Thalia Stompy

I've been pretty bored with the stock list lately so I decided to spice it up a bit. While it may not be the most competitive, it's tons of fun, and actually isn't too bad. There's actually a lot of card advantage here with recruiter, copter, jailer, and sfm. Going down to 3 temples feels right here with only 2 smashers. I've been impressed by how often turn 2 recruiter for jailer/priest/pontiff is just game against so many decks.

The spoiled Ixalan card Sorcerous Spyglass looks pretty bonkers in this shell... It's absolutely an auto include 4-of in this deck for me.

"As Sorcerous Spyglass enters the battlefield, look at an opponent’s hand, then choose any card name. Activated abilities of sources with the chosen name can’t be activated unless they’re mana abilities."

This thing is a pithing needle glued to a probe -perfect for all chalice decks. See your hand so I know how to sequence my plays and shut down your fetchland/depths combo/sneak attack/deathrite and the list goes on and on and on....



// 25 Land
4 Ancient Tomb
3 Eldrazi Temple
3 Karakas
2 City of Traitors
5 Plains
4 Wasteland
4 Cavern of Souls

// 23 Creature
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Reality Smasher
2 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Eldrazi Displacer
3 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Recruiter of the Guard
1 Palace Jailer
1 Containment Priest
1 Orzhov Pontiff

// 12 Artifact
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Mox Diamond
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull
2 Smuggler's Copter


// 15 Sideboard
2 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Orzhov Pontiff
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Mangara of Corondor
1 Mirran Crusader
1 Faerie Macabre
1 Sanctum Prelate
2 Rest in Peace
2 Swords to Plowshares
2 Disenchant

For anyone that didn't see it
https://www.channelfireball.com/vide...eldrazi-taxes/

Also
http://eternalmagic.com.br/en/2017/0...azi-and-taxes/

I'm trying to build a version that is still great against combo but has a great delver and DnT matchup . I'm particularly looking for a build that has zero fat and every card is high impact . Ballista is the one card I'm not sure of . its really powerful but i'm not sure if its aggressive enough but i know its good against the named match ups. I feel like this build should have a ton of game against most of the field . Looking for input on this one guys, its playing a lot of cards i don't normally play
This is the list i'm going to test first . the Stoneforge package can be sub'd for 2 smugglers copters and a blade splicer.

10 artifact
4 Chalice of the Void
4 lotus petal
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 batterskull


25 Creature
4 Thought-Knot Seer
3 Reality smasher - Not the best with golem or against blood moon but over all a really powerful creature
3 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Walking Ballista
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Lodestone golem
2 Stoneforge mystic
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 blade splicer
1 Palace jailer

25 Land
4 Ancient Tomb
3 Cavern of Souls
2 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Karakas
6 Plains
3 Wasteland

sb
2 thorn of amethyst
3 containment preist
1 holy light
3 faerie macabre
2 Disenchant
1 ratchet bomb
2 blessed alliance

INPUT.

Are people playing SFM at the moment? For those that are, how has it been for you?

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Originally Posted by cdnza

Are people playing SFM at the moment? For those that are, how has it been for you?

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Nope - still a powerfull card but a) slow (and if this thread, even thalia 2.0 seemed not aggressiv enough), b) no human as a cc2 - which means fast - creature can be problematic c) equip/artifacts are hated g2-3 etc.

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My current list:

// 60 Maindeck

// 9 Artifact
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Mox Diamond
2 Umezawa's Jitte

// 26 Creature
4 Eldrazi Displacer
3 Reality Smasher
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Walking Ballista
3 Blade Splicer
2 Restoration Angel
2 Palace Jailer

// 25 Land
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
2 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
2 Karakas
6 Plains
3 Wasteland


// 15 Sideboard
SB: 2 Thorn of Amethyst
SB: 2 Containment Priest
SB: 2 Orzhov Pontiff
SB: 2 Rest in Peace
SB: 3 Swords to Plowshares
SB: 2 Disenchant
SB: 2 Blessed Alliance


5-0 my last 5 matchups with it, first i cutted thalia 2.0 (still awesome vs lands, elves etc.) to try a more aggressiv game plan (ballista over revoker is already a solid step forward too), i loaded up a bit on "bombs" and think palace jailer and resto. angel are both still good cards if you play a white stompy deck. Angel will not only save some dudes against removal it will also like to catch splicer, Jailer or sided Pontiffs. Overall a cc4, 3/4 Flash, Flyer isnt so bad against various situations too.

@metronome2charisma

If you want to go with golems i would test the following version:

// 60 Maindeck

// 10 Artifact
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Mox Diamond
1 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Smuggler's Copter

// 25 Creature
4 Eldrazi Displacer
3 Reality Smasher
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Walking Ballista
3 Blade Splicer
3 Lodestone Golem

// 25 Land
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
2 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
2 Karakas
5 Plains
4 Wasteland

// 15 Sideboard
SB: 2 Thorn of Amethyst
SB: 2 Containment Priest
SB: 2 Palace Jailer
SB: 2 Rest in Peace
SB: 3 Swords to Plowshares
SB: 2 Disenchant
SB: 2 Blessed Alliance

Golem+Splicer and more artifacts than old versions of it (see start of the Thread here), including Copter and Ballista (both solid T1 Plays etc.) - but keep in mind, that Golem isn't an answer to delver because nearly every delver decks has bolts and can stall with nasty beaters like Angler/TNN/Gofy or a horde of elemental tokens too. Against DnT Golem can be okay IF they not have a vial and needs to pay for creatures and must decide if they want blockers (in case of an 5power attacker) or manadenial etc.

