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Pretty obvious, isn't it?
Yes, it was me, but I'm not proud of it.
I made so many misplays, I should have gone like 2:3 or 3:2 instead of 4:1 (only lost against the Bant deck that went 1st in the first match of the tournament - and I could have won this one!)
Decks that are capable of winning games (effectively on autopilot) based on poor decision-making shows how resilient they can be. When I first designed the concept for this deck, I decided to utilize cards that worked very well on their own merit, rather than simply using cards that require situational tendencies. That is what makes it so multilateral; a very rare adjective used to describe mono-black builds.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlterEgo
Of course, it still has its flaws. The fact it operates using a single color can be a problem because of a lack of options outside the realm of the color black.
That's what I meant to say - me becoming 2nd proves one of two things: Either I had a boatload of luck or the deck itself is good as hell.
Anyway - how far do you think we're away from becoming an "established deck"?
"The Gate" is becoming more and more popular...
It does have a problem with a decent Zoo player. I kept running into the problem of being one turn too late. Pridemage is just a pain since it sets you back a turn and Grim Tutor puts you behind in life by one lightning bolt worth. I always ended up being just a turn off with last combo piece in hand as I died. I was running 3 edicts and 3 gatekeepers and it didn't seem like enough.
If you run Deathmark in the main like I do, Pridemage becomes an afterthought very quickly. Of course, a lot of people don't like playing Deathmark because they feel it just doesn't warrant spots in the first sixty cards. I, however, feel otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by dahcmai
Deathmark and Macabre are pretty situational in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollywood
It's black aggro and it's been around since the beginning of Magic. Only thing that's changed is the name and updated lists.Quote:
Anyway - how far do you think we're away from becoming an "established deck"?
"The Gate" is becoming more and more popular...
Faerie Macabre is, at worst, a 2/2 flying creature for three mana that can be equipped with Jitte. It is (effectively) unstoppable graveyard removal. It can be inadvertently reanimated off an Exhume when an opponent least expects it. It is a very multilateral creature and given its cost for what it does on its own, it is really not that situational. There are a ridiculous amount of decks in Legacy that operate off the graveyard and this is a card that doesn't even have to be used in the game specifically for that reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystical_Jackass
The argument can be made for Deathmark being a situational Magic card. It is in theory, but you also have to (once again) stop to think about what the most prevalent and effective creatures are in this format and what colors they are. The list just grows and grows and I have rarely opened with a Deathmark that hasn't been useful in at least some capacity. It's a powerful choice for what it is meant to do.
The point of the deck is to exploit the commonalities of the format and punish people for falling into the typical category of social mimicry. Magic is a game that is predicated heavily on assimilating information from others and using the same ideas and theories that provide those individuals (like so many others) a great deal of success and using that information for your own benefit. I prefer to surprise and punish people for this level of idiosyncrasy by utilizing cheap (albeit sometimes situational) cards that do what they do best and even better than what something else could do in a general sense for a higher cost. It has worked for me for the most part and I really want to find a legitimate reason to remove that card from the official build, but with all the testing and tournament play I've given this deck, I see no reason to take them out as of this time.
At the absolute very least, it is a one-mana black sorcery that reads, "Destroy target creature named Tarmogoyf." Personally, I see nothing wrong with this. While that may be situational, it is borderline just the opposite in today's metagame. I'll concede the cards mentioned do have some level of situational play, but they are arguably the most effective choices at what they can do and can provide a crushing swing in the early going of a match which is generally contested within the first three turns anyways.
Macabre... okay I think you sold me on that, maindeck gy hate's pretty important in Legacy these days. :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollywood
I totally hear what you're saying regarding Deathmark. I agree completely of its usefulness in those matches, however it's more of a metagame decision like you mentioned, so subjective from player to player, not the universal choice. It can easily be SB in, np, for those matches. The problem I have, too, is the card cannot even be used with your deck to sacrafice persecutor if needed.
Regardless of mine or anyone's opinion, the argument is always going to either be "skillful read of the metagame" vs "unnecessary risk game1". It's possible that Storm and Reanimator might take a plummet, so maybe seeing even more green... we'll see.
Has your latest list changed at all, Hollywood?
@AlterEgo
Can u recap parts of the tournament?
Especially interesting would be the Sideboard...
How did u use ur Sideboard - meaning, what did u board in and out versus what :)
Also:
Why do you play Sword Light and Shadow over Sword Light and Shadow Fire and Ice? Is the Lifegain > the burn and the return creature > draw ?
I don't have a real sideboard *plan*, which may be a part of my underwhelming performance. When I build the sideboard, I just think about what I MIGHT run into that causes me problems. In this tournament I expected Reanimator (there were 3 of them) and the Jace-deck. I figured the Hexmages might be useful against Jace (obvious), Dredge (at least to remove Bridges) and any matchup that I would want to take out removal (e.g. Solidarity)
In the tournament I just took out what seemed unuseful and in what I wanted more of. I just did this by feeling - never thinking too much.
My matches were against Bant (#1), Bant w/Reliquary, Depths/Nought, PainterStill (#5) and New Horizons (#7).
