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Spell pierce could have larger application versus different decks, while Flusterstorm deal only with storm combo. Even you can use Pierce vs MUD or Burn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorenzo767
Yepp, that’s right the mana base is poor and open to Wastelands and Stifle. In my observation stifle is not so common today and most of the times is replace with Spell Pierce.
A single Crucible at the SB is also possible, as a Tutor target in some match ups.
@ Honorik - singleton Life from the Loam somewhere in the 75?
Yes surely but you already have 2 Red elemental Blast, and Fusterstorm is useful also vs other deck other than Storm, you can use it as a Spell Pierce to counter any Sorcery or Istant, like Miracles,Show and Tell protect your spell from Counter...Quote:
Originally Posted by Honorik
But probably this is more a personal choice.
Crucible or Life from the loam i think are necessary in your 75!
Have you ever tested (of course not in you 4color list) Cavern of Souls???
I ask you because most of the people i think are from USA but here in europe the metagame is lightly different. ^_^
How are you guys (and girls!) handling the Elves matchup? I find that one close to unwinnable as they rarely combo out later than turn 2-3. Even if they don't always combo all the way to Emrakul -> alpha strike, they usually refill their hand and have 10-15 dorks in play when untapping turn 4.
Ethersworn Canonist is the best answer but they board in artifact hate and have 8-10 tutors for Viridian Shaman etc.
Is this just an autoloss or can it be improved?
Thanks!
Additional spot removal
A quick Jitte
Linvala, Dagger of Elves
Ethersworn Canonist
Mother of runes (pro green attack)
Sword of Feast and Famine
Elves is tough and something I've struggled with it. The punishing fire version makes it easier. Assuming you are running straight WG, the key is getting an early Jitte active. It's best if you can play, equip, and attack with your Jitte the same turn, so you at least get 2 counters before they can blow it up. Additional Path to Exiles or Gut Shots can help from the board. As you mentioned, Canonist is good. If you can find both Canonist and Jitte, they can only blow one up (and you can protect Canonist with Mother of Runes), but they can bounce Viridian with Wirewood.
A really solid answer is Peacekeeper (which is also solid vs. the Sneak and Show match). If you can drop a Peacekeeper, you may catch them off-guard (unless they run Dismember or Mortapod).
In my experience, it comes down to who draws the best.
Do you guys bring in Choke against sneak and show? Does choke do enough in this match up? What usually comes out against S&S, I'm assuming Ooze.
I'd say Ooze, a couple StPs, Sylvan Library (since it's pretty slow), PFires. Also depends on how much sideboard stuff you're bringing in.Quote:
Originally Posted by flounce
I wouldn't bother with Choke versus Sneak and Show. Choke shines against grindy decks that are more reliant on recurring use of their Islands (CBT, UW/Esper Blade, UW Miracles, etc). Sneak and Show unlike the control decks has less need to be tapping out early. Some lists utilize Daze that helps them work around a Choke if it were to land. Their mana base usually only has 5-6 Islands and with their Sol lands, Lotus Petals, and post-board Moons they aren't as effected by Choke as other decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by flounce
I don't think Choke is the worst in the match up, I'm sure it can steal a few games, just that it obviously applies no pressure and there are better forms of disruption. I think 3 mana can usually be put to better use.
Hi guys!
I was thinking about the Sneak and Show MU, and decided i will try 4x Meddling Mage on my SB, here the reason:
-it's a creature, so we can protect it with Mother of Runes
-it's also a Human so we can cast it by Cavern of Souls (for those who play it) -
it's also a card that isn't useful only vs S&S, but vs any kind of Combo (differently from Phyrexian Revoker/Pithing Needle)
We can easy splash blue for it just adding 1-2 Tropical Island MD, and of course with it would be smart to add to the SB also some Spell Pierce/Flusterstorm.
Any suggest about this way to fight S&S?
Have you ever tested it? I think i will!
Run more Phyrexian Revoker before you run Meddling Mage. The former stops Sneak Attack when it's already deployed (or pre-emptively via Show & Tell), and doesn't strain your manabase to do so. Maverick has a relatively easier time against Show & Tell plans than we do against Sneak Attack. Revoker stops Griselbanned too.
I have won 6 of my last 7 MU against sneak and show. I play a different version (aether vial) than you all but it seems is kinda better. I run 3 revoker and 3 wayfarer MD. Revoker owns sneak, and can be played with vial in resp to the enchantment or with cavern of souls. Wayfarer is like the karakas 5, 6 and 7 (after knights and the karakas), and it helps to find cavern of souls or maze of ith.
My usually play is trying to resolve vial or wayfarer first turn, and keeping Kotr in hand agaisnt show and tell.
M@verick, do you mind posting your current list? I would be interested in seeing how your deck has changed to reflect the meta.Quote:
Originally Posted by M@verick
My current list:
4 Wasteland
1 Gaea's Cradle
4 Savannah
1 Forest (3)
1 Plains (3)
4 Windswept Heath
3 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
2 Cavern of Souls
1 Maze of Ith
4 Mother of Runes
4 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Weathered Wayfarer
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Birds of Paradise
3 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Scryb Ranger
2 Eternal Witness
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 AEther Vial
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
2 Sylvan Library
Sideboard
3 Gaddock Teeg
3 Choke
4 Surgical Extraction
2 Krosan Grip
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
I Know it isn´t the typical list, but I guess i am skilled with maverick, because i have played all possible versions ands cards since his creation in 2010, with very good results.
I want to comment some cards:
Aether vial: resolving one is winning against RUG tempo. Is also very good against all blue decks, good in mirror and against pox.
Revoker over qasali: its function is similar, being revoker more risky against equipments (thats why I added maze of ith) and agaisnt cards like ensnaring bridge. But it helps to beat hard cards, like jace, liliana, SDT, LED, pernicious deed, sneak attack, grim lavamancer, all elves.... It is also very good in mirror: noble hierarch, qasali, jitte. It can decide when your opponent has resolved 2 or 3 mother of runes...
4 stoneforge mystic: very good in mirror, cuase it is like if we play 5 jittes. It isnt slow, and has a lot sinergy with aether vial. Very good if we want to win UW miracles, because we dont want to play many cratures. A single sword U/R or W/B forces our opponent to play terminus with only one creature.
3 thalias in sideboard: thalia is a GREAT creature. But my decision is only based in testing: I pointed my results after 30 or 40 2/3 competitive games with thalia, and did the same thalia-less. My %wins improved about 10%. In my opinion, thalia is a card that doesnt contribute to the development of the game. Is just a hate card. So i put it in my sb, and i only play it against combo and burn (R or UR) now.
Very interesting. But why birds instead of hierarchs? It doesn't trigger jitte. Also why did you abandon e-tutor in sb?Quote:
Originally Posted by M@verick
Birds instead noble becuase is better with sword equipped (flying).
I left the e-tutor sb when surgical extration got printed, becuase this card is good agaisnt combo too. You can win ANT even from turn 0 if your opponent wants to win fast, extirpating a inferanl tutor. Is also very good agasint the SDT tricks in miracle decks.
GSZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by M@verick
Oh, and Thalia is good, play her.
I didnt want to post here becuase I imagined this kind of comments
I think I know a bit more than you of the deck ;)Quote:
"List without the best card in the deck."
I am not saying to you to play without zenith or thalia. I'm just saying that my version is also valid.
@maverick:
this is maverick's thread ur list is only a D&T with G splash.
hower why vial is better then zenith?!
why play this list ???
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by M@verick