[Deck] Dragon Stompy

I pretty much agree with Zork (At least on the points of mana curves), and I think Taurean Mauler's upcoming presence will narrow the Creatures down to picking and choosing from the Holy Six. Arc-Slogger will be your 5 drop, Pit Dragon will be your 4-Drop. Gathan Raiders is your 3-drop/5-drop flex, and SSG, Magus of the Moon, and Taurean Mauler will all compete for the remaining 3-drop slots. The only other potentially viable guy is Flametongue Kavu, and he's a metagame call.

Slogger should be your only 5-drop, and this may or may not include Sword of Fire and Ice, which is virtually a 5-drop. (You can run one or two and get away with it as you can split the cost under Blood Moon, but it can still become cumbersome.) Your only 4-drops should be Pit Dragon and Jitte.

Every other single card in your deck should cost exactly 3 or 0, excluding sideboard cards like Needle, Pyroclasm, Keg, and whatnot.

Ivo also has decided to stick with only just the 4 sloggers as his 5cc list in the Belgium championships where he placed 9th

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Originally Posted by Tacosnape

I pretty much agree with Zork (At least on the points of mana curves), and I think Taurean Mauler's upcoming presence will narrow the Creatures down to picking and choosing from the Holy Six. Arc-Slogger will be your 5 drop, Pit Dragon will be your 4-Drop. Gathan Raiders is your 3-drop/5-drop flex, and SSG, Magus of the Moon, and Taurean Mauler will all compete for the remaining 3-drop slots. The only other potentially viable guy is Flametongue Kavu, and he's a metagame call.

Slogger should be your only 5-drop, and this may or may not include Sword of Fire and Ice, which is virtually a 5-drop. (You can run one or two and get away with it as you can split the cost under Blood Moon, but it can still become cumbersome.) Your only 4-drops should be Pit Dragon and Jitte.

Every other single card in your deck should cost exactly 3 or 0, excluding sideboard cards like Needle, Pyroclasm, Keg, and whatnot.

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I realy like your list of X-drops. That list has realy made me think that there might not even be room for taurean mauler in the deck. SSG and Magus of the moon are both crucial to the deck and replacing them for Mauler would seem weak. The deck wants to prevent the opponent through playing creatures through Blood/Magus moon, chalice of the void, and Trinisphere so playing are card that gets stronger when they play spells would seem contradictory. Often it will be only a gray ogre so i think it would be better to not play him at all... Oh and would razormane masticore have a shot at being a five slot. It burns creatures like slogger, helps you keep hellbent, and is a 5 power first striker which is realy strong in the current metagame.

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Originally Posted by Tacosnape

I pretty much agree with Zork (At least on the points of mana curves), and I think Taurean Mauler's upcoming presence will narrow the Creatures down to picking and choosing from the Holy Six. Arc-Slogger will be your 5 drop, Pit Dragon will be your 4-Drop. Gathan Raiders is your 3-drop/5-drop flex, and SSG, Magus of the Moon, and Taurean Mauler will all compete for the remaining 3-drop slots. The only other potentially viable guy is Flametongue Kavu, and he's a metagame call.

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Are you sure that Mauler will be that good? Comparing it to Quirion Dryad...

+ it's a Changeling, but this is irrelevant here
+ 2R for 2/2 is less bad than 1G for 1/1
+ starting at 2/2 makes it somewhat less vulnerable to removal before it can grow

+ big one: you play red, but you don't play green
- and the other big one: your opponent gets to choose when it grows, not you

However, in choosing to not let it grow, they sacrificed board position.

I think it's worth testing, but I dont think it will ultimately work out. It has the same problem with Dryad, in that it's awesome early, and awful late, and has huge crosshairs on its back whenever it comes down early.

imho, running a 2/2 creatures which grows when your opponent plays spells, not so bad,

BUT

when you play a prison deck with CotV and 3S, it's really not combo......


flammetong kavu, i think isn't good for the time because won't kill a tarmogoyf (you run artifact,and enchant' with moon, so VS disrupt,and counter,the tarmo will easilly grow up to 5/6)

is anybody tested sieg-gang commander? against aggro deck on SB as chump blocker, and many tokens-jitte-equiped killers?

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Has anyone tested Ogre Shaman here? He's a 3/3 Stormbind for 3RR, which seems like a reasonable fit for this deck, in that he pitches unwanted Jittes and Chalices and such to facilitate hellbent.

A few posts up some folks were digging Pyromancy, and Shaman seems superior there in that he also carries gear like Jitte, costs less to activate, and turns easily stranded cards like Chrome Mox and Chalice into Shocks.

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I'm not touching ogre shaman. It's an inferior arc-slogger.

The reason I like Pyromancy (I am one of the few) is because it breaks the mirror match wide open without interfering with your core strategy. Board it in for trinisphere and use it to burn your opponent to the face, or use it in conjunction with slogger and jitte to take out their creatures so you can swing for the win. I'm looking at Pyromancy like a potential replacement for pyrokinesis.

I know people like to pump their dragons (that sounds a little perverted :wink: ), but I prefer killing opposing creatures in the mirror to trading with them in combat.

