[Primer] Eldrazi Stompy

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Originally Posted by Drake0525

It just occurred to me, you could flicker a TKS in response to a miracle trigger - and exile the Terminus/Entreat before they can cast it.

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Doing it on your opponents draw step every turn when you have board position is like a better fateseal. Exile their best draw every turn. I do it less vs white decks in case I need it as a response to swords though.

Another league run, but this one had the worst luck ever, 1-4:

R1: BUG Delver (with red for Bolts) 0-2 (ridiculous good draws - when even a T0 Leyline + T1 Chalice + T2 uncounterable TKS isn't enough to stop him in the slightest, you know the luck isn't on your side)
R2: Miracles 0-2 (had all the right answers at the right time, Mentor build)
R3: Sneak & Show with Omni 1-2 (G1 he had a T2 kill with S&T --> Omni --> Grisel --> draw, Emra, dead. He did the same thing in G3, except on T1, on the play. :rolleyes: )
R4: TITI BUG 1-2 (didn't really know how to play against it, also got pretty unlucky)
R5: 12 Post 2-0

Serious blow to my win percentage and my rating. Can't always win, but losing like this still sucks, especially the S&T match.

Played a gpt today in Lancaster. Pretty boring report really.

Rd 1 esper stoneblade. He wins the roll i mulligan to 5 and he thoughtseizes me . i have two land ,two mimics , and a smasher, he takes the mimic, then surgical the other one .i top deck an end bringer ,he thought seizes again takes the smasher , plays a brainstorm. I top deck a tks play it take his stp .Next run i draw a land and play end bringer and win shortly after. Game two he wins after 2 wastelands. Game three chalice, win. (2-1)
Rd 2 Death and taxes .He gets a game loss for a deck reg error. Gm 2 i mull to 5 he wastelands me out after a turn one vial , i don't recover. Gm 3 i revoker turn 1 name vial he plays wasteland and passes. I play a tks . I see a hand of all white spells ,i take an stp and attack. Next turn he plays a Rishadan port i play and equip Jitte. (2-1)
Rd 3-4 we i.d. into top 8
TOP8
miracles Gm 1. He has an answer to my first 3 threats, i draw SEVEN land in a row. Gm 2 He has force/ blue card for chalice and thorn, snap caster -swords for my smasher and end bringer , then lands jace . I draw 4 land then dismember, he entreats for 4 , i die. got 5th.

Hey everyone,

Went 5-0 on a local tournament yesterday.
Played against DnT, infect, Rug Delver, maverick and elves.
MVPs were wasteland, mishras factory and believe it or Not my two MD nevinyrrils discs.
Worst cards were 2 trinisphere.
Karakas also didnt do much.
All in all a nice demonstration of the Eldrazis power.

Looking at my recent results, I think Spatial Contortion might at least be worth considering as a meta SB choice if Delver is strong in your particular meta. Having Dismember as only spot removal for flipped Delvers isn't that hot in the damage race.

On a slightly different note:
One of my recent opponents was so impressed by the deck that he bought it on MTGO. Today, he told me that he did a 5-0 run in league. Guess the deck still works. :tongue:

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Originally Posted by josch6083

Hey everyone,

Went 5-0 on a local tournament yesterday.
Played against DnT, infect, Rug Delver, maverick and elves.
MVPs were wasteland, mishras factory and believe it or Not my two MD nevinyrrils discs.
Worst cards were 2 trinisphere.
Karakas also didnt do much.
All in all a nice demonstration of the Eldrazis power.

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Two maindeck Disks! I've been considering maindeck All Is Dust. The disks take 5 mana and two turns for use, AiD takes 5 mana on one turn (assuming Eye) and no Amethyst or Thalia.



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Originally Posted by Barook

Looking at my recent results, I think Spatial Contortion might at least be worth considering as a meta SB choice if Delver is strong in your particular meta. Having Dismember as only spot removal for flipped Delvers isn't that hot in the damage race.

On a slightly different note:
One of my recent opponents was so impressed by the deck that he bought it on MTGO. Today, he told me that he did a 5-0 run in league. Guess the deck still works. :tongue:

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Agreed. I dropped the Dismember in favor of Spatial Contortion and don't see a difference...except I don't lose 4 life!