Thanks Ghost. i've updated my list to reflect the changes with my preferences . I'll keep everyone updated .

my newest list for reference.


11 Non creature
4 Chalice of the Void
4 lotus petal
1 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Smuggler's Copter

25 Creature
4 Eldrazi Displacer
3 Reality Smasher
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Walking Ballista
2 Blade Splicer
2 Palace Jailer
1 restoration angel

25 Land
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
2 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Karakas
5 Plains
3 Wasteland

15 Sideboard
2 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Containment Priest
3 Fearie Macabre
1 Ratchet bomb
1 Disenchant
1 Forsake the Worldly
2 Blessed Alliance
2 holy light

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Originally Posted by MD.Ghost

Nope - still a powerfull card but a) slow (and if this thread, even thalia 2.0 seemed not aggressiv enough), b) no human as a cc2 - which means fast - creature can be problematic c) equip/artifacts are hated g2-3 etc.

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Thanks for the reply! How has Ballista been testing for you? I'm going to build a deck similar to this next week and I'm trying to figure out exactly what to play. I love the idea of playing cards like Blade Splicer which play well alongside Displacer. I notice people seem to have stopped playing Revoker too - do you ever miss having it?

edit: I wanted to ask you about that Corrupted Crossroads version of Eldrazi you were working on too from the other thread. Have you stopped playing that in favour of straight white versions like these?

Ballista is now a 4 of in my deck . started at 1 then slowly went to 4. Card is awesome. Against the creature match ups its almost like having 4 more jitte in your deck. Blade splicer as a 2 off has been solid.

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Originally Posted by cdnza

Thanks for the reply! How has Ballista been testing for you? I'm going to build a deck similar to this next week and I'm trying to figure out exactly what to play. I love the idea of playing cards like Blade Splicer which play well alongside Displacer. I notice people seem to have stopped playing Revoker too - do you ever miss having it?

edit: I wanted to ask you about that Corrupted Crossroads version of Eldrazi you were working on too from the other thread. Have you stopped playing that in favour of straight white versions like these?

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Ballista is super solid, it is very good in most cases and can be an early beater or finisher (even if you arent able to attack against bridge/tnn). Clearly a 4off because if you look back this deck is very removal light and also needed fast colorless stuff. Blade Splicer is often 2:1 and adds up 4 Power which is good for cc3. The bonus with displacer can be critical for your opponents removal, because the 3/3 body should be the common target, which leaves the little 1/1, but casting displacer later means trouble :wink:

Revoker simply is only a 2/1 which is blocked by some of his targets (DS, Mother etc.) too and is only good at an empty board (ANT; Belcher; Sneak Show etc.), which means i like him vs combo but we have enough other good cards against combo so i cutted him in favour of Ballista&Co.

@Eldrazi yes i have found any real Splash better than the simple colorless Versions but i still tinker with different ideas of the tentacle stuff.

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Originally Posted by metronome2charisma

Ballista is now a 4 of in my deck . started at 1 then slowly went to 4. Card is awesome. Against the creature match ups its almost like having 4 more jitte in your deck. Blade splicer as a 2 off has been solid.

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Yeah - clearly a good improvment for this deck, even if you cant abuse it with displacer, but it adds up quickly if you have 4 Ballista, 4 Displacer and 2 Jailer at main - this alone can be a good start against various creatures, add sideboard removal spells and you get a good amount of removal stuff.

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I lately tinkered around with various splashes/ideas.

For me the Blade Splicer/Angel Version is very solid and aggressiv - works good so far.

I also brewed up with little U Splash for Trinket Mage (tutors Ballista, Chalice, Mox/Petal, B.Collar or T.Crypt from Side etc.) or little Bomberman-Style with 2 Auriok Salvager (to get back Ballista) and Lotus Petal over Mox. Alot of room for some ideas IF you dont fear Moon effects.

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Originally Posted by MD.Ghost

Ballista is super solid, it is very good in most cases and can be an early beater or finisher (even if you arent able to attack against bridge/tnn). Clearly a 4off because if you look back this deck is very removal light and also needed fast colorless stuff. Blade Splicer is often 2:1 and adds up 4 Power which is good for cc3. The bonus with displacer can be critical for your opponents removal, because the 3/3 body should be the common target, which leaves the little 1/1, but casting displacer later means trouble :wink:

Revoker simply is only a 2/1 which is blocked by some of his targets (DS, Mother etc.) too and is only good at an empty board (ANT; Belcher; Sneak Show etc.), which means i like him vs combo but we have enough other good cards against combo so i cutted him in favour of Ballista&Co.

@Eldrazi yes i have found any real Splash better than the simple colorless Versions but i still tinker with different ideas of the tentacle stuff.



