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Not sure the last time I posted on the source or in any of these threads but here is my last Landstill list I will be playing this weekend.
https://thumb.ibb.co/eWgmVv/19204997...61845345_o.jpg https://thumb.ibb.co/jsFDAv/19182101...95832846_o.jpg https://thumb.ibb.co/c5rmVv/19125489...87125929_o.jpg
Missing cards are Myth Realized, My China set is in the mail.
Hyper1on and Neil (not sure if he is on here?) recently got me to play standstill.
I've played 5 leagues so far, going 4-1, 4-1, 3-2, 3-2 and 2-3.
This is the list I've been enjoying so far:
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...e5&oe=59421B1B
The Nev Disk has been absurdly outstanding. I've liked the stifles somewhat, as people are pretty bad at playing against that card as a whole (Do your things in inopportune times for me so I can't just draw and go.)
Saw you playing this on Twitch... did it feel competitive? As a former miracles player, truely wish this could turn into a 'real deck' again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quasim0ff
I feel like the deck is good; It utterly demolishes True-Name and delver of secrets decks, but in the grindy midrange not-all-in-on-true-name it seems slightly harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by prepare4robots
I played (and have been for a while) utterly awful, so there's that. I did go 15-5 in four leagues with it, so that's something at least.
This list has some interesting spice. How are the Myth Realized doing in regards for going in for the kill?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon
Went 3-2 top 8 and lose with Rallier Still. Deck certainly has its issues that I could fix, but not bad for the first matches I've ever played with the deck considering I did 0 testing. Also had very weird match ups that were probably bad for me. Got a bye. Lost to DnT, beat goblins, beat pox, lost to elves, lost to DnT in top 8.
Your image appears to be broken, and I'm pretty curious to see this list. Hyper1on was telling me about Neil playing this list, and I'm dying to see after he told the story of blowing out Saito with the Disk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quasim0ff
Purely theory crafting at the moment, but also trying to apply some lesions I learned from miracles. Namely, four Ponder are good and add a lot of consistency. CJ is an excellent catch all answer, especially in a TNN / Leovold format. Would love some constructive criticism before I start smacking games with it.
Creatures:3
3 Snapcaster Mage
Spells:33
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Stifle
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Counterspell
4 Standstill
2 Council's Judgment
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Supreme Verdict
4 Force of Will
Lands:24
4 Flooded Strand
4 Island
4 Mishra's Factory
2 Plains
4 Polluted Delta
2 Tundra
4 Wasteland
The other direction I've considered taking it was removing the Stifles and adding more Monastary Mentor...
That sounds painful.Quote:
Originally Posted by prepare4robots
I'll share my current list of Still Miracles. I have 302 matches post ban, with 62% win rate. Also, i have 99 matches with this version (with wastelands and MD Mentors), with 68% win rate. Indeed, i still feel that delver matchup is hard, maybe i have to work this.
Last sunday i played a 47 pp tournament, getting 3rd, only losing to Bug Delver.
Check this:
// 60 Still Miracles
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 Snapcaster Mage
3 Monastery Mentor
1 Vendilion Clique
4 Standstill
1 Engineered Explosives
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
2 Counterspell
4 Ponder
4 Terminus
// 23 Land
3 Mishra's Factory
2 Tundra
3 Volcanic Island
4 Flooded Strand
3 Island
1 Plains
1 Arid Mesa
3 Polluted Delta
3 Wasteland
// 15 Sideboard
SB: 1 Relic of Progenitus
SB: 1 Crucible of Worlds
SB: 1 Containment Priest
SB: 1 Vendilion Clique
SB: 1 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 Humility
SB: 2 Pyroblast
SB: 1 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 3 Flusterstorm
SB: 1 Wear // Tear
I've been playing with this at our weekly legacy events. I mainly play Tezzerator and dabble in other decks, and prior to the top ban I was only a handful pieces away from Miracles. I don't like the "new" Miracles deck, it just doesn't feel as fun (and I enjoy decks that have some sort of hard lock). This UWr Landstill deck is tickling my control itch in exactly the right way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stefanogs
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Since you cut bolts do you feel you need more volcs than tundras?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stefanogs
I didn't see you start brewing, but Rallier + Still does seem sweet. Something that Standstill wants though is loadsa counterspells; since you can force your opponent to not only give you stuff, but fill your hand with counters to the card they used. I've been brewing (as you may have seen) with Spell Queller and Spellstutter Sprite; which may work with the standstill theme since it drops dudes, stops your opp for a second, then you can untap, cast rallier, and get Still back on the field once you've unloaded enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Stutter is quite good with Mutavault, so you don't need to go the Blossom route like I have (though I would consider it, since Blossom is not only a brutal card, but it would produce threats under Standstill. It has a 7/8 turn clock exactly like Delver.)