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Originally Posted by Barook

Yes, that works, but I don't think it has ever come up for me as they always killed either part of the combo before it became relevant.

@f7eleven: Rarely, although I double blinked TKS sometimes in the past with various builds.


How did you pull that off? Mimics/Endless Ones?

I agree it depends on your hands and the decks you play against. E.g. against Shardless BUG, a flooded board is the last thing they want to face early on.

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Turn 1 mimic + displacer (via petal) - i was on the play
Turn 2 endless one
Turn 3 endless one or mimic (cant remember which one)
He could not have played sneak attack and actived it fast enough (thanks to blood moon)



Now i'm testing another build:

Lands
4 [ROE] Eldrazi Temple
3 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
2 [EX] City of Traitors
4 [AVR] Cavern of Souls
4 [TE] Ancient Tomb
1 [LG] Karakas
2 [DDF] Mishra's Factory
4 [OGW] Corrupted Crossroads (see below the reasons)

Creatures
4 [OGW] Eldrazi Mimic
4 [OGW] Reality Smasher
4 [OGW] Thought-Knot Seer
4 [OGW] Matter Reshaper
4 [BFZ] Endless One
3 [OGW] Eldrazi Displacer

Spells
1 [NPH] Dismember
2 [BOK] Umezawa's Jitte
4 [MR] Chalice of the Void
2 [OGW] Warping Wail
4 [TE] Lotus Petal

Sideboard
2 [ROE] All Is Dust
4 [GP] Leyline of the Void
2 [OGW] World Breaker
1 [MMA] Faerie Macabre (FLEX)
2 [LRW] Thorn of Amethyst
2 [OGW] Wastes
2 [OGW] Kozilek's Return

Kozilek's return has been a good board sweeper vs delver, elves, shardless, strix, deathrite, D&T (except for batterskull and serra avenger) and all sort of tokens (pyromancer, mentor, thopters etc).
It's castable with corrupted crossroads and you still get acess to world breaker.

Yes... it will kill our mimics, but in most matches that we side in KR the mimics will left the deck anyway. Reshaper is not a problem, it replaces itself if needed.

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Originally Posted by Kami

Kozilek's return has been a good board sweeper vs delver, elves, shardless, strix, deathrite, D&T (except for batterskull and serra avenger) and all sort of tokens (pyromancer, mentor, thopters etc).
It's castable with corrupted crossroads and it benefits from eldrazi temple and eye of ugin.

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I believe kozilek's return will not benefit from eldrazi temple and eye because it's not Tribal - Eldrazi. But even so, it's still a good tech.

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Originally Posted by Silverflame

I believe kozilek's return will not benefit from eldrazi temple and eye because it's not Tribal - Eldrazi. But even so, it's still a good tech.

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Yeah, you're right, i've tested so much cards and just got confused when writing.

Aside from that, it's working wonderfully. Makes UR and elves matchups a lot easier and it's really good against BUG and D&T too.

Other removals that i tryed and don't get enough sucess: pyroclasm, nameless inversion, sword to plowshares (with brushland or tendo), disk, obligator (works in some cases to remove blockers and do extra damage) and a few others. The best of the bunch are KR and deluge as sweepers and dismember/contortion as one target removals. KR is better than pyroclasm because you can use crossroads and still get mana for world breaker. I prefer dismember, because you can use even if you dont get <C>, and has a better range, but both are ok.

Disenchant is a really nice card as a 1-of too (if you have enough W sources).

Obs: again, sorry by my poor english. I'm learning....

Is there any way to beat Blood Moon effects or Painter effects? We had an IQ last week and I was helpless against Imperial Painter. I have also had some struggles with D&T. I plan on taking the big squids to Columbus and whatever Classics/IQs I can do before then. I definitely need testing.

Has it become common practice to mainboard fast mana like SSG or ESG? I know a lot of people have strayed away from Mox Diamonds but aren't the guides just as rough late game?

I had been testing with Newlamog, against shardless I would just cast him, exile lands, attack exile 20, bounce with karakas, recast, repeat. Was debating on the old Kozilek to net 4 cards against decks like D&T or grindy matches. Just as a 1 of.

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Originally Posted by bonkotsu

Is there any way to beat Blood Moon effects or Painter effects? We had an IQ last week and I was helpless against Imperial Painter.

