The Vial list looks pretty cool. As a DnT player I wonder why you didn't include Flickerwisp, as the synergy with the Vial is huge.
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The Vial list looks pretty cool. As a DnT player I wonder why you didn't include Flickerwisp, as the synergy with the Vial is huge.
Cradle is probably more optimal with the SFM package and 3 cc equipments (because you can tutor, play, and equip on the same turn). As mentioned previously, it is also good with Scavenging Ooze. Personally, I always run 1 in my list because I think the benefits outweigh the costs. Sure, it is Wastelandable, but so are most of the lands in the deck. It is worthless without creatures and this is Cradle's biggest drawback. However, Cradle makes for some explosive starts and allows quick ramping with a Knight in play.
Hello. I came in 5th at the Legacy Open this weekend with GW.
4 Mother of Runes
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Qasali Pridemage
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Scavenging Ooze
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Umezawa’s Jitte
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
2 Sylvan Library
4 Green Sun’s Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Savannah
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Horizon Canopy
2 Dryad Arbor
2 Forest
1 Plains
1 Karakas
1 Gaea’s Cradle
3 Path to Exile
3 Faerie Macabre
3 Phyrexian Revoker (Star City has this listed as Phyrexian Metamorphs)
2 Aven Mindcensor
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Umezawa’s Jitte
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Bojuka Bog
A tournament report can be found here, for anyone who is interested.
Why didn't you go for 3 Hierarch/1 BoP if you were on the Sword of ___ and ___ plan?
Most of the time that requires being lucky and seeing the BOP naturally, or more realistically GSZ for it. How often are you going to go for a BOP over Hierarch with an attacker already on board?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlmostGrown
Another angle to look at: Sword of X & Y provide protection to evade blockers. Flying isn't really necessary under this condition.
Exactly. The creature equiped with a Sword plus at least one Exalted trigger is probably bigger than anything they have anyways. I have not found one Birds to be relevant, as like Koby said, I have to draw it, and I don't want to GSZ for 1, ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
I did top 8 in the last legacy magic league master.
My deck list was a copy paste from M@verick decklist (version with vials).
Pairings:
2-1 vs threshold
2-0 vs monoblue painters
2-1 vs pox con liananas, the abyss, etc
1-2 vs bug
2-0 threshold
top 8
0-2 vs threshold.
I had bad luck in the top 8 because after testing a lot I think that show and tell is one of our best pairings and both finalist played show and tell on other hand if you play aether vial ugr threshold isn't a bad pairing.
At the beginning I dind't like wayfarer but now I love it, its very good, giving you karakas vs show and tell and reanimator, the speed of gaeas cradle or horizon canopies for extra draws against control decks, pox decks, etc.
IMO by far is more broken Aether vial vs blue than green suns zenith.
I only think that is better the another version in a metagame with storm, but now few people play storm.
Sure adding Aether Vial improves the blue match up. But with decent play you can probably beat most blue decks with Maverick. Like against UW miracles you just want to stick a Teeg and protect it. Or resolve a planeswalker against UW.
Hey Man! I followed some of the action online. Congrats on your top 8 finish! I just wanted to ask you a few questions:Quote:
Originally Posted by 1mpulse
How was Thrun? Do you think elspeth would have served better in that slot?
Do you think sword of body and mind(protection) or feast or famine(untap) could be more practicle then fire and ice?
Did you like stoneforge over the two fauna shaman that people are using instead in that slot?
What are your thoughts of a one of sylvan safe keeper?
Was Cradle necessary?
Did you feel having a singleton Aven Mindcensor would have helped main?
Finally, what changes (if any) would you have made if you could play in the tournament again?
Thanks!
I have some questions for GP Atlanta. Should I play an E Tutor sb? Is Fauna Shaman worth playing without Loyal Retainers? What's the verdict on Cradle - I'm seeing conflicting views!
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by ryscott85
Thrun all day, not even close. I've never been a fan of Planeswalkers in my GW deck.Quote:
How was Thrun? Do you think elspeth would have served better in that slot?
Thrun is uncountable, Elspeth is not. You can GSZ for Thrun, Elspeth you cannot. Hexproof is fantastic, making Thrun a great place to put your equipment safely. Additionally, don't play Planeswalkers if you're playing Thalia and Teeg.