I would also think that with all the CA, having Chrome Mox x2 (and maybe a singleton Gemstone Caverns) to speed things up. If you go Blossom, you'll be in part black, and DRS is always more speed-up/combo protection.
If my current brew starts doing shitty, I'll swap the Wastelands for Mutavaults, and stifles for Standstills I think.
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Originally Posted by Cindarin
I've played a few local events now with this, and while I'm still getting the hang of things, I honestly feel like I can beat anything. Humility does so much work. Currently, I'm 11-5-1, and the draw should have been a win except for poor time management. There have been a few tweaks from the list above. I never allowed myself to play 2 Gideon or 3 Wasteland, so I have no testing with those numbers I had previously asked about. I'm pretty sure both were wrong though.
Current list:
-1 Humility
-1 Gideon
-1 Ponder
- 1 Counterspell
-1 Wasteland
+1 Elspeth
+1 Spell Snare
+2 Snapcaster
+1 Plains
SB:
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Containment Priest
1 Hallowed Moonlight
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Rest in Peace
1 CoP: Red
1 Runed Halo
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Dust Bowl
1 Flusterstorm
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Pulse of the Fields
2 Disenchant
1 Ethersworn Canonist
I'm over prepared for RDW, a matchup I've never faced. I think I still want the CoP:Red, but Runed Halo and Pulse have been useless to bad. I'd like some sort of answer, but I think those slots can be improved.
Gideon has been great, and I've yet to draw him against combo. I can't imagine wanting Ally of Zendikar over it.
I'll echo this as well :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Still think.. Delver and other wasteland-aggro decks are very difficult matchups, where we need to use Rebs and pyros, also lavamancer, pyroclasm or wear/tear... We cant change for one plains, because we already run few islands, so...Quote:
Originally Posted by owerbart
I played UW Landstill in Prague regular tournament (cca 20 players) and went 3:1 with it. Here is the decklist:
2 Snapcaster Mage
2 True-Name Nemesis
4 Standstill
4 Brainstorm
2 Spell Snare
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Counterspell
4 Force of Will
1 Teferi's Response
1 Arid Mesa
4 Flooded Strand
4 Island
4 Mishra's Factory
2 Plains
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Tundra
2 Faerie Conclave
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Ponder
2 Terminus
2 Supreme Verdict
1 Council's Judgment
// SIDEBOARD
1 Pithing Needle
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Containment Priest
3 Flusterstorm
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Disenchant
1 Path to Exile
1 Hydroblast
1 Karakas
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
I like this UW version, which does not have Pyroblasts to answer Jace, but I like its mana consistency. I would change few things (-1 Spell Snare +1 Spell Pierce; - 1 Faerie Conclave +1 Island, switch Supreme Verdict for the SB Path to Exile). I lost only to 4C Control piloted by its builder Tomas Mar, which is an excelent player, and then defeated two Show and Tells and one Maverick. The only real problem I feel in my local meta is lack of card advantage. In the field of Predicts, Baleful Strixes or Painful Truths it is very hard to keep up. Teferi's Real was a blast, always ruining my opponent :-) True-Name Nemesis and sweepers are together quite fine if you play it carefuly.
Hey! Really liked your list. But if you're going to play 2 colors and 23 lands (you may try just 22 lands!) you may play with 3-4 wastelands! Also, i would play with 4 terminus and 0 supreme verdicts (they are just too slow). Teferi's response is cute, but doesnt fit at all... I would go for another snapcaster mage.Quote:
Originally Posted by fapsik
With this list you may experience troubles against burn and other fast red decks. Because of that i changed TNNs for mentors. You may play with 1 maindeck vendilion clique and one karakas.
Gl hf!
For reference, my current list:
// 60 Still Miracles
3 Snapcaster Mage
3 Monastery Mentor
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Standstill
1 Engineered Explosives
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
2 Counterspell
3 Daze
4 Ponder
4 Terminus
// 22 Land
2 Wasteland
3 Mishra's Factory
2 Tundra
3 Volcanic Island
4 Flooded Strand
3 Island
1 Plains
1 Arid Mesa
3 Polluted Delta
// 15 Sideboard
SB: 1 Containment Priest
SB: 2 Vendilion Clique
SB: 1 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 Rest in Peace
SB: 2 Pyroblast
SB: 1 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 3 Flusterstorm
SB: 2 Wear // Tear
I really like to change 1 or 2 cards of sideboard to play with crucible of worlds and humility.
What do you think about nimble obstructionist in this deck?
