All B/R update speculation.

bwahahahaha, another "cheating" deck which can work fine even without show and tell. This deck looks even scarier than sneak and show! for just 3 mana can put whole army of emrakuls and company with haste into play, and people still complain about show and tell?

So, show and tell should be banned? or hypergenesis? or violent outburst? :tongue::tongue::tongue:

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Originally Posted by wizard_of_gore

bwahahahaha, another "cheating" deck which can work fine even without show and tell. This deck looks even scarier than sneak and show! for just 3 mana can put whole army of emrakuls and company with haste into play, and people still complain about show and tell?

So, show and tell should be banned? or hypergenesis? or violent outburst? :tongue::tongue::tongue:

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Heh, maybe Hypergenesis and Show and Tell will get banned. Not that I think they should. Lets wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Telperion

This deck definitely survives without SnT.

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The deck won't survive, though not because of a potential ban on Show and Tell; it won't survive because it's a subpar deck. Like, this deck could have posted this exact same result during any odd tournament over the past year if people would have run it. The new 3 CMC cascade dude certainly makes the deck slightly better (as does Elton Brand), but nothing is fundamentally different.

@Drago- joemauer was trolling, and was doing a lazy job at that.

Joe Mauer was 1-3 with an RBI and a run in today's 6-3 Twins win over the Indians.

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Originally Posted by KevinTrudeau

The deck won't survive, though not because of a potential ban on Show and Tell; it won't survive because it's a subpar deck. Like, this deck could have posted this exact same result during any odd tournament over the past year if people would have run it. The new 3 CMC cascade dude certainly makes the deck slightly better (as does Elton Brand), but nothing is fundamentally different.

@Drago- joemauer was trolling, and was doing a lazy job at that.

Joe Mauer was 1-3 with an RBI and a run in today's 6-3 Twins win over the Indians.

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- Oh well, I got trolled. Wouldn't be the first time and won't be the last.

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Originally Posted by DragoFireheart

But it's Hypergenesis and Show and Tell. The entire deck is essentially Show and Tells with some guides to mana accel the spells out.

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That's what you might think, because both combos pretty much put fatties into play, but cascading Hypergenesis is still the main combo (8 cascade spells + 2 Hypergenesis vs 4 Show and Tell).

Again, Hypergenesis with SnT isn't new (according to thecouncil it dates back to 2010). Griselbrand and the new cascade dude made this deck significantly better (some would say competitively playable), because you don't have to splash white (or use non-dual multicolor lands) for Ardent Plea and can just dig with "Pay 7 life".

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Originally Posted by H3llsp4wn

That's what you might think, because both combos pretty much put fatties into play, but cascading Hypergenesis is still the main combo (8 cascade spells + 2 Hypergenesis vs 4 Show and Tell).

Again, Hypergenesis with SnT isn't new (according to thecouncil it dates back to 2010). Griselbrand and the new cascade dude made this deck significantly better (some would say competitively playable), because you don't have to splash white (or use non-dual multicolor lands) for Ardent Plea and can just dig with "Pay 7 life".

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- I don't think I was implying it was new. However, the new cards (cascade dude and the demon) have improved this deck significantly. Regardless, it looks like a hilarious deck to play. How often can it do a turn 2 genesis/SnT?

8 for 8 Grisebrand decks in the top 8, time for mass bans. Oh wait, reality is nothing like that.

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...03&event_ID=20

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Originally Posted by Telperion

8 for 8 Grisebrand decks in the top 8, time for mass bans. Oh wait, reality is nothing like that.

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...03&event_ID=20

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There was a strong showing for delver and Show and Tell decks(only decks to have multiples in the top eight). Tacosnape predicted the meta would start to revolve around those two decks, since delver decks can beat Show and Tell decks and hang with the rest of the decks in the format.

Top 16 Breakdown:
4 Delver (3 RUG, 1 UR)
2 Belcher
2 Maverick
Sneak and Show
MUD
UW Miracles
Hypergenesis
Dredge
Merfolk
BW
Reanimator

So 2 Show and Tell decks if you think hypergensis is not a unique deck, and 3 decks with Griselbrand (1 in in reanimator). Not quite sure if I would say the entire metagame "revolves around Show and Tell and Delver". Wish we had full data for all the decks entered, I would naively expect more Sneak and Show just based on expected popularity around the hype.

Looks like MUD beats Show and Tell and UW Control decks pretty handily. MUD has a strong RUG match-up as well. So instead of calling for the banhammer try under the radar decks maybe?

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Originally Posted by Telperion

Top 16 Breakdown:
5 Delver
2 Belcher
2 Maverick
Sneak and Show
MUD
UW Miracles
Hypergenesis
Dredge
Merfolk
BW
Reanimator

So 2 Show and Tell decks if you think hypergensis is not a unique deck, and 3 decks with Griselbrand (1 in in reanimator). Not quite sure if I would say the entire metagame "revolves around Show and Tell and Delver". Wish we had full data for all the decks entered, I would naively expect more Sneak and Show just based on expected popularity around the hype.

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Unless the titles are mislabeled I see 4 Delver decks.

Merfolk who dafuq still plays that in a meta full of removal??? Kudos to them for making it to the T16 though, but wow.

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Originally Posted by edgarps22

Merfolk who dafuq still plays that in a meta full of removal??? Kudos to them for making it to the T16 though, but wow.

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He was running 4x Caverns and 4x Chalice main. I'm guessing those Chalices at 1 shut off about 99% of his opponents removal.

That ... is kind of brilliant, I might have to look a bit closer at that list then. Chalice is so good right now.

Obviously Island needs to be banned. The winning Belcher list had a whopping FIFTEEN of them in his sideboard!

HAHAHAHAHA! Thank you for pointing that out. That is hysterical and the meta seems fine.

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Obviously Island needs to be banned. The winning Belcher list had a whopping FIFTEEN of them in his sideboard!

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It's times like these when I really wish there was a Like button in the forum.

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Originally Posted by bilb_o

It's times like these when I really wish there was a Like button in the forum.

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Hey guys you see that there were Temporal Mastery in the top 8?

BAN IT!

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Originally Posted by bilb_o

Looks like MUD beats Show and Tell and UW Control decks pretty handily. MUD has a strong RUG match-up as well. So instead of calling for the banhammer try under the radar decks maybe?

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Except MUD does NOT have an edge against RUG, I would go on and say it is a bad matchup. More than half of my tournament losses with MUD were against RUG, which is the whole reason I hesitate to bring MUD to bigger tournaments.

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Originally Posted by tsabo_tavoc

Except MUD does NOT have an edge against RUG, I would go on and say it is a bad matchup. More than half of my tournament losses with MUD were against RUG, which is the whole reason I hesitate to bring MUD to bigger tournaments.

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Why does MUD lose to RUG?

Because it gets stuck on it and can't get tracked into the house.

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