Yeah - clearly a good improvment for this deck, even if you cant abuse it with displacer, but it adds up quickly if you have 4 Ballista, 4 Displacer and 2 Jailer at main - this alone can be a good start against various creatures, add sideboard removal spells and you get a good amount of removal stuff.

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I lately tinkered around with various splashes/ideas.

For me the Blade Splicer/Angel Version is very solid and aggressiv - works good so far.

I also brewed up with little U Splash for Trinket Mage (tutors Ballista, Chalice, Mox/Petal, B.Collar or T.Crypt from Side etc.) or little Bomberman-Style with 2 Auriok Salvager (to get back Ballista) and Lotus Petal over Mox. Alot of room for some ideas IF you dont fear Moon effects.

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Can you share your bomberman/monoWeldrazi list ? Bouth are my pets decks !

Got 5th at an EE gold satellite. Feel like if i would've played a little better i coulda beat my u/r delver opponent in top 8. Deck was great all day.

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Originally Posted by metronome2charisma

Got 5th at an EE gold satellite. Feel like if i would've played a little better i coulda beat my u/r delver opponent in top top 8. Deck was great all day.

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Deck build ?

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Originally Posted by cris_rj

Deck build ?

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Posted above.

I've been playing Ballista a lot recently as well and have been pleased with how well it fits in this deck. The ability to pay 2 to remove lots of annoying things like Delver, Pyromancer, Strix, opposing Thalias or Flickerwisps, as well as machine-gun things down in the late game is just gravy. By adding Ballista, it's allowed me to trim down the number of Jittes to 1 (multiples are bad, and it's a nonbo with Thalia/Thorn). If I ever have 4 mana, Ballista feels like the better play 90% of the time, as it enables Copter and can shoot things as soon as it enters play. Sure, you can split the cost of Jitte over 2 turns but in my experience you want to be playing creatures if you're still on 1-2 lands. 4 Ballista 0 Jitte might be correct.

I'm still skeptical of Jailer (double white is hard), Blade Splicer (too cute), and Restoration Angel (not human, so similar problem as Jailer). Thalia, Heretic Cathar is still performing well for me in those slots. She really helps close out games fast when you're on the offensive, removing blockers and keeping the mana-denial plan active.

Here's my current list:

3 Walking Ballista
3 Phyrexian Revoker (3rd Revoker could also be the 4th Ballista)
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Mox Diamond
2 Smuggler's Copter
1 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Cavern of Souls
3 Wasteland
2 Karakas
5 Plains

Sideboard:
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Containment Priest
2 Rest in Peace
2 Thorn of Amethyst
2 Disenchant
1 Blessed Alliance
1 Holy Light

In the sideboard, I keep switching back and forth between Faerie and RiP, and tinkering with the number of Priests. I still think 4 StP is correct. Disenchants could be Cast Outs or the 2W cycling disenchant. Still testing Blessed Alliance and Holy Light which are both quite situational.

I've just about got all the pieces I was missing for the deck, so should get to take it for a test run in the next week finally. I want to try Stoneforge Mystic out to start with but I realise that most of you have dropped it from the deck by now. Here's what I was going to start with:

4 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Reality Smasher
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Thought-Knot Seer
3 Walking Ballista
1 Palace Jailer
1 Containment Priest
3 Stoneforge Mystic

4 Chalice of the Void
3 Mox Diamond
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull

4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
1 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Karakas
5 Plains
4 Wasteland

Sideboard (15)
1 Containment Priest
2 Disenchant
2 Faerie Macabre
2 Holy Light
1 Palace Jailer
2 Rest in Peace
3 Swords to Plowshares
2 Thorn of Amethyst

I should have all the other cards people have been posting about lately too so will experiment but want to play with the vanilla deck a bit to start with. I have been thinking more and more about Smuggler's Copter now that we seem to be on Ballista though.

The main issue with SFM is that your creatures are fat enough to win in combat versus most fair decks anyway. Thalia 2.0 helps a lot in this respect by clearing a path through blockers. In my experience, equiping ends up slowing you down when you could be sinking mana into Displacer and controlling the board that way. For this reason I think SFM is better in control decks like Quellblade which actually want to play defense and stabilize with the lifegain.

You really only have to worry about TNN (maybe Goyf sometimes) and SFM doesn't help you there.

The other issue with SFM is it's not a human so it can be awkward to cast early with only 10-11 non Caverns white sources.

Try out the SFM package and then try Copters. Also, I still like Revokers as an answer DRS, walkers, and as support in the combo matchup.

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Originally Posted by keys

The main issue with SFM is that your creatures are fat enough to win in combat versus most fair decks anyway. Thalia 2.0 helps a lot in this respect by clearing a path through blockers. In my experience, equiping ends up slowing you down when you could be sinking mana into Displacer and controlling the board that way. For this reason I think SFM is better in control decks like Quellblade which actually want to play defense and stabilize with the lifegain.

You really only have to worry about TNN (maybe Goyf sometimes) and SFM doesn't help you there.

The other issue with SFM is it's not a human so it can be awkward to cast early with only 10-11 non Caverns white sources.

Try out the SFM package and then try Copters. Also, I still like Revokers as an answer DRS, walkers, and as support in the combo matchup.

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Yeah, I see what you're saying. If I cut the three SFMs and the Batterskull I get 4 slots. Could become the 4th Ballista, 2 copters and a 3rd Thalia2?

