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I think you can find space for a 3/3 split of Perfect and this dude. Probably drop Priest counts. You have 7-8 mana elves to land a 3cc spell on turn 2 usually. He's really good since in the Entity builds, he fuels and pumps. Tribal is getting out of hand in Legacy with all these new lords. We have to start picking the best instead of running all of them :P
Oh wow, that guy is nuts. Lord and Priest built in one is quite insane. What is the casting cost of it, 3? It wasn't listed right there, but I'd assume it is.
Yes, its 1GG.
I would not running more than 10. You can't put in just Llanowars and Lords. I would say, cutting 1 Lord (depending on the meta. In germany I would never cut a Perfect) and maybe 1 Priest + 1 X.
With this lord, you can "combo" with Entity, without having Symbiote out ;).
3 Priest and 2-3 of these lords seems pretty crazy.
But without symbiote and Messanger you can't use all the mana (Good, that Wizards changed the manaburn rule. They did it for us elf-players ;) ). Packmaster seems to be a must-play then.
Yeah I think this lord breathes new life into the deck, definitely.
I think it makes the Symbiote / Packmaster builds much much better (Masticore too!).
From the looks of it, our beloved Elves got the best Lord :)
Yupp, too bad I traded away my elf uncommons lol. Gotta get them back again! I think Survival Elves might get really nutty now. Noticed that the goblin lord is also a classic good goblin combined into one card? i.e. Goblin Warchief + Goblin lord, and this elf is Priest + Lord.
I think a split of 3/3/3/4 Priest/Archdruid/Champion/Perfect is good. You can even drop Champions lower since you can survival them out against forest.dec, or board in the other 2 if you're playing against forest.dec. But this lord definitely needs to be included. 3 mana isn't a problem for this deck, and you can just beat fast with Entity now. Entity + Progenitus is a must together with this card printed as it is.
*Masturbates furiously*
This is gonna make the deck ri-goddamn-diculous!
I've been testing the deck below and a deck similar to the one you guys are running. Both are solid decks but the one below has less beats and more consistent combo.
In this deck I put the survival package and staff but also Glimpse which either draws you enough cards to staff/survival combo or nets you enough insect tokens to win. It's very consistent and it'll win turn 3-5 depending on the draw.
I'm testing some more land, a little MD burn hate, and 1 or 2 of Elvish Champion.
Land
6 Forest
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Taiga
Creatures
2 Mirror Entity
4 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Sylvan Messenger
4 Wirewood Hivemaster
4 Wirewood Symbiote
4 Quirion Ranger
4 Priest of Titania
4 Elvish Archdruid
1 Anger
1 Squee, Goblin Nabob
Spells
4 Glimpse of Nature
2 Staff of Domination
4 Survival of the Fittest
What do you think?
How would you cast Mirror Entity? Also, I think this thread is for Elves with Survival/NO, not Glimpse.
:smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by beastman
Ah yeah, entity was a last minute throw in and I didn't add in the savanna's yet.
What's this about no glimpse? Does that mean no staff? Because you know, those both support survival. Glimpse + Survival shouldn't be a problem.
Anyways, here's a more updated list:
Lands
4 Forest
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Taiga
3 Savannah
Creatures
2 Mirror Entity
4 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Sylvan Messenger
4 Wirewood Symbiote
3 Quirion Ranger
4 Priest of Titania
1 Anger
1 Squee, Goblin Nabob
2 Wirewood Hivemaster
1 Nullmage Shepherd
1 Regal Force
4 Elvish Archdruid
Spells
4 Glimpse of Nature
2 Staff of Domination
4 Survival of the Fittest
If this really is the wrong forum just point me in the right direction.:cool:
How has glimpse worked out for you without the Heritage druid engine? It seems like you'd run out of mana, and wouldn't have much of a combo turn. By the time you can chain mana, I'd rather just be bouncing messengers, and that will get you the draw.
I'd consider cutting glimpse/staff for 4 Natural Order, 1 Progenitus, and 1 awesome card of your choice. See how that tests. Might be better, might be worse, but in theory the glimpse doesn't seem that amazing in this build.
