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If Voidwalker sticks you almost always go for attacks. Played like 100 matches with Ragavan and Voidwalker.
Honestly both just eat removal so my Confidants can stay alive. I used voids active once and it wasnt relevant.

Ragavan on the other hand steals stuff every other game.

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Originally Posted by Barook

I wonder how good Ignoble Hierarch + Voidwalker is going to be. You could easy go

T1: Hierarch
T2: Voidvalker, 1-mana discard

And then you could either play their best card the next turn or attack with a 4 power shadow creature every turn while hosing their GY. Sounds like a super-strong creature combo from a value perspective, especially since both are good on their own.

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Just like all discard spells, the cards become useless towards the mid game when both are just top decking. Voidwalker does not help with this issue. Great on turn 1-3

Nonetheless, there's absolutely no reason to play anything outside of Red and Blue right now.

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Originally Posted by KobeBryan

Nonetheless, there's absolutely no reason to play anything outside of Red and Blue right now.

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The best reason to be outside of red and blue is probably mono-Choke stompy with SB Tsunami.

Edit: Maindeck Carpet of Flowers and Endurance

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Originally Posted by FTW

The best reason to be outside of red and blue is probably mono-Choke stompy with SB Tsunami.

Edit: Maindeck Carpet of Flowers and Endurance

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And how good are those decks outside of those matchups.

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Originally Posted by KobeBryan

And how good are those decks outside of those matchups.

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Comes down to how many people buy into "there's absolutely no reason to play anything outside of Red and Blue right now".

Brainstorm was already >50% of decks. If the format skews even more towards blue (Sunday Challenge was 25% UR), at some point Choke.dec has text. It's not like Chalice @ 1, Karn and Urza's Saga are bad cards in other matchups.

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Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin

Stoneforge Mystic and Aether Vial and Mom and Recruiter of the Guard and Swords to Plowshares and Flickerwisp do nothing to stop you from being Tendril'd to death turn 2. Are you saying those are bad cards?

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Excuse me, but you seem to be missing the fact that we're talking about a 1W creatures. I'd rather have Thalia against TES/ANT than playing a game of Mesa Pegasus, go.
Also, I never saw your name on this boards yet you have thousands of posts; is that number manipulated somehow and I'm falling for some kind of a moderators' meme?

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Originally Posted by Rob Hack

Excuse me, but you seem to be missing the fact that we're talking about a 1W creatures. I'd rather have Thalia against TES/ANT than playing a game of Mesa Pegasus, go.
Also, I never saw your name on this boards yet you have thousands of posts; is that number manipulated somehow and I'm falling for some kind of a moderators' meme?

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He was banned for a while. But he's legit. Put together some very cool brews back in the day.

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Originally Posted by Rob Hack

Excuse me, but you seem to be missing the fact that we're talking about a 1W creatures. I'd rather have Thalia against TES/ANT than playing a game of Mesa Pegasus, go.
Also, I never saw your name on this boards yet you have thousands of posts; is that number manipulated somehow and I'm falling for some kind of a moderators' meme?

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I legit can't tell if my chain is being yanked right now

Also you can run multiple two drops

Should, some might even say

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Originally Posted by Goaswerfraiejen

He was banned for a while. But he's legit. Put together some very cool brews back in the day.

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Although "Rob Hack" with only two posts ever both of which serve to grief me makes me think someone is just setting this up for shits and giggles tbh

Also the fact that SFM is a 1W creature but honestly I was too flat-footed to point that out in my first reply post

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Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin

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Although "Rob Hack" with only two posts ever both of which serve to grief me makes me think someone is just setting this up for shits and giggles tbh

Also the fact that SFM is a 1W creature but honestly I was too flat-footed to point that out in my first reply post

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Joined 2020 and you're all it took to get them to end their year long vow of silence

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Originally Posted by Purple Blood

You shut your mouth. Balustrade Spy is objectively good.

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Truly a glorious assertion!

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Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin

I legit can't tell if my chain is being yanked right now

Also you can run multiple two drops

Should, some might even say

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Lol. Everyone here recognizes you IBA. You're infamous, just as you had always hoped.

I joined year ago in anticipation of an unbanning of banned poster. I have few more multinicks in case I'd need to comment on another unbanned lover of 1W Banding Flying birds.

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Originally Posted by Rob Hack

I joined year ago in anticipation of an unbanning of banned poster. I have few more multinicks in case I'd need to comment on another unbanned lover of 1W Banding Flying birds.

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This is the most boring spy novel

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Originally Posted by Clark Kant

Lol. Everyone here recognizes you IBA. You're infamous, just as you had always hoped.

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I'mma be honest, you clearly have some beef with me but I don't really remember who you are

Apparently you can stack Thespian Stage and Urza's Saga in such a way that Stage keeps the Karnstruct ability forever without dying. :eyebrow: Just saw it on anzid's stream.

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Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin

I'mma be honest, you clearly have some beef with me but I don't really remember who you are

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Lol, no beef. I found your brews a lot of fun.

Didnt you build a hilariously fun deck around Helldozer at some point, or was that someone else.

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Originally Posted by Barook

Apparently you can stack Thespian Stage and Urza's Saga in such a way that Stage keeps the Karnstruct ability forever without dying. :eyebrow: Just saw it on anzid's stream.

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No stacking really, just copy something else after two and before 3 resolves

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Originally Posted by Barook

Apparently you can stack Thespian Stage and Urza's Saga in such a way that Stage keeps the Karnstruct ability forever without dying. :eyebrow: Just saw it on anzid's stream.

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What else goes in that deck?

Also, how do the rules work there? Stage becomes a Saga, no? And Sagas gain counters each turn, no? It sounds cool, but I’m confused.

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Originally Posted by BirdsOfParadise

What else goes in that deck?