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Originally Posted by metronome2charisma

Got 5th at an EE gold satellite. Feel like if i would've played a little better i coulda beat my u/r delver opponent in top 8. Deck was great all day.

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Wow where are the EE satellites? I can't find info on these at all. I was wondering if there were any in the PA area I could attend.

Since Ballista is getting more popular, I have to ask again:

If decks run both Ballista and SFM in sufficient numbers, wouldn't a single Basilisk Collar a good idea? Ballista turns into a killing machine while Thalias get combat supremacy with it and Reality Smasher makes blocks really looking silly. SFM also helps getting around Chalice @1, if necessary.

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Originally Posted by Barook

Since Ballista is getting more popular, I have to ask again:

If decks run both Ballista and SFM in sufficient numbers, wouldn't a single Basilisk Collar a good idea? Ballista turns into a killing machine while Thalias get combat supremacy with it and Reality Smasher makes blocks really looking silly. SFM also helps getting around Chalice @1, if necessary.

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I might try it out as a SB option. In a lot of the matchups where you want it (Eldrazi, D&T, etc.) you are boarding Chalice out, so it could work.

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Originally Posted by MGB

Wow where are the EE satellites? I can't find info on these at all. I was wondering if there were any in the PA area I could attend.

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I just scour local store websites and fb groups. I live in the N.E. so finding a legacy event is relatively easy most weekends. Not to mention i play legacy twice a week at two different stores with some of the most entrenched players around ,so i hear about stuff from other players as well.

Got 3rd @ The Summer Luau Series: Legacy $1.5K+ Tournament today. Went 4-2-1 . Matches as follows.
Rd 1 death and taxes 2-1
Rd 2 Aggro loam/punising jund 2-0
Rd 3 Bomberman 0-2 Steam rolled
Rd 4 bug delver 2-0
Rd 5 I.D.
Top 8
Bomberman 2-1 Got there! This match was hard. They're very fast.
Bug delver 1-2 Bad draws

11 Non creature
4 Chalice of the Void
4 lotus petal
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Smuggler's Copter
1 Warping Wail

24 Creature
4 Eldrazi Displacer
3 Reality Smasher
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Walking Ballista
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
2 Palace Jailer

25 Land
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
2 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Karakas
5 Plains
3 Wasteland

15 Sideboard
2 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Containment Priest
3 Fearie Macabre
1 Ratchet bomb
1 Disenchant
1 Forsake the Worldly
2 Blessed Alliance
2 holy light

The list was on point Had i known my exact match ups prior to the tournament I could've had better cards in the board but i really think the board over all is solid . Just realized i've top 8d 3 of the 4 last events i've played with the deck. Not bad at all.

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Originally Posted by metronome2charisma

Got 3rd @ The Summer Luau Series: Legacy $1.5K+ Tournament today. Went 4-2-1 . Matches as follows.
Rd 1 death and taxes 2-1
Rd 2 Aggro loam/punising jund 2-0
Rd 3 Bomberman 0-2 Steam rolled
Rd 4 bug delver 2-0
Rd 5 I.D.
Top 8
Bomberman 2-1 Got there! This match was hard. They're very fast.
Bug delver 1-2 Bad draws

11 Non creature
4 Chalice of the Void
4 lotus petal
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Smuggler's Copter
1 Warping Wail

24 Creature
4 Eldrazi Displacer
3 Reality Smasher
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Walking Ballista
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
2 Palace Jailer

25 Land
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
2 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Karakas
5 Plains
3 Wasteland

15 Sideboard
2 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Containment Priest
3 Fearie Macabre
1 Ratchet bomb
1 Disenchant
1 Forsake the Worldly
2 Blessed Alliance
2 holy light

The list was on point Had i known my exact match ups prior to the tournament I could've had better cards in the board but i really think the board over all is solid

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There was any twitch from the tournament ? how was lotus petal over mox diamont to race thalias ?

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There was any twitch from the tournament ? how was lotus petal over mox diamont to race thalias ?

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No twitch coverage for the event and Lotus petal has been my go to for 6 months now.

My buddy won a MKM Prague trial on site with it yesterday, no Big Thalias in there though:

http://series.magiccardmarket.eu/201...ing-decklists/

Curious how he'll do on the main event today.

Got to jam the deck today for the first time which was really fun. My first time playing constructed Magic since last year so I was just happy to get back into the game a bit! Sleeved up the following this morning:

4 tomb
4 wasteland
4 cavern
4 temple
3 karakas
1 city
5 plains

4 thalia 1
3 thalia 2
4 displacer
4 tks
4 smasher
4 ballista
1 jailer
1 containment priest

