[Primer] R/G Lands

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Originally Posted by CovenantElite30

My list is weird as I'm trying to hedge against my local meta. Any suggestions to this list is more then welcome along with sideboard help.
My local meta is lots of D&T, Burn and Miracles.


27 Spells:
4 Crop Rotation
4 Gamble
3 Exploration
2 Manabond
4 Mox Diamond
4 Life from the Loam
2 Punishing Fire
1 Molten Vortex
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Ancient Grudge

34 Lands:
1 Bojuka Bog
4 Dark Depths
1 Forest
1 Glacial Chasm
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
3 Maze of Ith
4 Rishadan Port
1 Bayou
2 Taiga
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
4 Thespian's Stage
1 Tranquil Thicket
4 Wasteland
1 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Misty Rainforest

Sideboard:
2 Chalice of the Void
2 Choke
1 Karakas
2 Krosan Grip
2 Sphere of Resistance
3 Dark Confidant
1 Primeval Titan
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Zuran Orb

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If DnT is a concern then you should max out on punishing fires, since it's easily the best card against that deck. I would say drop grudge in favor of another decay, and I would never leave home without a 4th exploration in general.

to make room I would recommend cutting at least one manabond, the 4th depths (just my opinion), grudge, vortex, and bog (unless you think you need it)

-1 molten vortex
-1 grudge
-1 depths
-1 bog
-1 mana bond

+2 punishing fire
+1 exploration
+1 grove of the burn willows
+1 abrupt decay

this is pretty close to the list I've been playing recently, and it feels quite solid.

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Originally Posted by The_Dingo

If DnT is a concern then you should max out on punishing fires, since it's easily the best card against that deck. I would say drop grudge in favor of another decay, and I would never leave home without a 4th exploration in general.

to make room I would recommend cutting at least one manabond, the 4th depths (just my opinion), grudge, vortex, and bog (unless you think you need it)

-1 molten vortex
-1 grudge
-1 depths
-1 bog
-1 mana bond

+2 punishing fire
+1 exploration
+1 grove of the burn willows
+1 abrupt decay

this is pretty close to the list I've been playing recently, and it feels quite solid.

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I like the changes. How should I hedge against burn? That's why I was playing the 2 manabond and 4 dark depths main to combo faster.

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Also I'm planning on playing 3 tireless trackers in the side in place of Bob. Would you guys bring in tireless tracker vs D&T?

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Originally Posted by CovenantElite30

Also I'm planning on playing 3 tireless trackers in the side in place of Bob. Would you guys bring in tireless tracker vs D&T?

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tracker seems fine against dnt.

Got my A$$ kicked yet again round 1 vs burn. Brought in 2 sphere, 2 chalice, 1 zuran, 1 courser. Took out 4 wasteland, 1 karakas, 1 tranquil. Is this correct?

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Originally Posted by CovenantElite30

Got my A$$ kicked yet again round 1 vs burn. Brought in 2 sphere, 2 chalice, 1 zuran, 1 courser. Took out 4 wasteland, 1 karakas, 1 tranquil. Is this correct?

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you want to keep some number of wastelands to waste your own lands :( it feel bad, but it needs to be done. you need an out to price of prog.

stage copying a basic is an all star.

exploration effect+ chasm+stage. p fire, and keep em off 3 mana.

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Originally Posted by filln

If you're referring to this list http://www.gatheringmagic.com/jarvis...-lands-primer/, it still looks pretty good except for the Horizon Canopy, which I don't think very many people play anymore. Probably would replace with another Tranquil Thicket or maindeck Bojuka Bog, depending on your meta.

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Oops, yeah that's the exact article.

Cool. I'm dumping a bunch of EDH staples and I think I can put most of the deck together (save for the Tabby of course)

My meta is quite a bit of fair decks. Eldrazi, DnT, Grixis Delver. Some Shardless.

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Originally Posted by Jaytron

Oops, yeah that's the exact article.

Cool. I'm dumping a bunch of EDH staples and I think I can put most of the deck together (save for the Tabby of course)

My meta is quite a bit of fair decks. Eldrazi, DnT, Grixis Delver. Some Shardless.

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Nice! Welcome, just one thing: Tabernacle is a cornerstone of this deck. You'll be needing one. Your deck will function, only not that good.

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Originally Posted by Cfetchcaviar

you want to keep some number of wastelands to waste your own lands :( it feel bad, but it needs to be done. you need an out to price of prog.

stage copying a basic is an all star.

exploration effect+ chasm+stage. p fire, and keep em off 3 mana.

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And loam, but that's so evident you probably didn't mention it. (And then dredge into the second stage)

@ CovenantELite30: If you run a blacksplash, you could consider Urborg. It's acceleration you can croprotate for, if you also have access to both Stage and Depths, for a T3 token and a T4 kill. It's a cornercase, but adds up to the number of scenario's of an accelerated token, besides exploration and mox.

