Hmm he transforms at end of combat. So i think there this small time window when he transforms with 3 loyalty and you cant use his +2 (sorcery speed) but he can be bolted.
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Hmm he transforms at end of combat. So i think there this small time window when he transforms with 3 loyalty and you cant use his +2 (sorcery speed) but he can be bolted.
They should have put the transformed Gideon on a Savannah Lions though.
Not only are things sent farming, but also getting Terminus'ed, Jace-bounced, Lili-sacced or killed by various quality -X/-X-effects, making the indestructible ability on the non-flipped creature not really relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkenslight
And unless you're playing a shell that has tons of creatures that swing, it's pretty unlikely that you're going to flip him anyway. And I don't see the point to waste a beater slots in D&T when I could run Mirran Crusaders and Serra Avengers instead. That might work better in something like Modern Zoo.
If I wanted a 1-mana beater with Karakas shenanigans, I would run Isamaru instead.
For Legacy Gideon seems to be a good card without a home. At 3 mana to activate I do not see Kytheon's "I am Indestructible" being of much use. Maybe a Deadguy or Tokens list could make use of the new Gideon but I think he is more likely to slot into Modern than Legacy.
You might be right, but is there ever a time when you would allow this to happen that you wouldn't have just Bolted him as a 2/1 without getting all fancy with the stack and shit?Quote:
Originally Posted by HdH_Cthulhu
Gideon makes Forked Bolts better ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TsumiBand
If the opponent has 3 mana open and can make Gideon indestructible? The whole point is that there's a short while when the critter cannot make itself indestructible at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by TsumiBand
Having an active Mother of Runes would also work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie
I guess I could see that, but that implies a certain kind of board state - you had a 3-damage spell, the opponent had three creatures, and somehow the best way to deal with an incoming Gideon transformation was to let all three creatures attack then Bolt Gideon after his ability resolved but before second main.
It's good to recognize that it's a possible line of play if it would come up, but I am tempted to say that most board states will reveal more optimal lines of play from the get-go.
Kytheon, Hero of Akros
-Wants three creatures to attack in Legacy. Check
-It's apparent home is a deck that falls all over itself to limit its exposure to -1/-1 effects. Check
-Turns into one of the worst Planeswalkers ever. Check
-Isamaru exists and is unused. Check
These are not the droids you are looking for. Move along.
Such an unfortunate misjudgmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Finn
You don't think the planeswalker form is the suck?Quote:
Originally Posted by bruizar
A 2/1 for W, ok Elite Vanguard, you're in uncommon territory. Oh, 2W makes it indestructible until end of turn, welp, there wasn't much better things to do on turn three anyway besides swinging with this dude, and using the mana to keep him alive this volley.
It's certainly not the worst planeswalker ever. It's not even the worst Gideon ever.
It's not a Legacy card, though, unfortunately. As ever, Liliana and Jace are the only two with a shot in legacy. Though I could see playing Nissa as essentially a GSZ-able planeswalker in Nic Fit.
I think that the abilities are quiet potent. 4/4 for 1 mana is bigger than delver, and it has the ability to stall creatures of any size with its +1, or even protect you from lethal with the +2. Gideon is a really good walker once flipped. "Once flipped" being the problem.
I think Gideon has a place in Goblins.
Lands might be able to run, and flip her.Quote:
Originally Posted by maharis
That sounds like a cool idea, but do they actually want to add her?Quote:
Originally Posted by sjmcc13
And what happens when she flips? What's gained?Quote:
Originally Posted by sjmcc13
It's one thing to suck in creature form, and another to suck in planeswalker form, but all of these cards invariably suck at both somehow.
If you want a one mana guy that turns into a 4/4 with a bunch of hurdles, just play Figure of Destiny. People don't play that card? You don't say...
In more seriousness though, in Legacy you need a really good reason to want to play a card which is mostly only relevant when three or more creatures are attacking. If you have a board state where doing so is reasonable, well, you probably didn't need whatever card you wanted to trigger off that attack anyway. As such I think it's far more reasonable to play stronger stand alone cards.
Nic Fit usually won't have much of a problem flipping her, and she would provide a reusable source of card advantage. Worst case, she's a slightly worse Wood Elves, which is definitely a card Nic Fit has run. Still, 7 lands is mid-late game stuff, and at that point there are probably better things to GSZ for.Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
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GSZ-able Delver stopper, but there should be better options than that.