4 chalice
3 mox diamond
1 jitte
1 warping wail
1 smuggler's copter

SB
2 holy light
1 jailer
1 containment priest
3 swords to plowshares
2 thorn of amethyst
2 disenchant
2 rest in peace
2 faerie macabre

r1 - lands
g1 my opponent goes taiga gamble, i make chalice and some creatures. he wastes my karakas and i have to draw an out to the token. i draw copter and use it to chump - the loot gets me to displacer, then i find city of traitors in my draw step to have enough mana to cast the displacer and blink the token
i board in my RIPs and a STP for my priest, a smasher and the warping wail
g2 i have chalice again and land a timely RIP. my opponent finds double maze but i waste one and its enough.
we talk after the game and think i should probably have brought in faeries too. idk?
1-0

r2 - elves
g1 i mull to try to find some early plays and have an ok hand. i TKS a NO and feel relatively ok but my opponent has two symbiotes so starts drawing multiple cards a turn despite my thalia2. i figure i just need to try to end it quickly so play a smasher to set up lethal but he untaps and draws some cards and makes behemoth.
i board in the holy lights and the 2nd containment priest.
g2 i make t1 jitte, t2 thalia2, t3 equip and swing. he tries to stabilise with quirion/dryad but i have the holy light.
g3 i get to priest the first NO but i do not draw jitte, a ballista or a holy light so he gets to build up a board and start doing stuff through my thalia2. eventually he makes a big behemoth!
i do not draw chalice in any of these games, and i feel like the matchup is probably fine if you actually draw removal, but such is life!
1-1

r3 - punishing jund
g1 i open chalice into thalia1 into some other cards and my opponent doesn't have a lot to contest despite having sylvan library, unfortunately
i board in... jailer and 1 disenchant (hedge for blood moon) for i think wail and priest
g2 i have chalice again but my opponent has multiple lilianas which keep me from being able to develop my board effectively, although i do eventually get him pretty low but we are both effectively in topdeck mode. he plays a giant goyf which would kill me in 2 turns but i topdeck ballista and have a million mana
2-1

r4 - esper blade
g1 i chalice and play thalia2. he gets a batterskull but i blink the germ and he doesn't get a TNN until too late.
i board in the disenchants and the holy lights, but notably board out my jailer. we talk after the game and my opponent thinks i should've actually boarded IN jailer because he says the card is very good against him. my reasoning was that TNN makes it very easy for him to become the monarch but maybe he was right.
g2 i can't really deal with a batterskull this game and it just sort of goes the distance, though thalia2 buys me a lot of time somehow.
g3 i get chalice but am slightly constrained due to no sol-lands - so i'm a bit slow. he makes a TNN pretty early and i never draw holy light, so once he gets jitte going on it i'm kinda in trouble. i tried to go aggressive earlier on but he flashes in a snapcaster to trade with my smasher (+TNN) and then has the counterspell for my disenchant on his jitte.
2-2

Obviously not a great performance but I really enjoyed playing the format again! I probably have a lot to learn about boarding and also what sort of strategy I want to try to execute with the deck. I think I'll play it again next time with a few changes. You can see I played a bunch of 1-ofs to see what cards were like and I think I've formed some ideas just from those 10 games about how I want to use those slots. I think for next time I will go:

MD:
-1 priest
-1 wail
+1 jailer
+1 jitte

SB
-1 jailer
+1 priest

And perhaps also try turning one of the wastelands or plains into a second City of Traitors. I was thinking about Copter after the tournament and it made me wonder if perhaps there could be a version of the deck that runs Fleetwheel Cruiser. It feels like the potential is there to end games very quickly and it can be crewed by Thalia (who is sometimes slightly outclassed in combat) and Jailer.

edit: People seemed very interested in the deck and seemed to think it was quite well-positioned right now too. Apparently someone top4'd the last big CFB legacy event playing a similar deck so people are aware of it in the area now. Apparently that player was running Caves of Koilos and had Toxic Deluge as well as a Stoneforge Mystic package. Not sure if s/he posts in this thread!

Played at The Bearded Dragon this weekend to an embarrassing 1-3 drop.. Play mistakes and bad draws...Just not my day.
This list is still fire. You can't win em all and whatever . One thing i noticed at this event was ALOT of Stoneforge decks (Stoneblade,Deathblade,Maverick),and ALOT of b/r Reanimator . It was a small event ( about 40 people) and i saw 4 b/r decks ,so i think my my list is pretty well setup to deal with those decks .

10 non creature
4 Chalice of the Void
4 lotus petal
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Smuggler's Copter

25 Creature
4 Eldrazi Displacer
3 Reality Smasher
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Walking Ballista
3 Thalia Heretic Cathar
2 Containment Priest
1 Palace jailer

25 Land
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
2 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Karakas
4 Plains
3 Wasteland
1 Caves of koilos

15 Sideboard
2 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Containment Priest
1 Palace jailer
3 Fearie Macabre
2 Ratchet bomb
1 Disenchant
1 Forsake the Worldly
2 Blessed Alliance
1 Orzhov pontiff
1 warping wail

This deck is awesome! I'm loving the discussion. I'm in the process of dusting off my Thalia's, tearing apart my old Eldrazi deck and slapping this together. I recently noticed Donovan Maloney piloted it to a 3rd place finish at the 86 man Channel Fireball 2.5k Legacy event. I'm loving his list. He's running the SFM package with a splash of black for Toxic Deluge. My list so far is almost identical but I'm not convinced Deluge is necessary. I'm also considering cutting the Mox Diamonds for Lotus Petals. Thoughts regarding that??