2 main deck pyromancy and 2 side-board (the same with 3sphere) makes it pretty easy to switch them back and forth as needed.

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imho, running a 2/2 creatures which grows when your opponent plays spells, not so bad,

BUT

when you play a prison deck with CotV and 3S, it's really not combo......

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You hit the nail on the head with Mauler. Awesome card, wrong deck. Mauler has zero synergy with the core strategy of Dragon Stompy. Lets add the rack to Stax and pyroclasm to Goblins while we're at it.

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is anybody tested sieg-gang commander? against aggro deck on SB as chump blocker, and many tokens-jitte-equiped killers?

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Chump bockers? Are you serious? Dragon stompy is not a deck that worries about chump blocking. Just kill your opponent.

There are three viable decks that might be able to out-aggro you: goblins, affinity, and goyf sligh. Just bring in board sweepers like pyroclasm and powder keg (you should already be side-boarding these) and you'll be fine. Chalice and blood moon already cut them off from many of their options, trinisphere slows them down significantly, and you already pack arc-slogger and jitte in your main deck.

Siege-Gang Commander is just another 5 casting cost threat that will clutter up your hand preventing you from reaching hellbent. It costs too much mana, isn't big enough to replace any of the beaters you already run (gathan raiders, pit dragon, slogger, and possibly mindless automaton), and will not improve your match-up against the two viable aggro decks (which is already fairly even pre-board and favorable post-board).

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Originally Posted by Illissius

Are you sure that Mauler will be that good? Comparing it to Quirion Dryad...

+ it's a Changeling, but this is irrelevant here
+ 2R for 2/2 is less bad than 1G for 1/1
+ starting at 2/2 makes it somewhat less vulnerable to removal before it can grow

+ big one: you play red, but you don't play green
- and the other big one: your opponent gets to choose when it grows, not you

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Actually, the only guy he has to be better than is Sulfur Elemental, which I believe he is, though I reserve the right to change my mind.

As for his credentials alone, for one thing, he costs :2::r:. This is the absolute best mana cost a creature in Dragon Stompy can have. This means he's playable off Any 2-land / Any Red Source and imprints on Chrome Mox.

While I agree that anything that gives your opponent the final choice is bad, this is a slightly different situation. Your opponent generally has to play spells to match the ridiculous onslaught you're throwing at him. If you've rendered him unable to do so via Chalice of the Void and Blood Moon, then oh well, Taurean Mauler won't grow and you'll still win. If your Chalices and Moons don't get the job done, then Mauler's going to be sitting there growing.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's going to revolutionize the deck or push it to Tier 1 or anything, but I'm guessing he's going to take Sulfur Elemental's spot in builds running 22-24 creatures, and then we'll see from there. He isn't good enough to take spots from Magus, SSG, Pit Dragon, or Gathan Raiders, and he probably won't be good enough to take Slogger spots, but he might be due to Slogger's casting problems.

Also, Interestingly, the fact that he's a Changeling can be a pro or a drawback based on the situation. It makes him an ungodly drop against Slivers, for example, but not so much against some deck randomly maindecking Engineered Plague.

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Originally Posted by Tacosnape

Also, Interestingly, the fact that he's a Changeling can be a pro or a drawback based on the situation. It makes him an ungodly drop against Slivers, for example, but not so much against some deck randomly maindecking Engineered Plague.

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In that specific example, though, the Plague would be essentially nullified by the +1/+1 trigger.

I don't think the mauler will be good. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this deck play chalice and 3sphere? The purpose of these cards is to make sure your opponent doesn't play cheap card soon, which means that mauler on turn 1 will be a 2/2 for a good 3/4 turns. A 2/2 on turn 3/4 != a threat. These are my opinions on why he won't be a good fit for the deck even though he does look pretty sexy.

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Originally Posted by zulander

I don't think the mauler will be good. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this deck play chalice and 3sphere? The purpose of these cards is to make sure your opponent doesn't play cheap card soon, which means that mauler on turn 1 will be a 1/1 for a good 3/4 turns. A 1/1 on turn 3/4 != a threat. These are my opinions on why he won't be a good fit for the deck even though he does look pretty sexy.

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He's a 2/2 without any counters on him, not a 1/1. If you play him on turn 1, you're clearly not playing a chalice or 3sphere that turn anyway, so unless the opponent does a land, go on you, you've got a first-turn 3/3 for 3 who will only get larger as time goes by. Doesn't seem that bad to me.

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Originally Posted by zulander

I don't think the mauler will be good. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this deck play chalice and 3sphere? The purpose of these cards is to make sure your opponent doesn't play cheap card soon, which means that mauler on turn 1 will be a 2/2 for a good 3/4 turns. A 2/2 on turn 3/4 != a threat. These are my opinions on why he won't be a good fit for the deck even though he does look pretty sexy.