I think that nimble doesn't make the cut, because we need the 3/1 body And one effect, not one Or another. Well, anyway, it's the first time we can "counter" standstill in magic, but i don't think this creature will see any play in legacy, so we don't need to care about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by polski
Stefanogs -
I'm really intrigued by the idea of using Standstill to replace Portent and Predict in the Miracles shell. I am thinking about trying this deck out but I have a few questions for you, if you don't mind.
1) Have you had problems activating Terminus with only 4 BS, 4 Ponder, 2-3 Jace, and 2-3 SCM? Has that been enough to consistently find and cast Terminus when you need it?
2) How did you arrive at your numbers for Wasteland and Mishra's Factory? My gut response is to go with 4 and 4, but I'm guessing that might be too heavy of a strain on the manabase and other cards. Could you explain a little how you arrived at your numbers?
3) What do you think about Vendilion Clique and/or Spell Queller in the main for the 'crack Standstill in end step' scenario? If you need to crack your own Standstill then you can use Clique and get a little value out of it while putting a creature on the board, if your opponent tries to Brainstorm or something in your end step Spell Queller can let you counter it and get some value in the form of a body.
I freely admit this is theory crafting at the moment so #2 and #3 above could definitely be bad ideas; I wanted to get some thoughts from you before diving right in, since you seem to have quite a bit of testing and experience with this deck.
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Originally Posted by WinterRat1
Hey! I had the same concerns as you :) let me see each question..:
1) My first version of landstill (You may check the list at page 259 or at the following link: http://i.imgur.com/2PQMTgr.jpg ...) used a very different removal package, with 3 Supreme Verdicts (well, Terminus was presumably dead, right?) and 2 Lightning bolts (and the 4 swords to plowshares). After several games, i did realize that supreme verdict is just too slow for some matchups, like eldrazi and delver (is just uncastable against grixis delver with stifle), and only terminus could give us fast board wipe.
I have no problems to set up terminus with 4 ponder, 4 bs, 2 jace and 3 scm. Yes, it's worse than before, when we had top, and we can't do it at instant speed, but definitely is not bad... specially when we do Terminus + Standstill at the same turn (which is very hard with supreme verdict).
2) My first version of landstill (right after ban) was with 22 lands: FOUR mishra's, ZERO wastelands, 2 tundra, 3 volcanics, 3 islands, TWO plains and 8 fetchs.
Well, after i did realize that wasteland may help us to improve the control game (removing some lands that may kill our game plan, like thespian's stage and dark depths, cavern of souls, boseiju, eye of ugin and, specially, other man lands) or even fizzling the mana improve of the opponent.
So, i moved to 23 lands, with 3 mishra's and 3 wastelands. Also, i cut one plains (we can't cut blue sources because we already run few)...
Later, i realized that 23 lands is not optimized, so i cut one wasteland. Well, each change was preceded by several games and tests... So now, i'm with 22 lands again, with 3 mishra's (not four because we need to run wastelands and we need blue sources) and 2 wastelands....
If we play fewer lands, there will be the often situation where we cast standstill and the opponent start drawing much more lands than us.
3) The first idea of the deck was with 3 meddling mages instead of cliques, because i thought that, with the lack of counterbalance, we would need the mages to hard lock the opponents... well, i did realize that we still can "lock" without counterbalance, using standstill to refuel the hand and the hate cards (like surgical extraction) to get rid of recurring cards.. Also, i found that my play style is better fitted with vendilion clique, so i'm using the faeries since long time.
My last version before daze was with 1 maindeck vendilion clique (-3 daze, +1 council's judgment, +1 wasteland +1 vendilion clique) and i think that is very good! If you like it, you should try md too =).. I just moved to sideboard because we can't play less than 3 mentors and 3 snapcasters: the first is the best kill condition, and is our great change against burn, lands and other matchups... the second is the best control creature ever printed... i'm looking to play with 4 snapcaster again.
:) !! Give this list a chance =)
What are your thoughts on
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers...9721&type=card
as a one of possibly replacing Thragtusk in this deck?
It immediately generates value by getting you a fetchland from the yard, creating an additional 5/3 token while also ramping your mana so that Elderscale Wurm becomes hardcastable. If you happen to have a Dryad Arbor in play and a way to sac it, you get yet another 5/3. And if it sticks around to see a few more fetchlands, it can quickly get out of control. If you can cycle Dryad Arbors with Meren and Therapies, it becomes ridiculous but that's probably just win more. Overall seems much stronger than Thragtusk, no?
My thoughts are, is this for a different thread? XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Captain Hammer
Guys some thought: i love my build, it's intriguing and roundup, but it seems that the deck struggle in the endgame area. Some idea?
