Heh. That said, the Eldrazi are basically Cthulhu mythos meets Galactus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
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Heh. That said, the Eldrazi are basically Cthulhu mythos meets Galactus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
I keep seeing these ho-hum devoid cards, and the thought that comes to mind after each of them is "what good is devoid"? It seems to me that there has never been much in the way of benefits to colorless. Maybe stuff from Rise of the Eldrazi. But nothing much else. Anything that makes devoid have some use is bound to be relegated to Standard power level.
The big thing is flavour. Eldrazi are supposed to transcend color, and Devoid is a good way to get across the fact that Spell X is Eldrazi magic or one of the purer Eldrazi creatures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn
Only Purelace can save us nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Finn
They are like having artefact creatures immune to artefact destruction. They get round Mother of Runes, Dread of night and other colour hosers. It is only going to matter if we get an Eldrazi hate bear. Imagine Ethersworn Canonist for coloured spells?Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn
That would be nifty, but white isn't going to get Eldrazi, at least not in this set.Quote:
Originally Posted by lyracian
I... guess.... if Infect was "phyrexia wins" flavor for Mirrodin 2.0, then Devoid is "eldrazi wins" flavor for Zendikar... only Infect actually does a thing that matters and it would surprise me if Devoid ended up mattering a damn outside that actual block.
Like I guess color-protection is weaker but meh. Or anything in the REB/Pyroblast ballpark. It just seems so fracking inconsequential. Like I thought the biggest reason "Tribal" as a card type was killed was its underwhelming importance during gameplay; they tried it in playtesting Innistrad but it ended up appearing too often and doing too little. The last Tribal cards were therefore Eldrazi cards.
I think this is some brand of irony at work.
I would love this. Possibly a Lodestone Golem 2.0 (which is also from the plane of Zendikar)Quote:
Originally Posted by lyracian
I doubt this. While they talk of not looking at eternal formats, they can not overlook the impact such a card would have on Vintage.Quote:
Originally Posted by (nameless one)
It won't be as bad, considering Eldrazistone Golem can't be cast by Workshops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
Voidstone EldraziQuote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
Creature - Eldrazi Golem
XX
Chalice
X/X
Bring it
This is a pretty important point yeah. A 2 or 3 mana eldrazi resistor wouldn't impact vintage that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quasim0ff
Like:
Eldrazi shitter 2
Creature - Eldrazi
Devoid
Whenever your opponent play an odd cmc spell, put a 1/1 eldrazi drone otb.
Ingest
2/2
Dragonmaster Outcast reprint
and some more interesting stuff:
Painful Truths(?)
2B
Sorcery
Converge - Draw X cards and lose X life, where X is the number of colors of mana spent to cast Painful Truths.
Crumble to Dust
3R
Sorcery
Devoid (This card has no color.)
Exile target nonbasic land. Search its controller's graveyard, hand, and library for any number of cards with the same name as that land and exile them. Then that player shuffles his or library.
Crumble to Dust (the name should have rather been something like "Void the Land" IMO) is basically a functional reprint of Sowing Salt with better casting cost and colorless.
It's obviously not so good with the cards spoiled so far, but will Fist of Suns (and any other alternative mana costs) work with Converge cards the way I think it will?Quote:
Originally Posted by joven
Yes. Taxes like Thalia will also allow for extra cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by rufus
But, just to be clear, the card is still actually awful.
Yay... Dragonmaster... So now silly people can flock to the Lands thread and ask if it will be good.
Too bad hybrid mana is only a cost and not an actual type of mana, I'd consider paying :ur::wg::b: to draw 5/lose 5.
EDIT: Ugh except at that point you're already tapping something that makes blue mana, so of course you instantly must have had better things to do for 3 mana. Sigh
And the ultimate mana curve fixer for decks of any color:
Endless One
X
Creature - Eldrazi
Endless One enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters on it.
Boy, I want the color pie back! ;)
Imagine something like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gheizen64
Eldrazi Resistor :2:
Creature - Eldrazi
Devoid
Colored spells cost :1: more to cast.
2/2
That would be a good way to push an overcosted, coloress Eldrazi strategy for Standard.
As for actual spoilers, Endless One seems kinda odd. It curves extremely well. No Legacy material, though.
Without doing a bunch of Gatherer research, I'm almost certain that a vanilla X/X for X is just slightly under the curve for just about every color these days. I'm certain every color now has a 2/2 for 2 with a relevant ability or two*, and I'm pretty sure every color even has a 4/4 for 4 but I'm not 100% on that. Anyway, it's interesting that it is always on curve (or slightly below, w/e) but that's all it isQuote:
Originally Posted by joven
* not counting hybrid mana guildmages, I guess I mean mono-colored guys in all colors
As someone who flitters around in standard when the environment is looking good (as I strongly feel it was prior to DTK) this is one of the most disconcerting, if honest, statements I've ever seen from MaRo's weekly column.
