shrinks or you have to lose a hundred or so dollars worth of profit, you're sitting on $7500 and letting it go stale. That's more of a loss than whatever Tarmogoyf's future price may bring.

Tarmogoyf has no future. A smart speculator would be sitting on 500 Deathrite Shamans right now.

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Originally Posted by death

Tarmogoyf has no future. A smart speculator would be sitting on 500 Deathrite Shamans right now.

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No, the smart speculator bought DRS' for ~10€ in FOIL at release while the Hive mind tought Noble Hierarch is better because of Exalted and because Fetchlands/Wastelands are "so unreliable" to make DRS produce mana LAWL

Keeping a binder full of Tarmogoyfs was a mistake the moment Batterskull was spoilered and went to total nonsense as DRS and TNN saw the light of day. Tarmogoyfs price keeps declining since that and the only reason the market did not Crash is that all the hoarders still hope they can make much more money than they payed during the time Tarmogoyf was the defying factor in the metagame. There sure is no hope for Tarmogoyf to return to those price spheres. It became a niche-creature for decks not running white or blue but needing a clock.

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Originally Posted by Lemnear

Keeping a binder full of Tarmogoyfs was a mistake the moment Batterskull was spoilered and went to total nonsense as DRS and TNN saw the light of day. Tarmogoyfs price keeps declining...

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Tarmogoyf's price rises. Slowly, yeah, but it still rises. At least in the spacetime of our lgs.

I got a bunch of beta rares like gauntlet of might and forcefield and illusionary mask, birds of paradise and such. should i sell these to buy cards like beta duals that appreciate faster? is it all relative?

What happened to the price of Aggravated Assault? Found some in my binder and looked up the price. They went from crap to some bucks, which is nice.

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Originally Posted by Lemnear

No, the smart speculator bought DRS' for ~10€ in FOIL at release while the Hive mind tought Noble Hierarch is better because of Exalted and because Fetchlands/Wastelands are "so unreliable" to make DRS produce mana LAWL

Keeping a binder full of Tarmogoyfs was a mistake the moment Batterskull was spoilered and went to total nonsense as DRS and TNN saw the light of day. Tarmogoyfs price keeps declining since that and the only reason the market did not Crash is that all the hoarders still hope they can make much more money than they payed during the time Tarmogoyf was the defying factor in the metagame. There sure is no hope for Tarmogoyf to return to those price spheres. It became a niche-creature for decks not running white or blue but needing a clock.

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Of course, Goyf isn't that important in Legacy as he used to be, but the real reason for his price tag is Modern (otherwise he would be at like 70€ or lower). Hence, Modern says no to that. Tarmogoyf is required to play the BGx Archetype in Modern, which is roughly 20% of the metagame. Since BGx is the "Control" deck in Modern it will always see play which results a demand for Goyfs. Also, the Modern playerbase is growing and MM15 will also result in a ton of new players (not as bad as MM1).

But what does this mean for Goyf's price?

Since MM15 has a bigger printrun than MM1, we don't know exactly how many Goyfs will be printed. But you can assume the same thing will happen as with MM1, a price drop pre release and some month afterwards, than a steady growth, till he get reprinted again or get banned in Modern (which would result in a drastic drop of the price, but a ban is highly unlikely).

The best point at selling is in around 1 1/2 years, when the price has recovered or even increased (if you can wait). The best time to sell him through was last summer (there was the peak of the price).

Greetings,
Kathal

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Originally Posted by JanoschEausH

What happened to the price of Aggravated Assault? Found some in my binder and looked up the price. They went from crap to some bucks, which is nice.

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Typical EDH card. Every previous bulk rare with some weird effect that's good in a casual format with tons of mana is worth something.


*Also lol'ing at the bash towards goyf. Before Drs, goyf was a 120$ card. It's 170$ now. It will be expensive, until they print a goyf for G (no, not hooting mandrils or tasigur).