I've never played Feast and Famine. This is mainly because drawing a card most of the time is better than making your opponent discard a card of their choice. Also, you don't need to untap your lands, you don't need to overextend (nor should you against certain decks). The protection from green isn't enough reason warrant it either.Quote:
Do you think sword of body and mind(protection) or feast or famine(untap) could be more practicle then fire and ice?
I don't like Body and Mind either. Milling really is terrible. What makes Fire and Ice way better over Feast and Famine as well as Body and Mind, is that both it's abilities are great, instead of subpar.
I'd play another Jitte before I played Feast and Famine, Body and Mind, or Batterskull.
Yes, I like Stoneforge Mystic, I've been playing it ever since it was printed. Always Jitte, SoFI, and SoLS. This is the lowest number I've ever run, and it had to be that way because this was the first big event I wanted to play Thalia (as I expected to see more Reanimator and Sneak and Show).Quote:
Did you like stoneforge over the two fauna shaman that people are using instead in that slot?
But to get back on track, no, I don't want to play Fauna Shaman. Fauna Shaman essentially has to meet a few requirements to be even considered good. 1) It has to untap. 2) You have to have a creature in hand, one you wouldn't mind pitching. 3) You're probably playing a bunch of one of's like Linvala. Fauna Shaman is way too situational. I rather just go get a Jitte and go to town.
I tried him when I first switched over from Vial. Didn't like him, taxed the land base. Sometimes I wouldn't even sac a land to protect a creature because I would need lands to keep playing the game. Mother is better, and there really are enough 1/1's in the deck.Quote:
What are your thoughts of a one of sylvan safe keeper?
This was my second tournament ever playing Cradle, and for a couple reasons. The first being I hadn't owned a foil one before. :PQuote:
Was Cradle necessary?
Second, like I said, this is the first time I've actually wanted to play with Thalia in the main. Thalia taxes you the deck, so having a way to make up for that is nice. I would definitely say if you play Thalia's main, you want a Cradle. If not, then probably not, as I wasn't playing it before and was doing great, and Cradle is sometimes awkward.
Nope. I would have had no way to get to a one-of Mindcensor. I also rarely even 'get someone' with a fetch land. I just use them against combo.Quote:
Did you feel having a singleton Aven Mindcensor would have helped main?
I'll probably run this, or something pretty close to this in Detroit this weekend.Quote:
Finally, what changes (if any) would you have made if you could play in the tournament again?
The main thing I'd consider is whether I'd want Thalia's in the main, or not. I lost my first game in top 8 due to Thalia taxing me against Goblins. Other times I didn't lose, but I wasn't able to do what I wanted to with my GSZ's.
Please let us know how you do in Detroit, win or lose!
Sure thing!
Also, forgot to mention the Revokers.
I don't know if those guys will be staying for Detroit. They were there for Sneak and Show, but there might be something better. They also would have been pretty good had I made it to Elves. Other than that, there isn't really any other high profile decks to board them in against.
Anyone think they have a better answer that has more applications against Sneak and Show other than Revoker?
Thornscape Apprentice, like. For reals.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1mpulse
Hmm. That's a guy. Don't know if it has broader applications, but he might be worth a slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
Edit: Dies to Pryoclasm though, just like everything else. :/
You might want to try Gilded drake...
Gilded Drake is not reasonable for Maverick.Quote:
Originally Posted by bartmanqc
It doesn't do anything against Sneak Attack.
Also hard to cast and resolve.
Also won't be useful against anything else but Reanimator, and even there it is poor.
Well the application is more for Fat-cheaty-face-monsters.dec like Reanimator and Sneak Show. Neither of which really utilize sweepers. Against the former, I would suggest at min 3x Purify the Grave. Against the latter... well...Quote:
Originally Posted by 1mpulse
Lunch break.
Sneak and Show has the capability to run sweepers, and should be. While the lists I have seen that do, run Firespout, it really should just be Pryoclasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
I'm not worried about Reanimator, I have Macabre's for them.
My philosophy is just that I want my sideboard cards to be to be as multi purpose as possible, so I can round out all my matchups.
Revoker got the nod because it can be boarded in against Elves, decks with LED, ect.
Thornscape Apprentice was exactly along the lines of stuff I was looking for though, off the beaten path and such.
I think Surgical Extraction is the best manaless GY Hate available, since it also useful against Stormcombo or RUG