Dudes: 25
2x Containment Priest
2x Phyrexian Revoker
2x Stoneforge Mystic
4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3x Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4x Reality Smasher
4x Eldrazi Displacer
4x Thought-Knot Seer

Artifacts: 9
4x Chalice of the Void
1x Batterskull
1x Umezawa's Jitte
3x Mox Diamond

Land: 26
4x Ancient Tomb
3x City of Traitors
4x Eldrazi Temple
3x Cavern of Souls
2x Caves of Koilos
2x Karakas
4x Plains
4x Wasteland

[EDIT]: Has anyone considered a lone (nails in the coffin) Armageddon with a couple Flagstones of Trokair to back it up?? Or even a lone Winter Orb bomb to seal the deal. It already synergizes nicely with both Thalia's and Sol Lands.

@Laser Brains
Great to have you in the thread! Yeah the deck is tits, super fun and super powerful . I saw you're friends list . It looked pretty similar to some list i used to play for a minute. The deck has evolved a little since "that style" has been prominent .The deck is obviously still playable and very good with the Stoneforge package. For me it just feels like it makes the deck a tiny bit clunkier and isn't REALLY needed.
On Lotus Petal: Having to discard a land is HUGE .If you're empty handed and draw a Mox Its like you didn't draw anything .
Playing Mox makes a lot of 2 land hands unkeepable and in a lot of those same situations Lotus Petal can make it a snap keep.
Playing 4 petals gives you a higher chance of turn one Chalice/Thalia/Displacer. I've had hands with 3 petal, sol land, sol land, Smasher,TKS....You can't have those starts with Mox.
One other point is that Your access to white mana isn't really affected as much as you'd think because you're playing 4 lotus petals as opposed to 3 Mox, also theres a non zero chance that the land you pitch will be a white source .
Lastly when people talk about dead draws understand that there are times when drawing a Mox is a literal dead draw and a Lotus Petal is not. If you need mana and draw a Mox you're fucked, not true with Petal.
Its just better in this deck because we get to play enough white sources that the color fixing isn't 100% of its job, sometimes it just gives you busted starts.
ON Armageddon and Winter orb : They're both awesome when "it works" but have the potential to backfire .
Some things I've been thinking about lately is going back to 2 Jitte and 1 Hero of Bladehold in place of the one Palace Jailer. My thinking is that if i'm running 2 Containment Priest main i don't need the extra removal and would rather have another "must answer" threat.
I've also toyed with trying s side board like this ,geared toward beating Stoneblade and B/R Reanimator. While still keeping my others match ups in mind.

4 faerie macabre
2 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Ratchet Bomb
2 Thorn
2 Blessed Alliance
2 Forsake the worldly
1 Containment priest

I wish you luck man ,the deck is an absolute blast.

Awesome! Thanks for the response and valuable input! Yeah, the more I goldfish with this deck the more I love it. Since I'm just starting to play this I'm gonna keep my SFM suite in it for now and see how it feels. I'll probably switch over to Palace Jailer and Hero etc.. after I get a better feel. I'm really not a fan of the double white in their casting costs though. Either way this decks seems much more versatile and resilient than traditional Eldrazi. Is that the general consensus? Why would anyone play boring old traditional linear Eldrazi when you can play this. You still get broken ass first turns but you get a more resilient late game, plus all kind of tricks with Displacer. Also the disruption via mana denial is heavier especially with a turn one Cathar which is nuts against Delver variants and really anything running fetchlands. This deck is riot and no doubt upper tier if not tier one. I have a feeling it will be getting a lot more play in the future.

I really want to toy with a lone Winter Orb. Plopping it down with either of the Thalia's in play (especially Cathar) is brutal for your opponent and really anytime you happen to be slightly ahead in tempo it should just be gg. I'm not sure if its just "win more" or not though.

Speaking of tempo and mana denial, Leonin Arbitor appears to effectively stamp out opponents fetchlands giving us a huge advantage early game. With the exception of D&T and Lands most decks pack between 6 and 8. Has anyone tested him?

Anyway, the following switches to my original list will probably be -1 Revoker -3 Mox Diamond and +4 Lotus Petal. Based on your input and the limited play I've had with the deck I'm rarely disappointed when I draw a Petal but often annoyed when I draw a Diamond.

I also might give Blade Splicer a try. I love the interaction with Displacer. Anyway, I'll be playing it later against BUG Delver and BR Reanimator.

I have a few thoughts I wanted to discuss but they're kinda all over the place so I'm just gonna throw them out there:

I really want to know what people think of the spoiled Ixalan card Sorcerous Spyglass. There's no doubt in MY mind it's going to warp almost every chalice deck in the format. I know for sure it's at the very least a 2-of in the sideboard. Thoughts??

Blade Splicer is looking more attractive since there's a ton of mid-range fair decks that want to trade 1-1.

I'm not onboard with a 4-of walking ballista. I've playtested it as a 2-of, and always wanted a sfm, or a smasher, or a jailer, or any of those. It usually acted as a warping wail shooting down a delver or some other small creature. When I was able to pump it, I was usually taking too much damage via tomb to get too aggressive.

A card which I had previously overlooked and has been very good in testing: Mirror Entity. It's uncounterable with cavern on eldrazi or human, cmc is 2W, and is a terrific mid-game mana sink to get over your opponent.