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Wastes. Keep in mind, though, that this is still an unfavorable matchup.

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Originally Posted by bonkotsu

Has it become common practice to mainboard fast mana like SSG or ESG? I know a lot of people have strayed away from Mox Diamonds but aren't the guides just as rough late game?

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You should be the aggressor in all non-combo matchups and aim to win in the early game. There isn't a consensus on the type of fast mana, but those specific choices should be informed by your splash color (if any), your overall land count, and whether you are running Thorn of Amethyst or Trinisphere.

How does a singleton Emrakul and a singleton Wastes not just shore up both of these cards?

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Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee

How does a singleton Emrakul and a singleton Wastes not just shore up both of these cards?

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I've been running a single newlamog in place of one of the world breakers. At least world breaker is uncastable if blood moon is out, unlike newlamog. In addition, newlamog is incredible in other slow grindy matchups since by the time you can use eye's fetch ability, you are able to hard cast him anyway.

This deck doesn't really make Emrakul mana.

Made another 3-0 rUN last night at my LGS. still running mono <C>.

Matches were:
D&T- 2-1
G1- mull to 5. We both start playing little guys, he wastes my ancient tomb, i wail a stoneforge but 2 turns later he vials in serra avenger then casts and equips jitte. I play mine the next turn but he wins the jitte race.
G2 I play 2 mimics though eye, follow up w a 4/4 endless one and kill him.
G3 a bit grindier, but similar, I get rid of a councils judgement w TKS and beat him to death with reality smasher

Shardless- 2-1
G1- I play a pair of mimcs and a TKS, he plays three goyfs, I lose
G2- TKS and a huge endless one. I boarded out mimics and some other stuff for 3 revoker, 3 trinisphere.
G3 I play a t1 trinisphere with factory, ssg, ssg and pray he doesn't force. He doesn't, I follow up with 2 mimics and a chalice on 1. Beat him to death with mimics.

Food chain combo- 2-1
G1- 4/4 endless one into TKS into a 6/6 endless one.
G2- I have the board loaded, he has tasigur and gurmag, I miscalculated my combat math and punted the game aaway(I was at 4 from ancient tomb, he was at 19). I had 2 TKS, a smasher, 2 revoker, and a 6/6 endless one.
G3- thorn into mimic, mimic, into TKS, into smasher. gg.

Many many Mulligans, but it all worked out in the end.

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Originally Posted by maraxusofkelds

I've been running a single newlamog in place of one of the world breakers. At least world breaker is uncastable if blood moon is out, unlike newlamog. In addition, newlamog is incredible in other slow grindy matchups since by the time you can use eye's fetch ability, you are able to hard cast him anyway.

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You can almost never cast Ulamog even with normal mana. How exactly do you plan on getting 10 mana under Blood Moon?

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Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee

How does a singleton Emrakul and a singleton Wastes not just shore up both of these cards?

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I think people overlooked what I assume you were aiming for: The Emrakul isn't meant to be cast; it prevents you from being decked by Painter, assuming you haven't drawn it. This is solid, but it would be too much of a cost to run preboard. SB, sure, if you plan on facing Painter. A singleton Wastes depends on how good you are at drawing it. I like the matchup more the more Wastes I have in my deck, but unless you have many in your deck, there will still be a majority of games where Painter Moons you and it becomes almost solitaire. Painter's Servant plus a bunch of blasts and Ensnaring Bridge is also quite strong. Painter by itself shuts down the Eldrazi Sol lands (because your Eldrazi aren't colorless anymore).

I was trying to look for the reason in this forum why Containment Priest was dropped and can't seem to find it here. The latest White Eldrazi in mtgtop8 features her as a 2/2 split. Why was she dropped again? Thanks in advance.

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Originally Posted by ESG

I think people overlooked what I assume you were aiming for: The Emrakul isn't meant to be cast; it prevents you from being decked by Painter, assuming you haven't drawn it. This is solid, but it would be too much of a cost to run preboard. SB, sure, if you plan on facing Painter. A singleton Wastes depends on how good you are at drawing it. I like the matchup more the more Wastes I have in my deck, but unless you have many in your deck, there will still be a majority of games where Painter Moons you and it becomes almost solitaire. Painter's Servant plus a bunch of blasts and Ensnaring Bridge is also quite strong. Painter by itself shuts down the Eldrazi Sol lands (because your Eldrazi aren't colorless anymore).