Drs haven't gone up in price, since the ban in modern.

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Originally Posted by Quasim0ff

Typical EDH card. Every previous bulk rare with some weird effect that's good in a casual format with tons of mana is worth something.


*Also lol'ing at the bash towards goyf. Before Drs, goyf was a 120$ card. It's 170$ now. It will be expensive, until they print a goyf for G (no, not hooting mandrils or tasigur).

Drs haven't gone up in price, since the ban in modern.

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I hope you can relate the Goyfs price to economic reasons (sell higher than you bought) and speculation rather than the, in fact decreased, demand. Goyfs price spiral is a hilarious self-fulfilling promise

Well when people have 50 of the fucking things and sit around masturbating over them as apose to playing them...

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Originally Posted by Lemnear

I hope you can relate the Goyfs price to economic reasons (sell higher than you bought) and speculation rather than the, in fact decreased, demand. Goyfs price spiral is a hilarious self-fulfilling promise

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What does this even fucking mean?

Anyway, the fact of the matter is that either using or reinvesting $7500 is absolutely preferable to sitting and speculating as to what minor changes may come.

To those that say goyf is going down because it isn't the premier creature in legacy anymore... You know modern exists right? Goyf is played in every fucking deck in that format. Splinter Twin combo plays it. Affinity plays it. BGx plays it. Hell, I'm just waiting for Infect to start boarding it at this point. Sometimes your opponent plays a melira and you slap them in the dick with a goof.

Thanks for your input.

But I find things like the price of Power doubling up a bit more concerning than goyf's +/- 10-25 dollar change.

In other news, euro has fallen. America wants their Power back.

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Originally Posted by Lemnear

I hope you can relate the Goyfs price to economic reasons (sell higher than you bought) and speculation rather than the, in fact decreased, demand. Goyfs price spiral is a hilarious self-fulfilling promise

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"Sell higher than you bought" doesn't really matter in magic, when the supply is so large. That can be said about power, fbb duals and other high-end, non-reprintable cards, not a fucking rare from future sight/mythic rare from modern masters.

Goyf is still the best vanilla creature there is, and the demand is what's driving the price up. Not some fictional "I want to have a net-gain on my cards". If that's your approach to magic, you are seriously in the wrong game...

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Originally Posted by Lemnear

Tarmogoyfs price keeps declining...Goyfs price spiral is a hilarious self-fulfilling promise

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So you're saying that the price of Goyf is declining and rising?

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

Affinity plays it. BGx plays it. Hell, I'm just waiting for Infect to start boarding it at this point. Sometimes your opponent plays a melira and you slap them in the dick with a goof.

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I recall reading one of the pro-tour teams had Goyf Sideboard in Infect...
http://www.channelfireball.com/artic...ct-and-amulet/

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Originally Posted by lyracian

I recall reading one of the pro-tour teams had Goyf Sideboard in Infect...
http://www.channelfireball.com/artic...ct-and-amulet/

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Huh. Hadn't seen that but I'm not really surprised

Tarmogoyf 1

Reserved list 0

Since we're either getting 4-color decks or two-colored Commander deck combinations this year, I begin to wonder:

Why can't they print duals that reference Commanders in some way, thus making them functionally different from normal duals (due to RL shenanigans) while making ZERO difference in the normal game? (also not Modern-legal).

Something like this:

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Commander Underground Sea
Land - Island Swamp
(Tap: Add :u: or :b: to your mana pool.)
When something something Commander, small advantage like lifegain or scry 1.

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Slap each one in a two-colored Commander deck, put the other chase rares into the decks with shitty low value duals to make the sales of blue dual decks less loop-sided, sell them for 39.99$ each, and Wizards would earn a gorillion dollars.

Not that it's likely because Wizards hates money and we never get nice things, but that would be a way to both support Legacy while also getting cash from Legacy players.

That would be great but it's still just the same old snow dual idea that's been around for years.