// 11 Artifact
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Lotus Petal
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Fire and Ice

// 23 Creature
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Reality Smasher
4 Eldrazi Displacer
2 Palace Jailer
3 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Blade Splicer
1 Mirror Entity

// 26 Land
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Cavern of Souls
3 Karakas
2 City of Traitors
5 Plains
4 Wasteland

// 15 Sideboard
2 Thorn of Amethyst
2 Containment Priest
2 Faerie Macabre
1 Mirror Entity
2 Rest in Peace
2 Blessed Alliance
2 Forsake the Worldly
2 Swords to Plowshares

@contra. I think the list looks good . its al about play style .Mirror Entity is interesting,I've never thought about it before but with blade splicer it actually makes a lot of sense.
Ballista as a 4 of makes it WAY better than a 2 or 3 of because with 2 in your opener you can cast the first one to kill a delver and then wait to cast the 2nd one on 3 . We're just so good against unfair decks that playing it as a 4 main deck really does solidify creature match ups . It makes the deck feel more balanced to me. I think if it works for you then its good.

I'm glad you mentioned Spyglass, there is no doubt it's going to be a strong addition to the stompy arsenal. Get your set, it's my opinion that it's going to see play for quite some time.

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30th place. List looks pretty familiar , minus the atrocious sideboard and lack of basic Plains.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...nge-2017-08-28

Creature (26)
1 Containment Priest
4 Eldrazi Displacer
2 Palace Jailer
4 Reality Smasher
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Walking Ballista
Artifact (9)
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Lotus Petal
1 Umezawa's Jitte
Land (25)
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
1 Caves of Koilos
3 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
2 Karakas
3 Scrubland
4 Wasteland
60 Cards

My current list for reference and discussion . So i really wanna play Endbringer because #1 we can #2 its the shit. The last time i ran him i was running 24 land and thought he was a bit much but with 25 land that could be the ticket, especially if i cut a white source for a third City.
EDIT. So after playing the deck at a few events ( 3-1ing each of them ) i feel like i'm gunna cut the 2 Endbringers for 1 Palace Jailer and 1 Smugglers Copter. . i'm also gunna run 1 Endbringer in the board in place of the Warping Wail and going back to 5 plains and 2 City of Traitors.
11 non creature
4 Chalice of the Void
4 lotus petal
1 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Smuggler's Copter

24 Creature
4 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Walking Ballista
3 Thalia Heretic Cather
3 Reality Smasher
2 Palace Jailer

25 Land
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
2 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Karakas
5 Plains
3 Wasteland

15 Sideboard
2 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Containment Priest
1 Endbringer
3 Fearie Macabre
2 Ratchet bomb
1 Disenchant
1 Forsake the Worldly
2 Blessed Alliance

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30th place. List looks pretty familiar , minus the atrocious sideboard and lack of Karakas.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...nge-2017-08-28

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Are we looking at the same decklist?

PATHY (30TH PLACE)
LEGACY CHALLENGE #10840509 ON 08/27/2017

Creature (26)
1 Containment Priest
4 Eldrazi Displacer
2 Palace Jailer
4 Reality Smasher
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Walking Ballista
Artifact (9)
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Lotus Petal
1 Umezawa's Jitte
Land (25)
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
1 Caves of Koilos
3 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
2 Karakas
3 Scrubland
4 Wasteland
60 Cards

Sideboard (15)
1 Containment Priest
3 Dismember
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Pithing Needle
2 Rest in Peace
3 Toxic Deluge

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Are we looking at the same decklist?

PATHY (30TH PLACE)
LEGACY CHALLENGE #10840509 ON 08/27/2017

Creature (26)
1 Containment Priest
4 Eldrazi Displacer
2 Palace Jailer
4 Reality Smasher
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Walking Ballista
Artifact (9)
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Lotus Petal
1 Umezawa's Jitte
Land (25)
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
1 Caves of Koilos
3 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
2 Karakas
3 Scrubland
4 Wasteland
60 Cards

Sideboard (15)
1 Containment Priest
3 Dismember
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Pithing Needle
2 Rest in Peace
3 Toxic Deluge

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EDITED - lack of basic Plains. it was a quick glance .

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30th place. List looks pretty familiar , minus the atrocious sideboard

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Sideboard (15)
1 Containment Priest
3 Dismember
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Pithing Needle
2 Rest in Peace
3 Toxic Deluge

Honestly if I were running scrublands and caves of koilos this is about what my sideboard would look like. The leylines are nice when you can easily hardcast them. The rest in peace seems redundant, but I can see bringing them in over leylines for shamans goyfs veteran explorers and storm.

If I were to splash black I'd be running some number of bearer of silence, wasteland strangler, and orzhov pontiffs. With the amount of testing I've had with it though it doesn't seem as strong as mono-white and the mana base is balls.