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Yes, thank you, that was in fact what I meant. I see your points, and they make good sense. I'm getting close to playing eldrazi, what is the most Wastes tested that still let's the build work?

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Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee

Yes, thank you, that was in fact what I meant.

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Oldlamog and Oldzilek have the same ability; considering their casting costs aren't quite as ridiculous, there's some merit to running either instead in case you end up drawing it. I doubt you're casting Emrakul any time soon but perhaps once in a blue moon, Oldzilek or even Oldlamog may be castable.

instead of the fat eldrazi you could also run Damping Matrix. It is good against painter, MUD, elves, pox, belcher, D&T, somewhat against BUG (Deathrite shaman ability is not a mana ability), goblin, merfolk and playable in some other matches in case you have nothing to side in.

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Originally Posted by Eldariel

Oldlamog and Oldzilek have the same ability; considering their casting costs aren't quite as ridiculous, there's some merit to running either instead in case you end up drawing it. I doubt you're casting Emrakul any time soon but perhaps once in a blue moon, Oldzilek or even Oldlamog may be castable.

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Quite right. I suppose my mind just goes to Emmy as it's the only one I've ever played or owned. Looks like original Ulamog is the one I would play.

I got pretty wrecked piloting this deck at a local event last night.

Round 1 vs Sneak & Show:

Game 1 he mulls to 5 and I have a pretty stacked hand with Mimic + Smashers. I drop a turn 1 Mimic, and he takes his draw and says, "I got pretty lucky," and proceeds to drop a turn 1 Griselbrand off Show & Tell. Apparently he drew the Lotus Petal which enabled him to make this play. Unlucky for me.

Game 2 I keep another good hand with a turn 2 Thought-Knot Seer which gets met with a Force of Will. He follows it up with a turn 2 Blood Moon. Sigh. I'm able to draw the game out landing a Chalice on 1, a Chalice on 3 (for Show & Tell), and a Trinisphere. At this point the only creatures I can cast are Mimics and Revokers (which I sided in for Sneak Attack). We play draw-go for ages, as his only real out is Sneak Attack, and I finally land a Mimic and start slowly chipping away. Unfortunately, he's able to find a Sneak Attack before I find Revoker, and he beats me with Griselbrand + Emrakul off a double Sneak Attack activation.

0-2, 0-1

Round 2 vs 4-color Deathblade:

I lose a quick game 1 to double True-Name + equipment. Game 2 I'm able to land a few big threats and then cast All Is Dust to wipe the board and attack for lethal. Same thing in game 3, but he topdecked a land to be able to hard cast his Batterskull, and I was able to hang around by forcing him to chump my Reality Smashers until he topdecked a Lingering Souls and flew over me with the Batterskull attached.

1-2, 0-2

Round 3 vs ???

My opponent apparently dropped and never told the tournament coordinator.

2-0, 1-2

Round 4 vs Death & Taxes

This legit seems like a nightmare matchup. Wasteland + Ports + Vials to get around our lock pieces make this pretty miserable. I lose to Mirran Crusader equipped with Jitte game 1 (as I'm holding a Dismember...sigh) and triple Stoneforge + neverending equipment game 2.

0-2, 1-3

Yikes. This was my first time piloting this deck, and it seems pretty explosive, but it appears that it falls prey to the same follies as all other stompy decks. Some decks just don't care about your prison pieces, and others just counter them. Blood Moon is miserable, too.

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Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee

Yes, thank you, that was in fact what I meant. I see your points, and they make good sense. I'm getting close to playing eldrazi, what is the most Wastes tested that still let's the build work?

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I'm running one main and trying to find a slot in the board for one more. I think two is the right number but slots are tight and it's hard to find something to give up. Fewer than two might never see one in a game where it matters.

I recall someone running Mind Stone x 2 and having success with it. Not sure if that's better than Wastes, and again, not sure what to cut but it might give better options than screwing with the mana base.

Dave

That's pretty interesting, I like that idea quite a bit.

Had a feature match at legacy tonight against infect. https://www.twitch.tv/redcapscorner/v/63218349 it starts around 39 minutes in. i went 2-2 tonight lost to 12 post and all in red and beat infect and imperial taxes.