They've had a lot of time to do this exact thing (and a lot of people asking them to) so I think at this point it's not as much about the reserve list shackling them as it is about not drawing attention to a format that they don't really benefit from in any meaningful way. Getting a bunch of people excited about legacy instead of another format that they actively push on the players doesn't really make sense from a business perspective. They know it would be a high demand, low effort, thing to do so their reasoning has to be deeper then just selling more of a supplemental product.

I hope I'm wrong though.

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Originally Posted by supremePINEAPPLE

That would be great but it's still just the same old snow dual idea that's been around for years.

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Supertypes don't work, subtypes would.

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Originally Posted by Barook

Supertypes don't work, subtypes would.

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My post wasn't about the minutiae of how they'd be circumventing that clause in the reserved list but why wotc would even want to print them in the first place. That's the thing people ignore entirely when thinking about this because they want cheap duals so badly.

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Originally Posted by supremePINEAPPLE

My post wasn't about the minutiae of how they'd be circumventing that clause in the reserved list but why wotc would even want to print them in the first place. That's the thing people ignore entirely when thinking about this because they want cheap duals so badly.

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If people want cheap duals so bad for Commander, just print some nice proxies with the MTGO cube art.

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Originally Posted by Bed Decks Palyer

So you're saying that the price of Goyf is declining and rising?

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Goyf's price got a hit twice in recent years because it got outclassed by several printings and dropped by 23€ in two months as a result of the announcement of MM2 after jumping in July '13 (~+30$) and March '14 (~+60$) according to MTG Stocks (I wonder what happened at these points).

so yeah, it's declining at the moment, but was rising long term as a speculative object as the maket development indicates and it's a bad idea to sell Goyfs with MM2 announced and falling anyways while buyers know this

Should I be selling the original versions of cards that are getting reprinted in modern masters 2?

did the first modern masters tank any card values or did they remain constant?



The cards I'm considering selling are staples like noble hierarchs and mox opals.


after reviewing prices it seems like the cards that were mediocre and only saw fringe play tanked when they saw a reprint (see tooth and nail, kira great glass spinner). However, the cards that were in high demand like vendilion clique and dark confidant and tarmogoyf all remained stable.

Is that an accurate assessment?
Is that what I should expect for Modern masters 2?

The time to sell was 6 months ago. Don't bother trying to move those cards now because everyone who waited is trying to sell and no one is buying. You have to wait to resell in a couple of years unless you are comfortable losing tons of value.

Mini hit the nail on the head; you've already missed the window to sell. Better off holding onto them.

I sold off my Hierarchs and many other Modern cards in the "reprint window" months ago. Things like Splinter Twin, Fulminator Mage, etc.

Ehh, I feel like if you can get the money and you want to sell, why not? If there is going to be any tanking, it won't really happen until the new cards are actually in circulation.

I sold my fulminator mages, hierarchs, threads of disloyalties just a couple days ago. I was actually surprised that there was demand. The thought that the only cards that didn't have price drops were the mythics (as you mentioned), and this year with some of them being reprinted as mythic again, with a higher msrp I think the same thing will happen.

Completely unrelated off-topic, but I want to share my wish that there'd be a Path to Exile reprint in MM2 with the amazing Guay's artwork so that I may purchase a non-foil version of the card for my EDH.
If they'd print this gem, I may even consider playing some GW(r) with eight to twelve one-mana removal aka ScrewYouDeathriteShaman.dec just for the lolz&trollz.

The art, in case you missed that...

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Originally Posted by Bed Decks Palyer

Completely unrelated off-topic, but I want to share my wish that there'd be a Path to Exile reprint in MM2 with the amazing Guay's artwork so that I may purchase a non-foil version of the card for my EDH.
If they'd print this gem, I may even consider playing some GW(r) with eight to twelve one-mana removal aka ScrewYouDeathriteShaman.dec just for the lolz&trollz.

The art, in case you missed that...

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I'll second this. That would make my day.