Also, how do the rules work there? Stage becomes a Saga, no? And Sagas gain counters each turn, no? It sounds cool, but I’m confused.

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Copy, get second counter "it gains" -> in upkeep before 3rd counter, change to not Saga.

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Originally Posted by BirdsOfParadise

Also, how do the rules work there? Stage becomes a Saga, no? And Sagas gain counters each turn, no? It sounds cool, but I’m confused.

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Short answer is layers. Those chapter abilties resolve to create layer 6 effects which are applied after stage's normal layer 1 effect.

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Stage is now a Saga. It has 3 Chapter Abilities and 2T: Copy something else.
On your First Main it's chapter abilities triggers and now it has a layer 6 Ability adding effect, T: Add C.
On your next first main, chapter two triggers and now it has a new layer 6 ability adding effect, 2T: Make a Karnstruct.
Now if you copy comething else, the copy will be applied in layer 1, Copy effects. So Your stage has copied a Basic Mountain. It copies everything that is a mountain. Basic Land -- Mountain, T: Add R. But then in layer six, those two other abilities say "Also, this permanant has an effect which added abilities to it: T: Add C and 2T: Make a Karnstruct.

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Originally Posted by Clark Kant

Lol, no beef. I found your brews a lot of fun.

Didnt you build a hilariously fun deck around Helldozer at some point, or was that someone else.

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I wouldn't say it was built "around" Helldozer but it did run Helldozer as a kill con yeah

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Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin

I wouldn't say it was built "around" Helldozer but it did run Helldozer as a kill con yeah

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Woah, IBA is back? Why did no one tell me?

So are IBA and Chunderbucket the same poster?

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Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit

Short answer is layers. Those chapter abilties resolve to create layer 6 effects which are applied after stage's normal layer 1 effect.

Long answer:
Stage is now a Saga. It has 3 Chapter Abilities and 2T: Copy something else.
On your First Main it's chapter abilities triggers and now it has a layer 6 Ability adding effect, T: Add C.
On your next first main, chapter two triggers and now it has a new layer 6 ability adding effect, 2T: Make a Karnstruct.
Now if you copy comething else, the copy will be applied in layer 1, Copy effects. So Your stage has copied a Basic Mountain. It copies everything that is a mountain. Basic Land -- Mountain, T: Add R. But then in layer six, those two other abilities say "Also, this permanant has an effect which added abilities to it: T: Add C and 2T: Make a Karnstruct.

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Thank you, FourDogs! (And thanks, Fox, although tbh I needed it spelled out.)

Does this go into some kind of mostly brown deck that also uses Depths (and in which Urza’s Saga can grab Expedition Map so that any two of the three lands is a combo)? I’m curious about how people are using this interaction and how successfully, since someone mentioned seeing it on a stream.

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Originally Posted by morgan_coke

Woah, IBA is back? Why did no one tell me?

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I mean, I made a thread

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Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit

So are IBA and Chunderbucket the same poster?

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No but I was responsible for Thunderbluff if that counts

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Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit

Short answer is layers. Those chapter abilties resolve to create layer 6 effects which are applied after stage's normal layer 1 effect.

Long answer:
Stage is now a Saga. It has 3 Chapter Abilities and 2T: Copy something else.
On your First Main it's chapter abilities triggers and now it has a layer 6 Ability adding effect, T: Add C.
On your next first main, chapter two triggers and now it has a new layer 6 ability adding effect, 2T: Make a Karnstruct.
Now if you copy comething else, the copy will be applied in layer 1, Copy effects. So Your stage has copied a Basic Mountain. It copies everything that is a mountain. Basic Land -- Mountain, T: Add R. But then in layer six, those two other abilities say "Also, this permanant has an effect which added abilities to it: T: Add C and 2T: Make a Karnstruct.

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That is way too much text to read for a card that has a 0% chance of not being banned

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Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin

That is way too much text to read for a card that has a 0% chance of not being banned

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Thankfully I provided a short answer for you too! I even put it first.

Prismatic Ending has been the unexpected breakout for me. It's everywhere now.

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Originally Posted by Pittplayer

What cards you keep in your sb are based on your deck and your meta. Some decks run decay. Some decks run pithing needle. Again you are just talking nonsense. I asked you what decks A. want the card. B. what cards get cut to put that card in the deck. C. what exciting new decks will this form. Cause I am saying A. None. B. None. C. None. Still waiting while you say just silly things. I don't need to go through every card commonly played in legacy and explain to you why they are run as you are suggesting. The metagame speaks for itself. It is on you to prove, with "any??" points why this new card is an auto-include for some decks, as you actually have said. You said this card will see legacy play. Where? In what decks? Still waiting for.. an actual argument for the card...

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gottem

I wonder if we're going to see Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar + The Underworld Cookbook in Legacy as well. It seems to be all the rage in Modern lately.

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Originally Posted by Barook

I wonder if we're going to see Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar + The Underworld Cookbook in Legacy as well. It seems to be all the rage in Modern lately.

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Hogaak and Bridge From Below aren't banned in Legacy.

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Originally Posted by Purple Blood

Hogaak and Bridge From Below aren't banned in Legacy.

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It is not as good as gaak in a all in shell. But I think it can't have promise as a cheap CA engine + threat for pox type decks. It plays well with land tax.

I wonder if we can see some Deadguy Ale shell down the line that can utilize Voidwalker in tandem with Sword of the Realms. It has everything to make Voidwalker even better - extra power, vigilance to enable swinging + sac ability and then auto-reycle to do it all again next turn. Throw in Vials to skip the recast and you essentially have an upkeep cost of :1::w: per turn to cast something exiled from your opponent while swinging with a 5 power shadow creature. Might a cool 1-of against certain decks.