Yesterday, I ended up playing a friend of mine who was running a home-brewed U/W Spirits Modern build (I didn't have a modern deck on me). Used Barook's build and I can tell you it feels great, although I can state dismember could hurt with the 4 damage taken.

Another 4-1 run:

R1: BG Suicide Zombies 2-1
R2: Nic Fit 2-0
R3: Mono C Eldrazi 2-0
R4: BUG Control 2-0
R5: UR Delver 1-2

UR Delver in particular doesn't seem like a good match-up since PoP is a pain in the ass and our removal isn't exactly great here. Not sure what changes to make yet. Maybe some Spatial Contortions in the SB, but cuts are difficult. I could cut one Dismember, but I'd like to have at least two Spatial Contortions. Flipped Delvers in general are pretty problematic.

I might consider cutthing Thorn completely for two Spatial Contortions and replace 1 Dismember for another Warping Wail to at least keep some combo hate. I'll test it in my new league run.

Edit: Next run: 3-2
R1: Mono C Eldrazi 2-1
R2: Grixis Delver 2-0
R3: UR Delver 0-2 (seriously, this match-up sucks and is getting more popular)
R4: Sneak & Show 2-1
R5: Miracles 1-2 (bad hands + mulligans G2 + G3, he had early Mentor both games)

I missed the third Dismember, so I'll go -1 Wail +1 Dismember in the board again.

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Originally Posted by darkgh0st

I was trying to look for the reason in this forum why Containment Priest was dropped and can't seem to find it here. The latest White Eldrazi in mtgtop8 features her as a 2/2 split. Why was she dropped again? Thanks in advance.

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Still looking for the answer to why Containment Priest was removed from the list. Can anybody elaborate on this one? I want to know whether I should pick her up or not.

GP Toronto this weekend. Going in with White Eldrazi in mad side events. Will update here on my findings.

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Originally Posted by Barook

Another 4-1 run:

R1: BG Suicide Zombies 2-1
R2: Nic Fit 2-0
R3: Mono C Eldrazi 2-0
R4: BUG Control 2-0
R5: UR Delver 1-2

UR Delver in particular doesn't seem like a good match-up since PoP is a pain in the ass and our removal isn't exactly great here. Not sure what changes to make yet. Maybe some Spatial Contortions in the SB, but cuts are difficult. I could cut one Dismember, but I'd like to have at least two Spatial Contortions. Flipped Delvers in general are pretty problematic.

I might consider cutthing Thorn completely for two Spatial Contortions and replace 1 Dismember for another Warping Wail to at least keep some combo hate. I'll test it in my new league run.

Edit: Next run: 3-2
R1: Mono C Eldrazi 2-1
R2: Grixis Delver 2-0
R3: UR Delver 0-2 (seriously, this match-up sucks and is getting more popular)
R4: Sneak & Show 2-1
R5: Miracles 1-2 (bad hands + mulligans G2 + G3, he had early Mentor both games)

I missed the third Dismember, so I'll go -1 Wail +1 Dismember in the board again.

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I solved this with kozilek's return and corrupted crossroads. Really, it's a sweeper against ur delver

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Originally Posted by darkgh0st

Still looking for the answer to why Containment Priest was removed from the list. Can anybody elaborate on this one? I want to know whether I should pick her up or not.

GP Toronto this weekend. Going in with White Eldrazi in mad side events. Will update here on my findings.

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Read the thread. It takes too many white non-Eldrazi sources to support properly.

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Originally Posted by Kami

I solved this with kozilek's return and corrupted crossroads. Really, it's a sweeper against ur delver

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Not an option for my version since 5 sources for red (two Crossroads, 3 Petals) are just way too few.

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Originally Posted by Barook

Read the thread. It takes too many white non-Eldrazi sources to support properly.


Not an option for my version since 5 sources for red (two Crossroads, 3 Petals) are just way too few.

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True, needs at least 7-8 red sources to work.
Maybe 1 ratched bomb in the side? It kills delver or tokens. Not ideal, but it has also other aplications.