And, another thing: there's someone who's streaming uwx landstill at the moment? I really need to understand how more experienced players pilot this baby.
Thanks!
5-0 today with Still Miracles:
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
3 Snapcaster Mage
2 Counterspell
3 Terminus
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Tundra
4 Force of Will
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 Monastery Mentor
3 Standstill
3 Island
1 Plains
3 Mishra's Factory
4 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
1 Arid Mesa
3 Volcanic Island
2 Lightning Bolt
3 Daze
1 Containment Priest
2 Wear/Tear
1 Rest in Peace
1 Humility
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Pyroblast
2 Red Elemental Blast
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Null Rod
2 Flusterstorm
Cool list :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Stefanogs
What matchups did you face? would you change anything?
Well, indeed i feel the deck to be very strong, but i stopped playing it right now because grixis delver is one of the worst matchups. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by owerbart
Won an Underground Sea at an Eternal Weekend trial.
Report is here: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...65#post1025965
Deck felt pretty sick. Search for Azcanta is the real deal.
Thanks a lot for the great tournament report. The deck looks sweet, I like the idea of Emrakul the Promised End and I'm excited to try out Search for Azcanta. Going to try to combine it with Stefanogs's Terminus build and put Terminus in place of Supreme Verdict and at least some of the EE, we'll see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zllig
So i threw the list together and it feels fun as fuck search is a house when active, I had trimmed the emmy but ill prob add back in asap.
I think we can almost cut the etutor and be better off at 60, also threw a dust bowl in the sb for longer games instead of moon.
Finally had a chance to sleeve this up for a local FNM and test it out. The deck felt really fun, I had a great time playing it!
My list took some elements of Stefanogs Still Miracles and Zllig's list. I eschewed the Red Splash mostly because my Volcanics and Tarns were tied up in another legacy deck and I didn't really have time to sort them out and resleeve, so I went straight UW mostly for real life time considerations.
Going forward, I will probably opt for the red splash just because the REB effects are too powerful to leave out. I could have really used one against Tezzeret, for instance. I also think Abrade is a very versatile card that would fit well in the board. On the other hand, it was really nice not having to worry about juggling mana quite so much, so there's that factor that makes me wonder if I should keep it simple and stay with two colors.
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Force of Will
2 Counterspell
2 Spell Pierce
2 Spell Snare
4 Terminus
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Council's Judgment
3 Snapcaster Mage
1 Emrakul, the Promised End
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 Standstill
1 Search for Azcanta
4 Tundra
4 Island
2 Plains
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
3 Flusterstorm
2 Disenchant
1 Humility
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Rest in Peace
1 Containment Priest
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Pithing Needle
2 Wasteland
A few notes:
1. Emrakul, the Promised End easily felt like the worst card in my deck. I never wanted it in my opening hand. Every time I drew it or saw it with a cantrip, I didn't want it. Any time I did want it and was actually in a position to cast it, I was already winning the game with Jace or Snap/Mishra's. It does nothing to turn the game around if I'm losing, and it feels like a case of win-more when I'm finally ready to play it. I jammed a few practice games after the FNM with a second Search for Azcanta in its place, and I liked that change a lot.
2. Speaking of Search for Azcanta, that card is awesome. The extra filtering of draws can be very helpful, dumping cards I don't want preemptively and not having to draw them, and after it is flipped, the card is just nuts. A Scry 4 that can grab anything in my deck except Snapcaster and lands? Yes, please! I loved the singleton when I had it, and I liked running a second one in my test games even more. The card advantage and filtering at instant speed is amazing, and the fact that it taps for mana is just bonus. On top of that, because of the man lands opponents can't just Wasteland it willy nilly, they have to actually make some choices about stopping that or shutting down the Factories. Definitely liking that card going forward.
3. I thought about Wasteland in the main, but I'm not going for the mana denial route with this deck; it's more of a traditional Miracle draw-go control deck that uses Standstill in place of Predict to both slow the game down and as a source of card advantage , so Wasteland is pretty much only there for cards like Dark Depths and Inkmoth Nexus, as additional and more efficient forms of removal.
4. I see the appeal of a high-end finisher like Emrakul, I was thinking of using Elspeth KE or Gideon AOZ to take the role, or maybe even a Sphinx of the Last Word if I feel like getting really out there. Any thoughts on this?
Thanks to Stefanogs for showing the idea of Standstill combined with Miracles was viable, and to Zllig for adding some really interesting ideas, specifically Search for Azcanta. Looking forward to seeing where the development of this deck takes me!