A mea culpa prior to even release? Usually they wait for something to be underwhelming or break the game in two to start issuing apologies. I'm officially on board with the idea that the Expeditions were a last minute addition now to spice up a set they were concerned about.Quote:
Before I wrap up for today, I do want to answer one pressing question. A recurring theme you'll see through this and last week's articles is how often things were changed in development. Spawn turned into Scions. Ingest and Processors were made. Awaken became variable. Converge was added. Why such an excess of changes in development?
The answer is that we decided to swap from the three-set block model to a two-set block model in the middle of the design of Battle for Zendikar. During most of that time, Standard rotation hadn't changed—so we were trying to figure out how to keep Standard from increasing in complexity, and the only answer at the time seemed to be bringing down the complexity of each individual set. That meant I was trying to solve a very complex problem while keeping one hand tied behind my back, and the result is that the set didn't get handed over as complete as I would have liked.
That doesn't make any sense though...how does adding a bunch of shit and changing a creature type make Standard less complex? With the quicker rotation schedule, why is that even a bad thing? Like you're drawing in a ton of new players with another "milk it for nostalgia value" block anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by simdude
It also kinda explains the random art on many of the expedition lands that don't fit the cardname at all. And the set continues to be underwhelming so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by simdude
On a different note:
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Between this, Cavern of Souls and Vial, maybe some kind of Ally deck becomes playable in the same way slivers are "playable"?
I don't see a problem with that statement of MaRo.Quote:
Originally Posted by simdude
More disconcerting to me is:
It probably means we won't see all 5 enemy-colored manlands in Battle for Zendikar.Quote:
We even started an enemy cycle of lands that can animate themselves, following in the footsteps of the ally land cycle in Worldwake.
I hate it when they do incomplete cycles or spread a cycle over multiple sets. It leaves the cards of the cycle in different rarities (due to different sizes of the sets and different amount of opened boosters and so on).
Btw. MaRo also said there will be a new spell land cycle:
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We made a new cycle of "spell lands" that enter the battlefield tapped but have an enter-the-battlefield effect.
Marking it as sleeper. This will see some play. Maybe after Dig gets axed.Quote:
Originally Posted by joven
5c Ramp&TaxesQuote:
Originally Posted by theBloody
Seems like it would be an enormous pile of shit.
Maybe? But skeptical. Obviously competing with night's whisper, and off color thirst for knowledge and compulsive research. And maybe less powerful than read the bones, which sees no play.Quote:
Originally Posted by theBloody
Might be cool since it has potential to be a draw 3 at 3 mana.Quote:
Originally Posted by theBloody
Still would have liked it better as and X:b: spell.
Drawing 3 cards is a lot stronger than drawing 2, but I think it will be more of a standard/modern card than a legacy card because of the mana cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by theBloody
Maybe, but there aren't enough good low cc allies in legacy to reach critical mass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Chimeric mass
Not to mention that the biggest setback with any plan such as this is that Brainstorm and Abrupt Decay and Daze aren't Tribal Allies and can't be cast with this land or any related land such as Ancient Ziggurat.Quote:
Originally Posted by rufus
You got me thinking - the answer is DRS. Does both ramp and provide color fixing for the converge part. That's kinda nifty in my books.Quote:
Originally Posted by rufus
This would never show up in lists where DTT was, because the minute you put :u: into the cost of this card you have a huge wealth of other draw spells you could have been casting that don't make this card look very attractive. Like even as a draw three, do you really play this over something like Thirst for Knowledge?Quote:
Originally Posted by theBloody
I guess conboy31 is right, Compulsive Research and Read the Bones are probably better most of the time and they see no play.Quote:
Originally Posted by conboy31
...in Legacy. Both RtB and Compulsive have seen some play in Modern, although not nearly as much draw spells like Ancestral Vision.Quote:
Originally Posted by joven
Ancestral's seen play in Modern? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkenslight
Yes. It's even on the ban list. http://magic.wizards.com/en/gameinfo...nnedrestrictedQuote:
Originally Posted by Zombie
Net +2 cards is significantly stronger than net +1 card, and we can reasonably expect legacy and modern decks to find 3 colors by turn 3. I'm not sure how apt the comparison to read the bones really is.
No, but it's not the casting cost that's the issue. Getting this card to be a pay 3, draw 1,2, or 3 depending on the situation is not a bad card. It's quite strong, actually. Situationally better than Dream Cache, Read the Bones, etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by TsumiBand
BUT
The painful truth is that this is a Sorcery. That's really, really bad for a card like this. As an Instant, I'd be all over this to the point where I'd invest real money in foil copies.
Yeah, I'm looking at Painful Truths as draw 3 for 3 mana. The similar cards are Ancestral Vision and Standstill. Obviously Dig Through Time is the most powerful draw spell available right now. If it ever gets banned, then Painful Truth could be viable option for control lists to (almost) unconditionally draw 3 for 3 mana.