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I don't understand this thought process at all (he's a 2/2 to begin, so maybe that's what tripped you up). Have you ever lost a game where the opponent didn't play a spell??? Mauler's either a bland 2/2 for :3: in which case you win cause they are not playing spells or he's a undercosted beating for 2R (the best cc for us). It doesn't hurt that the best deck in the meta is basically a gro deck that doesn't run Dryad (so it will only be growing our guy). Lastly, I like him drawing a piece of removal away from Dragon/Magus (something Sulfur elemental rarely did because no one was scared of it).

Basically, without testing I can only really see it sucking in the late game, when we have bad board position, or against decks that don't cast many spells.

From my list I'm going to cut
-1 Sword of Fire & Ice
-1 Arc-Slogger
-1 Gathan Raider or Magus of the Moon
+3 Mauler

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Originally Posted by Phantom

I don't understand this thought process at all (he's a 2/2 to begin, so maybe that's what tripped you up). Have you ever lost a game where the opponent didn't play a spell??? Mauler's either a bland 2/2 for :3: in which case you win cause they are not playing spells or he's a undercosted beating for 2R (the best cc for us).

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That's one way of looking at it. Another is that you're trying to put them away before they can recover from the Chalices, Spheres, and Moons; and with Mauler swinging away for only two a turn, it could give them the time they need to stabilize, merely by playing more lands and drawing into answers. Of course, if the comparison is Sulfur Elemental, he could well come out on top -- I'm just saying that it doesn't look so clear-cut to me, and probably needs testing to determine one way or the other.

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Originally Posted by Phantom

I don't understand this thought process at all (he's a 2/2 to begin, so maybe that's what tripped you up). Have you ever lost a game where the opponent didn't play a spell???

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Well yes i have actually, namely to ichorid; but honostely this guy is looking like a godsend to me.

I'll be playing this deck upcoming sunday in a large legacy event.
// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
10 [MM] Mountain (1)
4 [TE] Ancient Tomb
4 [EX] City of Traitors

// Creatures
4 [PLC] Simian Spirit Guide
4 [FUT] Magus of the Moon
4 [FUT] Gathan Raiders
4 [DIS] Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 [MR] Arc-Slogger

// Spells
4 [MR] Chrome Mox
4 [MR] Chalice of the Void
2 [DS] Trinisphere
3 [BOK] Umezawa's Jitte
2 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice
4 [MR] Seething Song
3 [9E] Blood Moon

// Sideboard
SB: 2 [DS] Trinisphere
SB: 4 [CH] Tormod's Crypt
SB: 3 [UD] Powder Keg
SB: 4 [AL] Pyrokinesis
SB: 2 [10E] Pithing Needle

Im still uncertain with this sideboard. My meta will contain alot of pikula/***** and a few landstill/ichorid decks. The rest is mostly random some goblins/lftl decks Any suggestions?

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Originally Posted by ebbitten

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Originally Posted by Phantom

Have you ever lost a game where the opponent didn't play a spell???

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Well yes i have actually, namely to ichorid; but honostely this guy is looking like a godsend to me.

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Me too. Playing Threshold against 42 Lands...

Literally, no spells played. Just 3 Wastelands, a Tabernacle, and some manland beats. wtf

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Originally Posted by yurivish

He's a 2/2 without any counters on him, not a 1/1. If you play him on turn 1, you're clearly not playing a chalice or 3sphere that turn anyway, so unless the opponent does a land, go on you, you've got a first-turn 3/3 for 3 who will only get larger as time goes by. Doesn't seem that bad to me.

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Yeah that was my bad. I thought he was a 1/1. For a 2/2 he's a better choice than sulfur elemental.

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Originally Posted by Waikiki

I'll be playing this deck upcoming sunday in a large legacy event.
// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
10 [MM] Mountain (1)
4 [TE] Ancient Tomb
4 [EX] City of Traitors

// Creatures
4 [PLC] Simian Spirit Guide
4 [FUT] Magus of the Moon
4 [FUT] Gathan Raiders
4 [DIS] Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 [MR] Arc-Slogger

// Spells
4 [MR] Chrome Mox
4 [MR] Chalice of the Void
2 [DS] Trinisphere
3 [BOK] Umezawa's Jitte
2 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice
4 [MR] Seething Song
3 [9E] Blood Moon

// Sideboard
SB: 2 [DS] Trinisphere
SB: 4 [CH] Tormod's Crypt
SB: 3 [UD] Powder Keg
SB: 4 [AL] Pyrokinesis
SB: 2 [10E] Pithing Needle

Im still uncertain with this sideboard. My meta will contain alot of pikula/***** and a few landstill/ichorid decks. The rest is mostly random some goblins/lftl decks Any suggestions?

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Moar Pithing Needle.

I think this will be my Post-Morning Tide list. What do you think?
Lands:18
10 Mountain
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors

Creatures:22
4 Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 Gathan Raiders
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Simian Spirit Guide
3 Arc-Slogger
3 Taurean Mauler

Noncreature Spells:20
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Chrome Mox
3 Blood Moon
3 Trinisphere
3 Seething Song
3 Umezawa's Jitte

Sideboard:15
4 Pithing Needle
3 Powder Keg
3 Tormod's Crypt
2 Pyroclasm
1 Pyrokenesis
1 Blood Moon
1 Trinisphere