What would you board? Mostly I took out Faeries (Macabre AND Blossom) or Duresses for the fourth Edict, Inquisition and Needles. I never took in Smothers or Hexmages.
@Swords - there are three reasons:
1st, as I wrote somewhere above, I only have one Jitte and the lifegain is necessary to balance Bob's and Blossom's loss
2nd, SoLaS gives protection from the most common removal in Legacy: StoP
3rd, the ability to recur Removal (Gatekeeper) is imo more useful than the chance to draw into it.
P.S.: Kenn ich Dich?
So... in light of the recent banning of Mystical Tutor, let's pretend that ANT and Reanimator cease to be Decks to Beat.
How does the decklist change? Is MacFaerie still a good choice for the maindeck? If not, what is the best replacement? How about the board? Can we cut combo hate in favor of more anti-zoo tools? Do we need more anti-zoo tools?
Frankly, I'm not ready to say that ANT and Reanimator are going to cease to be DTB; I'll believe it when I see it. However, I'm testing all the same. I'd love to run Jotun Grunt in the Faerie Macabre slot, except... oh yeah, it's white.
Other cards I've tried in the slot: Fleshbag Marauder, Oona's Prowler, Bitterblossom. I haven't played enough matches yet to make a judgement on what I think of the cards. I'm quite sure I'd like the slot to remain dedicated to some sort of a threat, because I feel that the bare minimum for threats in this deck is 18. I'd prefer to run 20.
As for the New Horizons matchup, I feel like it's favorable, but not as favorable as the Thresh m/u. Perish out of the board is golden in this one, especially if they board in Worm Harvest to try and neuter our edict effects.
I'd love to hear what others think of the matters mentioned.
I mentioned this earlier, but Grim Discovery can be really good late game. Although there are only 4 returnable lands, you're likely to have drawn one of them previously (or if you run Stronghold it gives you a chance to get it back if it was Wasted). You can return several ETB creatures: (Gatekeeper, Fleshbag, Phyrexian Rager, Faerie Macabre), or a Nighthawk that traded with a Goyf. I would suggest runnign 2 since it's fairly useless (or a bad Raise Dead) in the early game (without fetches).
Grim Discovery does not fit this deck's theme of beatdown. And if you're running Volrath's Stronghold you don't need Grim Discovery.Quote:
Originally Posted by jrsthethird
I do think that 1-2x Volrath's Stronghold might be good though, although it would possibly necessitate 2-3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth. Volrath's Stronghold should be good against Zoo and random 3+ color decks as they generally don't play Wasteland.
Because of banning Mystical Tutor, Faerie Macabre isnīt that important. Thus Iīm searching for alternatives.
What about splashing White? We would be able to play cards like Stoneforge Mystic to get Jitte, Vindicate, Swords to Plowshare/Path to Exile, Jotun Grunts and some sideboardcards. The manabase should absolutly handle it.
How do you figure that Mystical Tutor's banning will render Faerie Macabre any less effective?Quote:
Originally Posted by linux-ll-
Last time I checked Entomb was still legal...
Sure it is legal, but I think Reanimator lost a lot of power because of the lost of mystical tutor. I donīt think that it will be play so often anymore but time will tell.
srsly guys, go to page 1 and see why there probably wont be another color in "TheGate"....
@Faerie
Its no less effective now. U can still kick reanimatorīs targets, goyfs countings, dregdes dredgers, loamīs lands, treshīs trash and on and on and on !!!
@Reanimator
Yes, i also think many ppl will abandon their deck, but it is still a good Deck, most likely not Tier1 anymore, but still good imo :)
As far as splashing a color goes, every time I have tried, it leads to further changes to account for the inherent weaknesses of being multicolor, which leads to further changes, to shore up those weaknesses, etc. The end result is that I end up with a very different build that does not belong in this thread.
As for the future of maindeck Faerie, I'm not pulling it yet. Survival is still a valid archetype, as is dredge. Reanimator may continue to be a Deck to Beat, even without Mystical Tutor. Lands needs the Loam engine up and running to really be at full gas. As far as using Faerie to shrink goyf, Knight of the Reliquary, or Terravore, or remove threshold, I can think of only a handful of times I have used it for any of those purposes, but it's a potential use, nonetheless.
The New Horizons matchup is very winnable, and quite favorable after sideboarding. Perish hits all of their threats, unless they are running something like New Jace, which I have only seen once. (And I lost to it.) Folk is also very winnable, especially with E-Plagues coming in out of the board. Dredge and Reanimator are winnable, barring any Turn 1 blowout-type stuff. Combo was winnable (and stil willl be, if it sticks around despite the banning of MT.) The matchup that hurts bad is Zoo, and it is, consequentially, most likely going undergo a rise in popularity starting soon. (My opinion, obviously.) That is the matchup I will be testing out sideboard cards, in order to better shore up. Lifegain and creature kill are two things that black provides that Zoo doesn't like to see. Maybe a return of Spinning Darkness to the board... we'll see.
The New Horizons match is laughable at best. I ended up playing against Dave Price of all people twice in the same tournament and won both rounds rather handily. There is just a plethora of hate and it just ends up being a nightmare for that deck, even before you consider siding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chubu!