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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
workingdude
If SCG is really the driving force behind the rising prices, then they actually might pull support for legacy in 2011. After a strong year of selling previously unmovable legacy cards, they stop holding these tournaments. Legacy prices fall again, and they'll buy some staples at relatively drastically low prices. (only to then raise support for legacy)
SCG is not making money by the tournaments alone with a 30$ entry fee and only getting ~150 people each time.
True, though they sell a lot of singles and also buy quite a number of cards for ~10-20% of what they sell them for. Add to that the various side events they run (EDH, etc.) and I imagine they must at least be breaking even, not taking into account the profit they are deriving from an overall increase in the price of legacy cards.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
workingdude
If SCG is really the driving force behind the rising prices, then they actually might pull support for legacy in 2011. After a strong year of selling previously unmovable legacy cards, they stop holding these tournaments. Legacy prices fall again, and they'll buy some staples at relatively drastically low prices. (only to then raise support for legacy)
SCG is not making money by the tournaments alone with a 30$ entry fee and only getting ~150 people each time.
Yeah, I really doubt that they would pull support so quickly. They have a huge customer base, and a huge warehouse - If the prices rise, they will almost certainly benefit.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
From my experience, SCG is the only Internet seller that you can really trust.
They are fast, they grade correctly and really are customer oriented. I received cards today that I ordered one week ago (I'm in europe). I also received an order from ABU today. I paid for it more than 2 weeks ago.
I've never had a bad experience with ABU in 4-5 orders, although they don't grade the card very well. Some Nm/M cards I ordered turned out to be Exc.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
Sea R Hill
I also received an order from ABU today. I paid for it more than 2 weeks ago.
I've never had a bad experience with ABU in 4-5 orders, although they don't grade the card very well. Some Nm/M cards I ordered turned out to be Exc.
That's normal, when shipping from the US to Europe. If the cards arrive within a month from some other continent, I'm fine with it. I don't expect them to arrive within a week, because sometimes it takes our own postal service here in Austria a week to ship to Germany, which isn't that far away...
I'm also pretty pleased by ABUGames, 'cause I ordered the last two of their Loyal Retainers für 39,99 USD/ea and they sent them to me without complaints. The cards were graded NM-M and are freshly mint! They did raise the price a day after that for LR, but did not cancel my order, as it seems other stores have done.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
SCG is buying Scroll Racks at $10. Guess it comboes with that new blue card.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
shit, that just caused a panic to break out.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
amazing, those are out of stock in every single shop. I don't get it, even with treasure hunt.
that's the new loyal retainers . . .
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
I just looked i have 43 scroll racks for some reason i think it is time to sell.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
I predict either: 1) After the next 5k the hype will die down around Scroll rack and everyone will go back to not playing it, or 2) Scroll Rack + Treasure Hunt will be such a broken source of card advantage for just one deck that one or the other will be banned.
Either way, I don't play decks with enough land to abuse Scroll Rack so I don't care.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
ryO!
amazing, those are out of stock in every single shop. I don't get it, even with treasure hunt.
that's the new loyal retainers . . .
Makes sense, I saw it earlier today.
I always believed that Scroll Rack was great because Land Tax puts cards you don't want into your library and swaps it out. The opposite is now true. Imagine now, when you're holding 4 lands in your hand and you have Scroll Rack in play. :2::u:: Draw 5.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
Magic Fanatic
I just looked i have 43 scroll racks for some reason i think it is time to sell.
psshhh, thats nothing compared to my over 9000 force of wills and pack fresh black lotii.
noob.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Looks like Phyrexian Tower is a pretty hot mover at the moment as well. It's sold out on most of the retail sites...
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
zebra unicorn too. snap them up, they're going fast.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
ryO!
amazing, those are out of stock in every single shop. I don't get it, even with treasure hunt.
that's the new loyal retainers . . .
Except Scroll Rack is bad, and Loyal Retainers just made an okay deck turn into a DTW.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
Odysseus
zebra unicorn too. snap them up, they're going fast.
Who the fuck are you, anyway?
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
majikal
Who the fuck are you, anyway?
HAHA. That was awesome. I'm surprised SCG is buying them for $10. Maybe what they are experimenting with is controlling the market for a certain legacy-only card whether it is good or bad.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
majikal
Who the fuck are you, anyway?
Odysseus, it should say so on the left somewhere.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
FoulQ
HAHA. That was awesome. I'm surprised SCG is buying them for $10. Maybe what they are experimenting with is controlling the market for a certain legacy-only card whether it is good or bad.
This I do know from economic principle: if a store is buying scroll rack for $10 without limit (at least until they change the price) then very quickly no one will be charging less than $10 for a scroll rack. For a brief period we will have an arbitrage situation.
Now, I've been wrong before but a 2+2U+1 sorcery speed draw gimmick doesn't seem likely to work. If I'm going to pay that much mana I'd like to win the game (painter+grind+activation=6) or 3BB=AdNauseum.
I guess what I'm finding rather confusing is that dual lands and FoW really aren't appreciating but fringe and not so fringe anymore rares are skyrocketing. You almost absolutely must have dual lands and/or FoW to get into legacy (I know you can play dragon stompy....) although it seems they aren't appreciating in the manner as other decks.
Is it that these cards were so undervalued before as others have said or is there a sinister force messing with the market?
What happens when everyone reacts to 43 lands winning a lot and all you see are combo decks, does Tabernacle drop to $100 again?
I know this thread is starting to go all over the place but after looking at the DTB/DTW thread why is combo having so many problems putting a significant amount of players into the top 8? Countertop is being played less now than in a very long time.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
Sea R Hill
From my experience, SCG is the only Internet seller that you can really trust.
They are fast, they grade correctly and really are customer oriented. I received cards today that I ordered one week ago (I'm in europe). I also received an order from ABU today. I paid for it more than 2 weeks ago.
I've never had a bad experience with ABU in 4-5 orders, although they don't grade the card very well. Some Nm/M cards I ordered turned out to be Exc.
... lol no wonder the internet is littered with complaints about stores. Some things are legitimately annoying, like it's pretty bad to have orders cancelled. I might even complain about that. But seriously, it's "only" excellent? I don't even know how you can so finely distinguish the two that you're so certain that no reasonable metric places it at NM.
Now if you got like: warped/played and were promised NM, I can see how you'd see the difference, but seriously? At Exc, you can't even be sure that it didn't take some damage in the mail.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
jazzykat
I guess what I'm finding rather confusing is that dual lands and FoW really aren't appreciating but fringe and not so fringe anymore rares are skyrocketing. You almost absolutely must have dual lands and/or FoW to get into legacy (I know you can play dragon stompy....) although it seems they aren't appreciating in the manner as other decks.
Have you realized that 80% of the cards named in this thread mysteriously disappear from the market and return with 300% increase in price? Why did you even mention duals and FoWs?