I've been brewing up an esper version and was hoping for some feedback before I take it through some leagues.
Black seems to offer DRS which t1 DRS -> t2 still requires an answer, and also provides access to several of the strong black planeswalkers.
In addition, it offers some nice sideboard cards in discard/surgical and deluge.
Right now, the one offs seem a bit scattered, and I'd love some help with focusing the list a bit.
Thanks!
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/812801#online
Hi dude,
I am also building an esper Landstill Deck right now and I'll Share my experience I have Made so far. Won 3 Smalltalk sized Tournaments and 1 friday Night legacy so far in the past 2 months and although my list is quite different, I think I can give you some advice. The First one being: Play Terminus. I don't believe it is possible to run a good UW(x) landstill deck with less then 4 Mass removals. You will end up dieng to death and taxes (also in some Extend elves, goblins, merfolk, Maverick,... )which you can not afford. Also Cabal Therapy + mishra's factory is insane you might concider that.
Concerning your list, I think adding some number of humilities and maybe Cut the emrakul might be appropriate. I play emrakul in my list but your seems very Planeswalker heavy.
Despite those Aspekts you and I Share a Lot of cards in Common such as 1 search/1 emrakul/21 Lands/1 councils judgment.
My list plays crucible of worlds and explosives though. Is there a particular reason for the 1off Ghost quarter instead of Wasteland?
Hey, thanks for the feedback! I was actually in between two version of the deck, and it kinda came across as a mishmash of the two. One being the more mana denialy version, one being the more PW focused list. Originally the GQ was in there because with the prevalence of duals + crucible, being able to kill their basics seemed useful. I think you're definitely right in the terminus though. I've since updated the list to a bit more streamlined version.
Any thoughts on the PW package? Seems like the occasional gideon is nice for combo/control, but lili seems best with the core resource denial plan of the deck. Obvious JTMS is the GOAT.
I'm thinking the 1/1/2 is nice for MB, then maybe 2/3 in SB for specific matchups.
I'd love to get peoples thoughts on what they'd run. in the 6 or so PW slots.
Updated list: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/812801#online
I have 1 more question. How is the deathrite Shaman working Out. I concidered playing him because he is obviously an amazing card but never actually tried him in landstill, because of the Turn one counter/removal Turn 2 standstill.
I haven't been playing standstill in legacy for very long, but it seems super strong.
A T1 DRS in my experience has led to one of the following:
They have to waste an answer on it, then you T2 standstill like in your situation
They play their own 1CMC threat, many of which aren't as powerful as DRS, and with access to 3 mana you now have access to standstill + removal/protection or you can slam one of the PWs.
Lots of ways to force card advantage, or end up with a super powerful board state.
One note, I ended up pulling emmy because of the natural tension with DRS. And to a certain extent, was pulling crucible for the same reason.
Hey again!
Just 5-0 with Still Miracles hehehe. I played two leagues, but the first league (3-2) played with 6-7 different cards. Never tried Myth Realized before, big big mistake, it's so good!
5-0 UW Still Miracles
R1: BUG Delver (nd7020): 2-1
R2: Dragon Stompy (justgetdown): 2-0
R3: Sneak and Show (Ecoscuro): 2-1
R4: Grixis Delver (shaka8): 2-1
R5: UW Azcanta Miracles (towerjac): 2-1
Still Miracles 2.0 (UW, for the sake of the lands):
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
3 Snapcaster Mage
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Tundra
4 Force of Will
4 Standstill
2 Plains
5 Island
4 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
1 Arid Mesa
3 Mishra's Factory
3 Daze
2 Counterspell
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Terminus
4 Myth Realized
SB:
2 Containment Priest
1 Null Rod
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Council's Judgment
1 Blessed Alliance
3 Flusterstorm
2 Disenchant
1 Snapcaster Mage
1 Humility
1 Ethersworn Canonist
@Stefanogs seems structurally weak to Wasteland. You've got Daze, Standstill, Counterspell and then Myth Realized - opening up Fetch Tundra has to be pretty suspect and opening basic Plains, equally bad. There's this perfect storm brewing where you can't get on the Standstill plan. Mentor is the higher quality wincon, particularly given Ponder in the list, that doesn't undermine the deck's plan right from the start.
@Stefanogs, LOVE this list! Thought about maindecking the Humility? Always thought it better in the main before the option of SB enchantment removal from your opponent and the interaction with Myth is awesome + it's so good against so many decks at this moment (at least in my meta). Was thinking about Replacing 2 Myths with 1x Humility and 1x Enlightened Tutor. This could slow down the deck to much though, but I don't really think there is a point in trying to outrace the current meta anyways. Thoughts?