So update, I went 0-2 drop for a 5 round fnm last night. Got the bye round 3 so felt like dropping. I get to experience the excellence of Tireless Tracker. I played 3 in my sideboard and brought them in VS D&T. I basically won that game I had TT on board, got crazy big and I basically drew a ton of my deck. I think TT is better then Bob in the long game.y sideboard plan against D&T was to take all the loams out and become and more creature value deck with TT and Primeval which won me the game. Was very good and I plan on keeping them in the sideboard.

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Originally Posted by CovenantElite30

So update, I went 0-2 drop for a 5 round fnm last night. Got the bye round 3 so felt like dropping. I get to experience the excellence of Tireless Tracker. I played 3 in my sideboard and brought them in VS D&T. I basically won that game I had TT on board, got crazy big and I basically drew a ton of my deck. I think TT is better then Bob in the long game.y sideboard plan against D&T was to take all the loams out and become and more creature value deck with TT and Primeval which won me the game. Was very good and I plan on keeping them in the sideboard.

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My Damie. :) :) :)

tracker is v good in those games.

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Originally Posted by Chatto

Nice! Welcome, just one thing: Tabernacle is a cornerstone of this deck. You'll be needing one. Your deck will function, only not that good.

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Yep!

I don't mind buying a beat up one later on down the line. Our weeklies allow proxies though, so I'm not too concerned.

just sleeving up for a Face2Face event tomorrow (Toronto, ON). This is my list, tell me what you think.

Main

4 Exploration
2 Manabond
4 Mox Diamond
4 Loam
4 Crop Rotation
4 Gamble
3 Punishing Fire
4 Wasteland
4 Ports
4 Stage
4 Depths
4 Grove
4 Fetches
3 Mazes
2 Taiga
2 Thicket
1 Forest
1 Tabernackle
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Bayou

Sideboard:

4 Grip
4 Spheres
3 Thoughtseize
3 Tireless trackers
1 Bog

am not feeling very confident about the board / a few slots in the main but after testing w/ the black splash the past few weeks I feel this is the best configuration.

Was having trouble w/o a karakas in the 75 but I often feel that the card does not do enough in the matchups you need it.

Let me know what you guys think and any suggestions / constructive crit always welcome.

@Quijbo

If I were you, I would bring in the main the 4th punishing fire and the bog at least and would cut one thicket and one manabond. I would add in the sdb one more thoughtseize and a karakas.

If you want to give a try to the list I've been running for 5 tournaments (ending at 12 out 64, 1 out 8, 3 out 8, 1 out 14 and 1 out 8) :

Main

4 Exploration
4 Mox Diamond
4 Loam
4 Crop Rotation
4 Gamble
3 Punishing Fire
3 abrupt decay
4 Wasteland
4 Ports
4 Stage
3 Depths
1 bog
1 karakas
3 Grove
4 Fetches
3 Mazes
2 Taiga
1 Thicket
1 Forest
1 Tabernacle
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Bayou

Sideboard:

3 Grip
4 Spheres
1 Dark depths
3 confidant
2 chalice of the void
2 boil

I feel pretty confident with the list. STill have to choose between choke and boil in the sdb.

So what cards do you guys think from lands will be in ETM? My guess is Port, Karakas, Depths, Gamble.

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Is there a general SB guide for the dark lands variants?

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Originally Posted by CovenantElite30

So what cards do you guys think from lands will be in ETM? My guess is Port, Karakas, Depths, Gamble.

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Depths was announced in a new FTV, so I doubt they'll print it in EMA too. Everybody is saying Port reprint. I just traded for mine, but I don't mind too much if they get reprinted and drop a bit in price. #oldart I'd like to see a Karakas reprint. Gamble reprint would be nice too. Although I just traded for those too.

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Originally Posted by Jaytron

Is there a general SB guide for the dark lands variants?



Depths was announced in a new FTV, so I doubt they'll print it in EMA too. Everybody is saying Port reprint. I just traded for mine, but I don't mind too much if they get reprinted and drop a bit in price. #oldart I'd like to see a Karakas reprint. Gamble reprint would be nice too. Although I just traded for those too.

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send a link to your depths announcement.

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Originally Posted by Cfetchcaviar

send a link to your depths announcement.

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Oops I guess it wasn't 'officially confirmed' as Dark Depths, but there aren't many cards that would fit the bill. I must've imagined it was confirmed while talking about it with friends, lol

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...ore-2016-02-29
"Fifteen premium foil cards and one token, including three with new art."

Unless there are other cards that have a high lore impact, and make a token

Take this as you will: https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/co...lore_spoilers/

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Originally Posted by Jaytron

Is there a general SB guide for the dark lands variants?



Depths was announced in a new FTV, so I doubt they'll print it in EMA too. Everybody is saying Port reprint. I just traded for mine, but I don't mind too much if they get reprinted and drop a bit in price. #oldart I'd like to see a Karakas reprint. Gamble reprint would be nice too. Although I just traded for those too.

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Yeah I don't see any announcement on Dark Depths being in the next FTV.

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Originally Posted by CovenantElite30

Yeah I don't see any announcement on Dark Depths being in the next FTV.

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See my reply right above yours