Here's what I'm sticking with for a while. When Sorcerous Spyglass comes out I'll go -1 stoneforge +1 glass ; SB: -1 sword of f&i -1 faerie +2 glass

// 24 Creature

// 60 Maindeck
// 10 Artifact
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Lotus Petal
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull

// 25 Creature
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Eldrazi Displacer
3 Reality Smasher
3 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Palace Jailer
2 Blade Splicer
2 Walking Ballista
1 Orzhov Pontiff

// 25 Land
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Cavern of Souls
3 Karakas
2 City of Traitors
5 Plains
3 Wasteland

// 15 Sideboard
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Faerie Macabre
1 Orzhov Pontiff
2 Thorn of Amethyst
2 Containment Priest
2 Rest in Peace
2 Blessed Alliance
2 Forsake the Worldly
2 Swords to Plowshares

After a long break i got some time to play this nice deck again yesterday vs friends (paper) and jamed it later in 2 online rounds.

2:0 ANT
2:1 Grixis Delver
2:1 ANT
2:0 BUG Shardless
2:1 UW Control

I tested the following config

// Deck: White Eldrazi DnT Stompy v10.dec (60)

// Lands
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
2 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
2 Karakas
5 Plains
4 Wasteland

// Creatures
2 Blade Splicer
4 Eldrazi Displacer
2 Palace Jailer
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
3 Reality Smasher
2 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Thought-Knot Seer
3 Walking Ballista

// Spells
1 Batterskull
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Mox Diamond
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Umezawa's Jitte

// Sideboard
SB: 2 Blessed Alliance
SB: 2 Containment Priest
SB: 2 Disenchant
SB: 2 Rest in Peace
SB: 1 Mangara of Corondor
SB: 2 Orzhov Pontiff
SB: 2 Swords to Plowshares
SB: 2 Thorn of Amethyst

Lots of proven stuff, maindeck flexspot is p.metamorph, side flex is mangara.

Highlights:
Cavern on Artificer for SfM and Splicer
Opponent cast Angler, i copy it with metamorph
UW hides behind moat i wait until i get Cavern on construct and 12(!) mana (thx sollands) to instantly get his 6 life down and passing a counterwall.

I still think this deck is clearly underrated...

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Originally Posted by keys

Are we looking at the same decklist?

PATHY (30TH PLACE)
LEGACY CHALLENGE #10840509 ON 08/27/2017

Creature (26)
1 Containment Priest
4 Eldrazi Displacer
2 Palace Jailer
4 Reality Smasher
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Walking Ballista
Artifact (9)
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Lotus Petal
1 Umezawa's Jitte
Land (25)
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
1 Caves of Koilos
3 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
2 Karakas
3 Scrubland
4 Wasteland
60 Cards

Sideboard (15)
1 Containment Priest
3 Dismember
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Pithing Needle
2 Rest in Peace
3 Toxic Deluge

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That's me. I just wanted the black splash for Toxic Deluge which is a really solid card in lots of matchups.

I was testing this deck (Thalias+Eldrazi) for a while on MTGO as a change-up from Soldier Stompy but this deck kept losing to the same nonsense that the Soldier deck would lose to - i.e. random midrange with Stoneforge Mystic and such.

After lots of testing and some average finishes I kind of came to the conclusion that it's just a weaker version of Soldier Stompy. Soldiers has a mid-game draw engine and more explosive starts but maintains the Thalias+Chalice core against combo and the like.

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I was testing this deck (Thalias+Eldrazi) for a while on MTGO as a change-up from Soldier Stompy but this deck kept losing to the same nonsense that the Soldier deck would lose to - i.e. random midrange with Stoneforge Mystic and such.

After lots of testing and some average finishes I kind of came to the conclusion that it's just a weaker version of Soldier Stompy. Soldiers has a mid-game draw engine and more explosive starts but maintains the Thalias+Chalice core against combo and the like.

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I disagree in case of Soldier Stompy - Yes both decks can be problematic if you face midrange decks and common roadblocks like Gofy/Angler/TNN/BSkull etc. BUT Soldier Stompy (while has draw engine and more "swarm" feeling) can't really interact with the field besides (Palace Jailer/Fairgrounds Warden) AND has overall a lot of weaker single creatures compared to Thalia Stompy.

Thalia Stompy can (i think should) also use Palace Jailer, new Versions have additional Walking Ballista and we also see Orzhov Pontiff (no need to splash black) as removal option. Than we can speak about Eldrazi Displacer which can get rid of any problematic creature besides TNN alone. It even gets better with Palace Jailer or Containment Priest, but tapping away a Gofy or exile a Germ Token is often enough to win.

Displacer alone handle Stoneforge but the playset of TKS is also a good way to exile Equipment that was tutored from SfM (you can even do it instantly if you have also Displacer + Mana). Conclusion, Equipment is only problematic IF you face equiped TNN which means a lot of stuff went wrong.

Compared to Soldier Stompy this deck can also play SfM! We discussed it over the pages, SfM means a less aggressiv playstyle but you gain more options to fight midrange/grindy matchups. BSkull/Jitte/SoFaI are all proven and can swing various situations - and Soldier Stompy normally dont use this stuff cause SfM is not a Soldier and most builds tend to have SField too.

I played both decks and while Soldiers are very funny, Thalia Stompy is clearly stronger, you have a lot of more interaction and stronger single Cards (every Eldrazi). On top you have a better Combo Matchup, because you not only play Thalia+Chalice, you also have playsets of Wasteland and TKS maindeck! I am sure Soldiers can cause trouble for Eldrazi&Taxes but i see no common matchups that will favour Soldiers over this Eldrazi/Taxes Stompy mix.