[Primer] Elves!

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Originally Posted by Mammutti

Canonist and Teeg both are harder for us, but can still be dealt with quite easily.

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In my experience, this is only true after the Elves player has been able to draw through a fair amount of cards in order to find their hate cards. This is similar to what Brainstorm/Ponder/Preordain does for AnT; they board in 3 Abrupt Decay to deal with problematic hate cards and hope to cantrip into them. Elves boards in their Abrupt Decays and hope to hyper-draw into them.

But the problem is that unless you are lucky enough to have naturally drawn into your hate, SoL out will prevent you from being able to find it efficiently and/or quickly enough for it to matter before you're in a losing position. The Elves' hate card is able to deal with the problematic creature, sure, but finding it is an entirely different story when you can't draw additional cards.

It's another nuisance for sure, but Elves tends to be sooooo resilient. This warrants testing first of course, but I think we are still in a good place with GSZ for Qasali and 4 Natural Orders (and Decays after boarding). That's a total of 12 answers after boarding. And I'm not even taking into account of just hardcasting Hasselhoof. Plus we don't necessarily even need the answers to win. Teeg scares me a lot more. Teeg + SoL + Mom seems like a nightmare. But even then all hope is not lost.

I'm gonna try to test this new spirit card on cockatrice later tonight to see how annoying it is.

One oddball way to deal with it in the Swan Song build is to play a singleton Coiling Oracle, but it's not the best of ideas really.

I experimented with 1x Coiling Oracle for a couple of months before I decided to substitute a Scavenging Ooze instead. I find the card to be "cute" and the odds of drawing a land off the top of your library is not that great to warrant its inclusion. In addition, we can't form a consistent tag-team with Coiling Oracle and Elvish Visionary due to the mana requirement of Coiling Oracle.

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Originally Posted by Yanley

I experimented with 1x Coiling Oracle for a couple of months before I decided to substitute a Scavenging Ooze instead. I find the card to be "cute" and the odds of drawing a land off the top of your library is not that great to warrant its inclusion. In addition, we can't form a consistent tag-team with Coiling Oracle and Elvish Visionary due to the mana requirement of Coiling Oracle.

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The point wasn't "it's amazing", it was "a workaround, manages to not be a blank in a presumably bad spot".

Oh ok. I wasn't able to interpret it that way. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Arsenal

I don't understand, are you implying Viridian Shaman will do something against Spirit of the Labyrinth? Because it won't.

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Sorry for replying to a post 2 pages back (the topic thankfully kinda took off), but I wasn't implying Viridian Shaman would do anything against Spirit of the Labyrith. I was implying that the Viridian Shaman we run in the MD makes a lone Ethersworn Cannonnist much less of a threat at the moment than the Spirit does :smile:.

I'm curious to see how much of an impact the SotL will actually make on the current meta, can't wait to start going toe-to-toe with it.

So, already spent a couple 100's (more like 8...) into my next Elves! project.
It's a work in progress.

http://i.imgur.com/t23bVQkl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/shzyEdJl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9F7oMOrl.jpg

Still have to fit Visionary, the bones around DRS then colors starts on the 22nd of February.

Talking about devotion... Lol.

And then show up at an event only to pilot Goblins. Lol.

Or fish.
I still love fish.
Fish is nutritive.

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Originally Posted by Kayradis

So, already spent a couple 100's (more like 8...) into my next Elves! project.
It's a work in progress.

http://i.imgur.com/t23bVQkl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/shzyEdJl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9F7oMOrl.jpg

Still have to fit Visionary, the bones around DRS then colors starts on the 22nd of February.

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Holy shit!

I waffle on whether I want my third tattoo to be something subtle like the WUBRG orbs on the back of a Magic card or like a Plains symbol or something. This is a stage or two beyond that.

sent from phone, don't be a dick

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Originally Posted by Kayradis

So, already spent a couple 100's (more like 8...) into my next Elves! project.
It's a work in progress.

Still have to fit Visionary, the bones around DRS then colors starts on the 22nd of February.

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That is sick! :O

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Originally Posted by Zombie

I'd think otherwise, actually. Swan Song is good against a hardcast one, sure. But consider what it does to the meta if it has an impact: It takes a heavy toll on Show and Tell decks, and people will be packing more removal. The Show and Tell decks themselves will probably be dropping Leylines to have more room to deal with the bastard. The decks it is likely to see play in are Vial decks, by and large. And Swan Song does jack against a vialed-in Spirit. If anything, presuming Spirit sees widespread play, I'd react like this:

Main:
Julian's Swan list
- Viridian Shaman
- Tropical Island
+ Qasali Pridemage/Harmonic Sliver
+ Savannah

Sideboard:
3 Cabal Therapy
2 Thoughtseize
1 NO
1 Progenitus
2 Pithing Needle

2 Golgari Charm
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Gaddock Teeg

Oldskool, but ought to work.

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Perfect, although I think I'd rather have another Abrupt Decay in and move Ruric Thar to the sideboard over the two charms.

whats the golgari charm for? humility/moat? supreme verdict?

@Kayradis - Nice tatts man. You picked a good artist.

@Shang - the Charms are probably for the Leylines Zombie was anticipating out of Show and Tell decks, as he mentioned. It also directly zaps the new hatecat, as it is an enchantment too.

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Originally Posted by Kayradis

So, already spent a couple 100's (more like 8...) into my next Elves! project.
It's a work in progress.

http://i.imgur.com/t23bVQkl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/shzyEdJl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9F7oMOrl.jpg

Still have to fit Visionary, the bones around DRS then colors starts on the 22nd of February.

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Dude this should be in the Primer once it is finished. Elves: Devotion through green. Can't wait to see it finished, looks killer as is.

The foot was the worst pain I ever felt.

Dont try this at home kids.

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Originally Posted by Kayradis

The foot was the worst pain I ever felt.

Dont try this at home kids.

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That's what I was thinking when I looked at that shot of your foot. The art is beautiful. But as is often the case, art comes from pain. I really do hope you show us the final product.

I am told the feet hurt the most. I have a friend who told me it took a long time to find someone that was even willing to work on her feet. They are sweet too, nice.

Ill post more pics once its completed.
Still. I was talking with Lemnear this morning (gotta love the time zone difference since they bring amazing discussions about women, mtg and parties at coffee time!) and I think it's time for me to take a break from Elves.
There's a lot of hate coming (hate that is also relevant against TNN).
Also, please, never run Fierce Empath or such poop cards.
The deck was finely designed by some mad geniuses, precisely tuned by some more than knowledgeable players and piloted by some Red-Baron-Style-Aces.

The list is proven.
It's like saying : "You see that Porshe right there? I wasn't convinced about the engine, so I took it out an put a Ford Fiesta engine instead. I'm gonna give it a try."

I hope you get the analogy.