I saw a guy using 2 eldrazi skyspawner. Not great, but could help. And vs moon it's good too if you manage to cast it before the moon enters in play. But i think it's just too cute, not a real application

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Another 4-1 run:

R1: BG Suicide Zombies 2-1
R2: Nic Fit 2-0
R3: Mono C Eldrazi 2-0
R4: BUG Control 2-0
R5: UR Delver 1-2

UR Delver in particular doesn't seem like a good match-up since PoP is a pain in the ass and our removal isn't exactly great here. Not sure what changes to make yet. Maybe some Spatial Contortions in the SB, but cuts are difficult. I could cut one Dismember, but I'd like to have at least two Spatial Contortions. Flipped Delvers in general are pretty problematic.

I might consider cutthing Thorn completely for two Spatial Contortions and replace 1 Dismember for another Warping Wail to at least keep some combo hate. I'll test it in my new league run.

Edit: Next run: 3-2
R1: Mono C Eldrazi 2-1
R2: Grixis Delver 2-0
R3: UR Delver 0-2 (seriously, this match-up sucks and is getting more popular)
R4: Sneak & Show 2-1
R5: Miracles 1-2 (bad hands + mulligans G2 + G3, he had early Mentor both games)

I missed the third Dismember, so I'll go -1 Wail +1 Dismember in the board again.

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How did the Spatial Contortions feel? The Rachet Bomb at 1 might be worth considering as a 5-0 MC build yesterday sided it. The problem like you said would be what to cut?

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Originally Posted by xArabOfficerx

How did the Spatial Contortions feel? The Rachet Bomb at 1 might be worth considering as a 5-0 MC build yesterday sided it. The problem like you said would be what to cut?

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Can't say much about Contortions as it hasn't come up yet.

League run: 4-1 - yet another good run ruined by a Delver deck. Seriously, fuck Delvers. :mad:

R1: Esper Blade 2-1
R2: Shardless BUG 2-0
R3: Miracles 2-1
R4: Grixis Delver 0-2
R5: Miracles 2-0

Looking at my track record against various Delver variants with my particular version, I'm 3-6 so far, with UR Delver being the worst at 0-3. Something certainly needs to be done, although I'm unsure what's the right cause of action yet.

Edit: I don't know why exactly my opponent refused to waste me. Tripple KotR isn't that hot when Displacer is on the field. :laugh:

Next league run: 3-2

R1: Zombardment 2-1
R2: Maverick 2-0
R3: Shardless BUG 2-1
R4: Grixis TITI Control 1-2
R5: Shardless BUG 1-2

R4 & R5 were lost due to pure lucksacking on part of my opponents and partly due to manascrew on my side. But since the league pairing system is fucked anyway, I was paired against my R5 opponent again to crush him good and proper in R1 of the next league. :laugh:

6-1 in matches vs Shardless with my build so far. The aggressive approach really pays off big time against them.

Edit #2: One of the great things about this deck is that you can spam an entire league run in less than 2 hours. :laugh:

Latest league run: 4-1 (this time with Ratchet Bomb in the flexslots; needs more testing)

R1: Shardless BUG 2-0 (revenge is sweet!)
R2: UR Delver 2-1 (slight green splash for Become Immense & Destructive Revelry)
R3: Miracles 1-2 (Nahiri might proof to be a massive problem, although the manascrew G3 didn't help either)
R4: Manaless Dredge 2-1 (they don't like Leyline of the Void - who would have thought? :wink: )
R5: Infect 2-0 (Displacer MVP)

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Originally Posted by Barook

Can't say much about Contortions as it hasn't come up yet.

League run: 4-1 - yet another good run ruined by a Delver deck. Seriously, fuck Delvers. :mad:

R1: Esper Blade 2-1
R2: Shardless BUG 2-0
R3: Miracles 2-1
R4: Grixis Delver 0-2
R5: Miracles 2-0

Looking at my track record against various Delver variants with my particular version, I'm 3-6 so far, with UR Delver being the worst at 0-3. Something certainly needs to be done, although I'm unsure what's the right cause of action yet.

Edit: I don't know why exactly my opponent refused to waste me. Tripple KotR isn't that hot when Displacer is on the field. :laugh:



Next league run: 3-2

R1: Zombardment 2-1
R2: Maverick 2-0
R3: Shardless BUG 2-1
R4: Grixis TITI Control 1-2
R5: Shardless BUG 1-2

R4 & R5 were lost due to pure lucksacking on part of my opponents and partly due to manascrew on my side. But since the league pairing system is fucked anyway, I was paired against my R5 opponent again to crush him good and proper in R1 of the next league. :laugh:

6-1 in matches vs Shardless with my build so far. The aggressive approach really pays off big time against them.