Staff is really awesome now you got 8 priest of titania's
In my opinion Natural Order as a back up is much better than the mirror entity route due to the amount of things you have to have stay in play with out disruption versus sacrifice an elf. The main focus of the deck is more cast champions smash and have survival and in my case order back up for added awesome. Heres what I plan to test for the next generation:
Creatures
1 Anger
4 Elvish Champion
4 Elvish Archdruid
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Imperious Perfect
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Priest Of Titania
2 Quirion Ranger
1 Viridian Zealot
Enchantments
4 Survival Of The Fittest
Legendary Creatures
1 Progenitus
1 Squee, Goblin Nabob
Sorceries
4 Natural Order
Basic Lands
9 Forest
Lands
3 Taiga
3 Windswept Heath
3 Wooded Foothills
Sideboard:
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Price of Progress
4 Krosan Grip
3 Choke
Ok, this elf is good for sure. It might make the deck more consistent. But does it solves the deck weakness ?
I don't think so.
This guy is not going to make you win the goyf+removals matchup (zoo/goyf sligh tempo thresh burn ...).
He is not going to make you win the aggro loam matchup (DD+seimic assault).
U/W/B standstill is not going to lose to this guy.
Countertop is still going to counter that guy with his 8/11 3cc cards.
Therefore I don't see any reason to play the deck with that new guy.
OK it will make you win matchups you should already win more frequently, but it doesn't solve what makes the deck lose.
You got to rock the new sideboard plan to make those matchups better:
Pop absolutely smashes landstill
Chalice is the answer for goyfsligh/zoo and maybe tempo thresh thats another post all together though.
As far as Counterbalance goes what 3cc cards are they running thats 8-11? I see maybe 2-3 trinket mage and I guess kgrip after board. 3cc has always been counterbalances weakness more or less. This guy is insane and better sideboarding cards will help these poopy matchups.
4 is the true weakness of CB. I don't see how no one understands this...They play virtually NO 4cmc slots. I know there aren't a LOT of cards that cost 4 that get rid of CB, but in a list that plays a lot of green, you would think that Reverent Silence would get the nod in at least one list...
Pce,
--DC
Hmm than you have to build arround.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waikiki
Something like
8 priest
8 llanowar elves
4 crossroads
4 staff
4 umbral mantel
4 spirit guide
could be a strong budgedt combo deck
I think Birdman hit the nail on the head. I really think that playing the Aggro elves plan is much more solid with this guy than a Combo finish. To those people saying that this guy doesn't make the deck any better, prepare to be proven wrong. He's a very welcomed boost in power. He makes an already great deck much better, because playing Turn 1 Mana Elf/ Turn 2 Archdruid is considerably better than Champion or Perfect. I'll just say, I'm extremely happy to have built this deck already. The deck does have some tough matchups, but you have great sideboard options. Krosan Grip, Choke, Thorn of Amethyst, Magus of the Moon, the list goes on and on. Also, Natural Order still wins games, Regardless of what all the haters will tell you.
2 Taiga
2 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
6 Forest
4 Survival
3 Natural Order
1 Squee
1 Anger
1 Progenitus
4 Llanowar Elves
3 Fyndhorn Elves
3 Quirion Ranger
3 Priest of Titania
4 Sylvan Messenger
4 Imperious Perfect
3 Elvish Champion
3 Elvish Archdruid
3 Wren's Run Vanquisher
1 Viridian Zealot
1 Wren's Run Packmaster
I've been testing this list against every deck I could think of that would be remotely difficult for elves. I literally lost 1 game out of 10 against a landstill deck with wraths, swords, explosives, and even wish for tsabo's decree. The resiliency(spelled that wrong didn't I PR?) of this deck is unreal. I even managed to pull out 4 out of 10 games against Quinn. I really can't express how good messenger is, with the lord count so high, it swings the game hugely almost every time it resolves. This is going to be a deck to beat very soon, I promise that.