[Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)

Why not play Academy Rector with Future Sight?

Here's my first draft at it that was down to 61 cards:

Filtering/search/CA (9)
3 Brainstorm
2 Intuition
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

Non-blue spells (11)
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Karn Liberated
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Vindicate

Enchantments (6)
2 Pernicious Deed
1 Future Sight
1 Faith's Fetters
1 Recurring Nightmare
1 Moat

Creature base (12)
4 Veteran Explorer
3 Academy Rector
2 Eternal Witness
1 Sakura Tribe-Elder
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Starved Rusalka

23 lands
2 Forest
3 Island
2 Plains
1 Swamp
1 Volrath's Stronghold
2 Phyrexian Tower
3 City of Brass
2 Tropical Island
1 Bayou
1 Underground Sea
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Tundra

I don't think the Future Sight combo kill is necessary (nor Oracle of Mul Daya). Oracle could be good in the blue decks though. Another way to make crazy good card advantage with Top and Brainstorm and Jace. BUG Oracle control could be very cute.

Is Regrowth actually better than Noxious Revival? For the purpose of Gifts and in the case of Future Sight, I think you can get away with Noxious many times more than E-Wit or Regrowth.

I guess there's too much manipulation/tutoring. I'll think about it.

Danger of being to cute:

With Rector and Future Sight alongside Brainstorm, what are your thoughts on a singleton Omniscience?

Reminds me a bit of the old old lists with Debtors Knell ;)

I am intrigued by those ideas, as i was working on BUG fit for some days and will do some more after tomorrow (Bachelor finished etc.)

Here's my new list that i will be playing this coming sunday with a prize of Php6,000 converted to $144.93.

Punishing Nic-Fit

Creatures : 13

4 Veteran Explorer
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Deranged Hermit
1 Eternal Witness
1 Thragtusk
1 Broodmate Dragon
1 Grave Titan <--- i think better than Olivia Voldaren

Spells : Instant/Sorcery/Planeswalker/Artifact : 25

4 Punishing Fire
4 Green Sun Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Liliana of the Veil

Lands:

4 Grove of the Burnwillows
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Forest
2 Bayou
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Swamp
1 Taiga
1 Badlands
1 Mountain
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Phyrexian Tower

Sideboard :

3 Carpet of Flowers
3 Hymn to Tourach
2 Duress
2 Shriekmaw <-- Revision due to SnT decks
2 Extirpate
2 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast

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Originally Posted by Zirath

Is Regrowth actually better than Noxious Revival? For the purpose of Gifts and in the case of Future Sight, I think you can get away with Noxious many times more than E-Wit or Regrowth.

I guess there's too much manipulation/tutoring. I'll think about it.

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I think it is, since you get the card immediately. With Explorers, Future Sight, -and- Oracle of Mul Daya chugging along, the deck shouldn't care about the extra two mana for the immediacy. As I think about it, though, sitting here, if Future Sight is active, Revival is WAY better. I was thinking of Gifts from the perspective that it would be used primarily to establish Future Sight, and I completely missed that. You're right -- if Gifts ends up staying, then I think that Revival definitely gets the nod. Good call.

I want to say that some space could be opened up int he cantrip dept...Brainstorm probably isn't necessary. But it's so good with Oracle in particular that it's hard to say no to it.

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Originally Posted by BlackStarDeceiver

Danger of being to cute:

With Rector and Future Sight alongside Brainstorm, what are your thoughts on a singleton Omniscience?

Reminds me a bit of the old old lists with Debtors Knell ;)

I am intrigued by those ideas, as i was working on BUG fit for some days and will do some more after tomorrow (Bachelor finished etc.)

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Something to keep in mind: Omniscience only works with spells cast from your hand, not just spells you cast. I originally thought that it would be the literal shit, too, but sadly it's not a favorable interaction. I mean I guess you could do worse than Omni in a Rector deck, but blue has a lot of other really fucking stupid enchantments (Cast Through Time, anyone?) that can be Rectored in to do equally silly things. I think that shoehorning Omni into a Nic Fit deck would be pretty horrible...at that point, just go play RectorOmniTell, or whatever the hell it's being called.

I'm not sure about the white splash, but I think that WaSP's starting point is a good one if we wanted to go down the 4c/City of Brass.dec path.

Arianrhod: I don't like the trinket mage stuff because it can't tutor any of your big combo pieces. You'd have to up the top-count, though if you removed it.

If you put palinchron in you can nightmare loop into tendrils without hitting a future sight. If I'm not mistaken even with spells costing only 1, you still need to cast 9 of them in a turn to lethal tendrils, right? So you need to have 10 lands out to combo off? With Palinchron you don't have to worry about that.

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Originally Posted by Arianrhod

Something to keep in mind: Omniscience only works with spells cast from your hand, not just spells you cast. I originally thought that it would be the literal shit, too, but sadly it's not a favorable interaction.

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Thanks for pointing this out, reading is tech ;) So if going infinite is a plan it either has to be done with Palinchron/Whale or Helm right?

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Originally Posted by BlackStarDeceiver

Thanks for pointing this out, reading is tech ;) So if going infinite is a plan it either has to be done with Palinchron/Whale or Helm right?

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So far as I'm aware, correct. I'm sure there are some really atrocious combos that exist, but as far as ones that are compact and fit the ethic of the deck, I think those are the only two.

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Originally Posted by Star|Scream

Arianrhod: I don't like the trinket mage stuff because it can't tutor any of your big combo pieces. You'd have to up the top-count, though if you removed it.

If you put palinchron in you can nightmare loop into tendrils without hitting a future sight. If I'm not mistaken even with spells costing only 1, you still need to cast 9 of them in a turn to lethal tendrils, right? So you need to have 10 lands out to combo off? With Palinchron you don't have to worry about that.

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Future Sight + EE/Ruins seems really devastating. Also, Mage is a creature for Diabolic Intent and a shuffle for Future Sight (getting another Shuffle in Elixir). Mage might be overkill, I dunno. In contrast to Timur, apparently, Trinket Mage is one of my all-time favorite cards, so I'm naturally biased towards it.

Also, I think you're misunderstanding the combo. Spells don't cost only 1, they cost 1 less. Ergo:

Future Sight / Magus in play: You activate Top, drawing a card and putting Top on Top of your deck. FS says you can play cards from the top of your deck, Helm says 1 cheaper, so you can just play the Top for free from the top of your deck, tap it to draw again, and so on, cycling through your entire deck, generating a storm count for every draw.

Ive been secretly hoping future sight would somehow make it into this deck. Its always been one of my favorite cards. Also, I wish Form of the dragon was playable :(

While were on the topic of big stupid enchantments; Im suprised this hasnt been brought up much: Take Possession. Simply as a SB (or even MD) option of the BUG lists. It saw some play to help the landstill mirrors a few years ago, but I havent seen it around here yet. You bring it in against jace.dec and just let them power up jace and scupt there hand full of creature removal and counterspells only to steal their jace and kill them when they get to 12/13 loyalty. Now adays it would also be disgusting against omnitell as well.

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Originally Posted by Arianrhod

Future Sight + EE/Ruins seems really devastating. Also, Mage is a creature for Diabolic Intent and a shuffle for Future Sight (getting another Shuffle in Elixir). Mage might be overkill, I dunno. In contrast to Timur, apparently, Trinket Mage is one of my all-time favorite cards, so I'm naturally biased towards it.

Also, I think you're misunderstanding the combo. Spells don't cost only 1, they cost 1 less. Ergo:

Future Sight / Magus in play: You activate Top, drawing a card and putting Top on Top of your deck. FS says you can play cards from the top of your deck, Helm says 1 cheaper, so you can just play the Top for free from the top of your deck, tap it to draw again, and so on, cycling through your entire deck, generating a storm count for every draw.

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I tried trimming the list you had a little and I'm going to fool with it a little today at the store. I'm trying a tutor light build and I'll give Trinket Mage a try even if it's a card I'm not excited about. I'm also trying a single Snapcaster Mage to see if it generates any extra value. I'll post later with more information about how it runs.

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Originally Posted by Zirath

I tried trimming the list you had a little and I'm going to fool with it a little today at the store. I'm trying a tutor light build and I'll give Trinket Mage a try even if it's a card I'm not excited about. I'm also trying a single Snapcaster Mage to see if it generates any extra value. I'll post later with more information about how it runs.

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Sweet. I look forward to hearing how it went =)

Hi there,

I finally find a place where Nic Fit interest people !
(not really considered a deck where I live ^^)
Couldn't read everything yet, but sure this thread is rich of experience and splashes.

Been playing GBw so far, mostly Rector / Sun Titan stuff. Don't think Grave Titan is needed in BGw, prefer to pack some Elspeth and Lingering Souls, to rock some UW Miracles.
Never liked Pod's list (I just HATE Birthing Pod - I am one of those Survival nostalgic, can't be helped I guess).
@Architect : I used to play Form of the Dragon before Delver came around, it sure was fun ! But Eldrazi Conscription is a LOT more fun :D
edit : you made me discover Take Possession, OMG gonna try that !!!

Currently playing GBw Omniscience list, which I believe is ok. Didn't really have time to experiment it, did a 4-2 in a 50 player tournament, ending 9th :(
(Had a 5-4 in GP Ghent with a first draft list, but without really focusing on last rounds)
Quite happy of it so far. If any people interested, let me know I would happily share. (But it only has the Nic Fit core, and is more combo oriented)

I dream of playing Future Sight in that deck, but preferably in Rector build. I might try it BGu some day though.
Not really into red splash, but I might test it sometime as well because of Bonfire of the Damned and Dreadbore (as Jace is our Archenemy)

Hope to share a lot with you guys !

I actually played with a 4 color build 1 tournament for shit and giggles, with 3 Rectors, 2 Living Wishes, Omniscience, and Diabolic Intents, basically making Rector -> sac to Intent an instant win by searching Omniscience, Living Wish into Emrakul :D

Finally have some time to sit at a computer and share some thoughts!

First of all, welcome to the thread vilnico! We have great discussions here and tons of players with a wealth of knowledge about the archetype. This is easily one of the most active/best threads on here and I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say we look forward to working with you!

@kabards:

A few changes I recommend to your list:

-1 Scavenging Ooze
-1 Deranged Hermit
-1 Grave Titan
-1 Abrupt Decay

+1 Thrun, the Last Troll
+1 Primeval Titan
+1 Eternal Witness
+1 Kessig Wolf Run

I was playing P-Fire Nic Fit for quite a while, and let me tell you: Thrun + Kessig Wolf Run is a HOUSE. The Titan fetches the Groves or Wolf Run for you. He's miles better than Grave Titan in P-Fire. You can easily cut back on the Abrupt Decays in this version because it's so full of removal as is. Give it a try. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

@Future Sight:

The moment I heard those two words mentioned in this thread, I immediately came up with a list. This is the maindeck I'm at right now. (It's actually pretty similar to Arianrhod's first draft)

Lands (23)

1 Academy Ruins
2 Bayou
3 Forest
3 Island
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Swamp
2 Tropical Island
1 Underground Sea
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Volrath's Stronghold

Creatures (13)

2 Coiling Oracle
2 Eternal Witness
1 Oracle of Mul Daya
1 Primeval Titan
1 Thragtusk
2 Trinket Mage
4 Veteran Explorer

Spells (25)

4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Elixir of Immortality
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Executioner's Capsule
2 Future Sight
3 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Liliana of the Veil
2 Pernicious Deed
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Vraska the Unseen

I didn't have the combo kill in there. I definitely think there's some merit to it. These lists are otherwise lacking in ways to close a match in time. I agree that something like this could be pretty damn good though. Testing will tell!

Apologies for the double post, but I just came across this sweet list courtesy of Vacrix on The Source. Seems interesting enough to discuss. The list:

Business - 11

4 Infernal Tutor
4 Diabolic Intent
1 Ad Nauseam
1 Past in Flames
1 Tendrils of Agony

Acceleration - 20

4 Bubbling Muck
4 Culling the Weak
4 Dark Ritual
4 Veteran Explorer
4 Lion's Eye Diamond

Protection - 8

4 Cabal Therapy
3 Xantid Swarm
1 Autumn's Veil

Artifact IMS - 8

4 Lotus Petal
4 Chrome Mox

Land - 13

4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Swamp
4 Bayou
1 Dryad Arbor

Sideboard

4 Hymn to Tourach
3 Deathmark
3 Drop of Honey
2 Carpet of Flowers
1 Xantid Swarm
2 Krosan Grip

Nic Fit Storm. He's calling it VANT

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Originally Posted by HoneyT

Apologies for the double post, but I just came across this sweet list courtesy of Vacrix on The Source. Seems interesting enough to discuss. The list:

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A deck that runs Veteran Explorer / Cabal Therapy isn't a nic-fit deck, it just runs that ramp engine.

Nic fit, despite it not being obvious what with the massive quantities of colors and lists running around, is first and foremost a board control / ramp deck. While I'm sure it's an interesting list, you also mentioned that it's already been posted on The Source by Vacrix--probably in the appropriate thread. I think discussion for it should be left there.

So I played a few games with my list today.

4 Misty Rainforest
4 Polluted Delta
2 Forest
3 Island
1 Swamp
3 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Academy Ruins
1 Phyrexian Tower

1 Wood Elves
1 Magus of the Future
1 Snapcaster Mage
1 Oracle of Mul Daya
2 Eternal Witness
2 Trinket Mage
4 Veteran Explorer

2 Mana Leak
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Thoughtseize
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Innocent Blood
1 Maelstrom Pulse

1 Helm of Awakening
1 Tendrils of Agony

1 Expedition Map
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Future Sight
3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Brainstorm
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

So my thoughts after playing a bunch of games is that Trinket Mage definitely felt durdly. I would cut to 1; I prefer extra tops because they can generate Storm with Helm. There was a game I won where I cast Tendrils for 3 copies to knock my opponent to 4 and he died from there. Green Sun's Zenith felt underwhelming, but that was a product of my creature choices. Phyrexian Tower was very important in this deck; it consistently allowed me to bridge into powerful plays.

I know changes need to be made but I'm not sure where I want to go. The Helm kill is definitely something I would like to pursue. I guess primarily I need more of an end game plan.

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Originally Posted by Kich867

A deck that runs Veteran Explorer / Cabal Therapy isn't a nic-fit deck, it just runs that ramp engine.

Nic fit, despite it not being obvious what with the massive quantities of colors and lists running around, is first and foremost a board control / ramp deck. While I'm sure it's an interesting list, you also mentioned that it's already been posted on The Source by Vacrix--probably in the appropriate thread. I think discussion for it should be left there.

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Actually a deck is Nic Fit when it plays Veteran Explorer alongside Cabal Therapy. There isn't a thread for VANT on The Source. HoneyT picked it off Storm Boards.

Lighten up, fella.

So why aren't you guys playing Matsu-Tribe Sniper?

Has anyone tried building a FOW-Future Sight build? Use Top, Jace and Future Sight as countermeasures to the card disadvantage from Force, but still use the foundation of Vet/Therapy/GSZ and Deed to control everything on the board. Throw in Baleful Strix (card advantage+removal+Therapy target) and Coiling Oracles (mana ramp/CA+therapy target) and a couple good GSZ targets and you might have a solid build right there. Since this is Nic Fit, you could always hardcast mid/late-game Forces as well.

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Originally Posted by Greenpoe

Has anyone tried building a FOW-Future Sight build? Use Top, Jace and Future Sight as countermeasures to the card disadvantage from Force, but still use the foundation of Vet/Therapy/GSZ and Deed to control everything on the board. Throw in Baleful Strix (card advantage+removal+Therapy target) and Coiling Oracles (mana ramp/CA+therapy target) and a couple good GSZ targets and you might have a solid build right there. Since this is Nic Fit, you could always hardcast mid/late-game Forces as well.

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I thought about this but had trouble fitting Force in my list.