Edit #2: One of the great things about this deck is that you can spam an entire league run in less than 2 hours. :laugh:

Latest league run: 4-1 (this time with Ratchet Bomb in the flexslots; needs more testing)

R1: Shardless BUG 2-0 (revenge is sweet!)
R2: UR Delver 2-1 (slight green splash for Become Immense & Destructive Revelry)
R3: Miracles 1-2 (Nahiri might proof to be a massive problem, although the manascrew G3 didn't help either)
R4: Manaless Dredge 2-1 (they don't like Leyline of the Void - who would have thought? :wink: )
R5: Infect 2-0 (Displacer MVP)

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What are you bording in and out for shardless? i'm playing 74 of your 75. i'm 2-1 in sanctioned matches with this version but it still feels tough. What did you cut in the board for the 1 ratchet bomb? I have been playing with the idea of running 1t in place of the 3rd all is dust...thoughts?

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Originally Posted by metronome2charisma

What are you bording in and out for shardless? i'm playing 74 of your 75. i'm 2-1 in sanctioned matches with this version but it still feels tough. What did you cut in the board for the 1 ratchet bomb? I have been playing with the idea of running 1t in place of the 3rd all is dust...thoughts?

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Here you go

Displacer goes due to lack of good targets and requiring white mana. Jitte is meh and so is CotV. It also turns out that you deprive them of good AD targets this way (only Mimic & Reshaper left).

I cut both Thorns to gain my flexslots as I brought them in rarely anyway. Do NOT go below 3x All is Dust.

I'm using Barook's list on Xmage, I got 5-0 then 7-1 and now I'm 10-5 :/
Lost to mirror (Maraxus), storm, BUG, and twice to 12 post. So far I'm thinking 3 dismembers is too much and will probably cut one more thing for the helm combo.
Xmage have a weird field compared to paper magic, in over 20 matches (some where not completed, so I don't count them on W/L) I haven't faced one D&T, Burn, Esper or elves. These matches are very common in Brazil's meta, so I gotta train them as much as possible.

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Originally Posted by Barook

Here you go

Displacer goes due to lack of good targets and requiring white mana. Jitte is meh and so is CotV. It also turns out that you deprive them of good AD targets this way (only Mimic & Reshaper left).

I cut both Thorns to gain my flexslots as I brought them in rarely anyway. Do NOT go below 3x All is Dust.

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Thanks man, wasn't sure if it changed.

Went 4-0-2 into T8, losing in QF at a 1.5k just now. 47 players, beat Deathblade x2 , Death and Taxes, and BUG Loam, lost to Miracles. Was a couple cards off from Barook's list, I was very very underwhelmed by the SB in general - All is Dust and World Breaker always felt too late to be relevant (given that I played 4 wasteland decks in swiss), and only just okay against miracles. Main Deck felt great though, except for Lotus Petal (Which I never had to pop on curve, it was always just in a replacement for a missed land), but that's a small sample where I just didn't have hands where that was relevant (always wanting to instead keep it in hand to bluff because I had other colored sources and better on curve plays).

As for the SB, I'd want to try more prison pieces, but then again I didn't play the list when they ran more of them anyways, so its possible I'm just over valuing them in my head.

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Originally Posted by Nocley

Went 4-0-2 into T8, losing in QF at a 1.5k just now. 47 players, beat Deathblade x2 , Death and Taxes, and BUG Loam, lost to Miracles. Was a couple cards off from Barook's list, I was very very underwhelmed by the SB in general - All is Dust and World Breaker always felt too late to be relevant (given that I played 4 wasteland decks in swiss), and only just okay against miracles. Main Deck felt great though, except for Lotus Petal (Which I never had to pop on curve, it was always just in a replacement for a missed land), but that's a small sample where I just didn't have hands where that was relevant (always wanting to instead keep it in hand to bluff because I had other colored sources and better on curve plays).

As for the SB, I'd want to try more prison pieces, but then again I didn't play the list when they ran more of them anyways, so its possible I'm just over valuing them in my head.

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You can't expect All is Dust & World Breaker to work as intended when you run 4x Wasteland. :really: