[Deck] MUD (Metalworker)

As promised I've written down a short overview of the matches I played at GP Lille.

Round 1 - BUG Delver
In my experience this is quite a difficult matchup, but not impossible to win.
Game 1: Cavern of Souls on construct wins the game. First I put in a Metalworker which meets an Abrupt Decay, then I put in an uncounterable Forgemaster. I have to wait 2 more turns to get an extra artifact in, but when I do Blightsteel kicks in and seals the game in two swings.
Game: 2: I don't remember exactly what happened here but I think I mulled to 6 and he had a good hand. In the end he had two Tarmogoyfs for lethal but I finally found 8 mana for Ugin. But of course it gets forced, so I scoop.
Game 3: Caverns won me the game again. Turn 1 Grim monolith, Turn 2 Forgemaster, Turn 3 Blightsteel + Lightning Greaves which I just drew. Game!

2-1 (1-0)

Round 2 - Death & Taxes
This matchup feels like a coin flip most of the time. Getting out of the mana lock usually wins the game.
Game 1: I have hand with 3 lands (post, vesuva, cavern), I win the die roll and start with cloudpost. It gets wasted. Same happens with vesuva and cavern. (which was a mistake btw, since I copied his plains which couldn't be wasted, I found out 2 rounds later and called a judge to ask what to do. After 10 (!) minutes of internal judge-discussion the conclusion is that they're not going to do anything about it. Doesn't really matter I guess since my 4th land would have been wasted in that case)
After I stabilize with some new lands I managed to get Forgemaster in play with 2x grim monolith. I also landed a chalice at 1 the turn before to avoid Swords to plowshared.
My opponent has a Thalia, Sword, Batterskull, Stoneforge, Doublestrike dude, Mother of Runes. I go down to 2 life and untap, draw a land and pass the turn. My opponent thinks he has won and attacks with his squad. I sacrifice the grims and forgemaster for Platinum Angel. After reading the card he looks amazed and passes the turn. I draw another land and he topdecks a Jitte which he equips on the doublestriker to take out my Platinum Angel. I lose. Too bad since I had chalice at 1. Only Jitte, Flickerwisp and Mangara could have saved him then, he didn't have any of these in his hand.
Game 2: I don't remember exactly but I trampled him. I think Blightsteel sealed the game in around 5 minutes with a turn 4 kill.
Game 3: I draw a hand with Vesuva, Cavern, Blightsteel, Ugin, Lodestone, Lodestone, Forgemaster. Too slow I guess so I mull to 6. Giving me the exact same hand without the Cavern this time. I mull to 5 and get Grim, Grim, Metalworker, Blightsteel and Lodestone. Damn it! So I mull to 4 and get Tomb, City, Ratchet Bomb and Coercive which I keep. He plays a land and passes. I play Ratchet Bomb and pass. He plays port + thalia. I draw a wasteland and hit his port and pass turn (bomb on 1 counter). He plays another port and revoker on my bomb. I play city but can't play the coercive due to thalia. After that he keeps tapping my city and since my bomb can't do anything I'm locked. Thalia en Revoker kill me.

1-2 (1-1)

Round 3 - Burn
With this MUD-setup I'm quite happy playing burn. With control/planewalker version it's much more difficult.
Game 1: I win the die roll and hit Chalice at 1 and pass. He plays suspend bolt and passes. I'm not sure what I played after that but Metalworker kicked in soon after that. I think it put in Lodestone and Wurmcoil after that which won me the game.
Game 2: This was almost unfair. I played cloudpost and turn 2 Trinisphere, turn 3 Chalice, Turn 4: Lodestone and Turn 5: 2x Thorn of Amethyst. I was at 12 life when Lodestone killed him and he shows me his hand with 2x Price of Progress (I had 3 lands). Fortunately he only had 3 lands and the Prices cost him 5 due to all the tax effects.

2-0 (2-1)

Round 4 - RUG Delver
I'm not afraid of this matchup, but I guess it's only just above even.
Game 1: He won the die roll and plays delver, after that he countered my first three spells I think and wasted a land. I got trampled by Delver (flipped turn 3 I think) and lost.
Game 2: I play chalice which gets forced. No worries since I have 2 metalworker, a cavern and lots of artifact goodies. I play Metalworker which he bolts. Next turn I play another Metalworker which meets Ancient grudge.... ouch. I use Wasteland to take out his only green resource but the turn after he plays Deathrite and has access to green again. This is too much to handle, since he wasted my cloudpost and I couldn't get to enough mana for Ugin.

0-2 (2-2)

Round 5 - Merfolk
This is a great matchup. I like to see the fish :)
Game 1: I win the die roll and keep a crazy hand with 3x tomb, 1x cavern, 1x lodestone, 1x coercive and... 1x platinum. After a lot of selfpain I'm on 8 turn 4. Tapping 3x tomb, 1x Cavern of "Angel" I put in Platinum Angel going down to 2 life. After that I kept using the tombs, hoping he doesn't find an Echoing Truth. But since I keep drawing two cards per turn I find a Chalice and set it on 2. Platinum beats him to dead since he can't block flying. I win the game with a life total of -14 or something :tongue:
Game 2: Turn 1 I put in Grim Monolith + Trinisphere. Quite a good start. When he starts putting in Merfolks I don't to worry about getting forced although he does try. I tap on the trini and says he can't do that. So my Forgemaster resolves and when Blightsteel enters it starts eating fish ;) I win.

2-0 (3-2)

Round 6 - Shardless BUG
Another even matchup somewhat I think. Always difficult to play.
Game 1: I win the die roll and hit Chalice at 1. He wasted my land. I think I had 4 lands to start with so no problem there. I even wasted his next wasteland and after metalworker hits the field he scoops. I think we played a little more than 5 minutes.
Problem is I have only seen 2 wastelands and 1 swamp. No idea what he was on, so I guess it could be Pox. I boarded in 4th wasteland and crucible only since I wasn't sure.
Game 2: I don't remember exactly but I know this was a long game. Just when I though to win he played a Shardless revealing Decay I think. After that a stalemate but he has ancestral running down on counters which delivers card advantage that kills me.
Game 3: I start which chalice which he forced. Turn after I drop Coercive which meets Daze. I had a lot of lands (post, post), 1x Crucible and 2x Ugin I think so thinks are looking good still. But then he puts in Deathrite which effectively kills my Crucible moves. He wasteland both my cloudpost which get me stuck at around 6 mana I think. Not enough for Ugin. Goyf seals the game and day 2 is gone :frown:

1-2 (3-3)

Round 7 - Storm
I'm in the "relax-zone" now since players can't get to day 2 anyway.
Game 1: I landed a Chalice at 1 I think and he scoops.
Game 2: I didn't know what he was playing but I saw some fetch for Blue/Black/Red which got me thinking he was on Grixis. I boarded in the wrong cards therefore. I think I lost to 10 goblin tokens after that.
Game 3: Starting with a fresh board I'm confident in taking this match. I start with cloudpost pass. He plays a land and lion's eye diamond and passes. I play Trinisphere turn 2. He basically is screwed now. After that I think I played a Chalice at 1 and 2 and two Lodestones. Game!

2-1 (4-3)

Round 8 - Burn
Game 1: I land a trinisphere and he is short on lands. I, on the other hand, have around 6 lands since he keeps feeding me with his goblin. It was much appreciated and I used it to put in big guys (lodestone, wurmcoil) and he scoops.
Game 2: Since the airconditiong broke down it really gets hot in Lille. So I make a big mistake here. I manage to get Forgemaster and he has Grim Lavamancer. He passes the turn and I'm on 2 life but have a Chalice at 1 and 2 by then I think. I should've searched for Platinum then but waited to do it in his turn (don't know why, must have been the heat I guess :cool:). He drops a fetch and breaks it, in respond I searched for Platinum but in response he uses grim to kill me. Oops.
Game 3: I played a trinisphere turn 2 and had forgemaster and golem in pretty quick which makes me very certain of the win. He then kicks in Price of progress for 10 damage. I go down to 8. Since I have a wasteland I'm still quite certain he can't kill me but to be sure I play my topdecked chalice at 2 and pass. End of his turn I search for blightsteel and kill him in my turn. Afterwards he tells me the chalice at 2 saved me and showed me his hand which contained Deflecting Palm. I didn't know the card but it would have killed me indeed. Hurray for chalice.

2-1 (5-3)

Round 9 - Transmute-Welder
The organisation kept the best pairing for the last round. I have no idea if it's a good matchup in theory but it sure as hell was fun.
Game 1: He plays great furnace and lands a Welder. Hey, I've found a brother in arms I think. Now I just have to make sure I don't get anything in my graveyard. I play a tomb and pass.
He plays a cavern naming artificer and plays stoneforge. Rather cool, I use the same dudes in my R/W aggro mud deck. Anyway I land a lodestone I think and he plays Tangle wire. Another cool card :)
I tap some of my lands and take a beating but have 2 postlands in now. Turn after I drop a metalworker that blocks Batterskull to save me. Then I drop Ugin, wiping his entire board. He's quite amazed but still has batterskull (without the black token tough). I land another metalworker to block batterskull. I was on 2 life or something and he was around 40 or anything? After that I think I dropped lodestone to block again and Ugin keeps pumping. He returns batterskull to play it again but it's too late since I ultimate Ugin. I draw metalworker and greaves and had staff of domination in play. With just enough artifacts in hands it's game for me.
Game 2: He plays a welder and passes. I play a grim and pass. He plays Transmute artifact a sacs lotus petal. I'm quite amazed since I don't know what the hell he'll search for on 0 mana? He searches wurmcoil and drops it in the grave. How funny is that, I didn't know this was possible. I drop a Wurmcoil turn 2. He welds it in. We have a real wurmcoil showdown. But he keeps welding it in and out giving him tokens. I have lots of mana and staff again so I can tap some of his things now and then but he then plays Dack Fayden! Arghhh. I joke he joined up with the enemy! But scoop afterwards :eyebrow:
Game 3: I play a lot of mana and dropped in Ugin. He searches for Steel hellkite and thinks he has won. But I activate Ugin to deal damage to it and play another Ugin! It damages Steel hellkite to 6. Turn after I drop in a Karn Liberated and that's it. Two big planeswalkers in play for me, he scoops. Yay!

2-1 (6-3)


Some remarks:

- I expected a lot of Miracles, Omniscience and Grixis but saw none! :eyebrow:
- Not sure if this version was the best one to play although it did save me from burn twice.
- Sundering Titan keeps disappointing me. I played it once from my hand for a win-more and could search for it multiple times but never did. Blightsteel always was the better choice.
- I was very happy with my 24 lands. Caverns and Wastelands were much needed and so were the 8 sol lands. Only 2 vesuva never bothered me. I was happy with this setup.
- I never searched up Spine! In the past I needed it for sure so I'm not sure taking it out is a good idea.
- Ugin is great! It takes games by itself. If it lands you win, period.
- I was happy with 4th wasteland + crucible in sideboard. Used it many times.
- The only two cards that didn't see any play were the 2 Tormod's Crypt. I'm going to throw 1 out of there I think.


I'm not sure about what to play next time. I was thinking about building a Winter Orb variant as well so I'm sure going to try that. I'm also very interested in the Transmute-welder deck which seemed fun to play and very strong as well (guy was on 5-2 before and had some terrible terrible luck game 8).

Next to that I think Ghirapur Aether Grid from Origins could really be a thing. We have lots of artifacts just lying around. Using them to shoot creatures and also finish the game in a control deck seems marvelous :smile:

Anyway, sorry for the wallpaper of text, I hope you made it to the end :wink:

@Airwave: Thank you for the report. I'm interested in hearing your findings about Winter Orb.

Questions:

1) Has the meta changed, taking out Sneak and Show and focusing more on mono-blue Omni-Tell? How do we react to that? (Take out Spine from maindeck?)

2) Helm of Awakening can be a great card. It makes our planeswalkers cheaper. And maybe fits the Rage Extractor deck. Does anyone have other ideas on how this can break the symmetry?

Thank you.

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@Airwave: Thank you for the report. I'm interested in hearing your findings about Winter Orb.

Questions:

1) Has the meta changed, taking out Sneak and Show and focusing more on mono-blue Omni-Tell? How do we react to that? (Take out Spine from maindeck?)

2) Helm of Awakening can be a great card. It makes our planeswalkers cheaper. And maybe fits the Rage Extractor deck. Does anyone have other ideas on how this can break the symmetry?

Thank you.

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It would need to be a different build to fit the helm.
You could use 4 trinisphere and lots of cards above 3 so it only helps you.
you can use Ancestral Statue and bounce monolith or sundering titan to capitalize. It's not amazing though against a 1 mana tarmogoyf. On a red build you could bounce a Goblin Settler. But it is still sorcery speed and I couldn't find a card to really make it broken.

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I don't know about BUG, they always seem to have an answer. Double Hymn is impossible to come back to and an active Lilliana can get too much.

Your best answer is to resolve an early Wurmcoil and hope your resistors are good enough to slow them down.

I think the RUG match up is better actually because they're more susceptible to the deck's resistors.

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As what we all know, consistency is the problem of the deck. We know that Chalice strategies can be great in the meta (just look at GP Lille).

The question MUD players should be asking is how to be more consistent. A lot of decks achieve this with the blue cartel package but this deck preys on that. Looking at the GP Lille Aggro Loam lists, they achieved this with Life from the Loam with Green Sun's Zenith package. While that route doesn't really match this deck's game plan, there are other things that can be done.

Instead of trying to play catch up with the other deck's consistency, why not slow them down? Chalice and 3sphere already does that but is that enough? People might argue that putting a clock behind it wouldn't make it matter. If you look at the GP Aggro Loam lists, on top of slowing the opponent's cantrip with Chalices and mana denial, they also have GSZenith.

My suggestion is instead of doing that route, why not just go full blown denial like Lands? A lands deck made it big in GP Lille. Instead of relying on Chalice and 3sphere (that can get Decayed and Shattered), why not add more components to slow the opponent? A reliable means to slow the opponent from the very beginning of the game. Isn't that why the deck is called MUD? Because it's like trying to wrestle your way out of the MUD pit. Has anyone reconsider a low casting curve MUD that still uses 12post land package and Metalworker to abuse Winter Orb? What about using Sphere of Resistance as chalice/3sphere "clones". Also, why no Crucible?

Kuldotha Forgemaster is great but having to sacrifice 3 artifacts to it can be a demanding task. Not to mention when the plan backfires, you will just straight lose.

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I really felt the inconsistency from the past 3 events that I went to, especially last friday. It didn't matter what version of the deck I played. There was a game that I mulled to 4 and had a chalice at 1 2nd turn, got raped by hymn, and still won topdecking lands, Lodestone, and Tangle Wire FTW. That's about the best I felt.

As for curving lower, the only couple of things I can think of right now is Porcelain Legionnaire, Arcbound Ravager, Magus of the Moon, Moltensteel Dragon. Otherwise, I'm really close to the edge for the deck's inconsistency. I'd probably give MUD 2 to 3 more tries before giving up on it. I have my eyes set on either RUG or DnT.

Have you tried Coercive Portal or even Crystal Ball as a way to increase consistency?

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Have you tried Coercive Portal or even Crystal Ball as a way to increase consistency?

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Yes, 2 Portals.

MUD isn't my primary deck - I'm mostly assembling it because it seems like a good "loaner deck", so I'll cede to the wisdom of the MUD Experts here on this one as I have little experience in the matter: Has anyone considered running with Advice from the Fae?

The build I'm putting together runs a little more combo-y given the expected local meta, and I'm wondering if Advice from the Fae would be worth it to, instead of using Staff of Nin / Coercive Portal to draw 1 card a turn (two turns before it even really "replaces itself") just to go on a 5-card Dig Through Time? It seems like I want Card Quality a lot more than Card Advantage in this archetype.

I think Thirst for Knowledge beats Advice from the Fae.

Thirst for Knowledge requires Blue though, so, even if true, that only applies to Blue MUD decks, which is a pretty big sacrifice on the manabase

6 mana should get you more than 2 cards... If anything, I'd rather play Beseech the Queen so you can atleast get staff and combo out with metalworker

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Otherwise, I'm really close to the edge for the deck's inconsistency. I'd probably give MUD 2 to 3 more tries before giving up on it. I have my eyes set on either RUG or DnT.

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DnT shares the same inconsistency we have. The thing is that DnT is more efficient at doing what we do. Friend of mine has been playing DnT for 1,5 years and during last GP Lille he was done with it. We had some discussions about why and the conclusion was that it all depended on topdecking with zero library manipulation (finding 13 lands out of 20 cards, etc).

This deck is and will remain in my cardpool forever. I grew up with artifacts so i will never let it down, but after Lille i wont be playing this to much.

Lowering the manacurve is very good possible. Especially with a Goblin Welder build. Going staxlike with Tangle Wire and Smokestack. Also cutting the big dudes for more Batterskull, Wurmcoil, Crucible, Steel Hellkite, Daretti and even stuff like Voltaic Key and Sensei's Divining Top and put Chalice on the sideboard. Even Covetous Dragon, Moltensteel, Slash Panther become options. However running Ugin effectivly becomes harder in my experience.

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I really felt the inconsistency from the past 3 events that I went to, especially last friday. It didn't matter what version of the deck I played. There was a game that I mulled to 4 and had a chalice at 1 2nd turn, got raped by hymn, and still won topdecking lands, Lodestone, and Tangle Wire FTW. That's about the best I felt.

As for curving lower, the only couple of things I can think of right now is Porcelain Legionnaire, Arcbound Ravager, Magus of the Moon, Moltensteel Dragon. Otherwise, I'm really close to the edge for the deck's inconsistency. I'd probably give MUD 2 to 3 more tries before giving up on it. I have my eyes set on either RUG or DnT.

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Yes, the deck is still inconsistent but I think it's much better than in the past due to cloudpost entering. So yes still inconsistent but also very powerful.

Before GP Lille I played a more controlish version (see page 122) which is far more consistent, because bridges and ratchet bombs buy you time in combination with heavy card advantage.

I'm not sure which version to pursue for now, still testing.

On another note: I've tried and tried to make Winter Orb work since it can wreck any opponent but didn't succeed for now. The only way to make it work is to play lots of artifact mana so that the disadvantage is one-sided. I've tried Vedalken Certarch to keep pressuring the opponent but it's difficult to consequently keep this pressure on... :eyebrow:

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I really felt the inconsistency from the past 3 events that I went to, especially last friday. It didn't matter what version of the deck I played. There was a game that I mulled to 4 and had a chalice at 1 2nd turn, got raped by hymn, and still won topdecking lands, Lodestone, and Tangle Wire FTW. That's about the best I felt.

As for curving lower, the only couple of things I can think of right now is Porcelain Legionnaire, Arcbound Ravager, Magus of the Moon, Moltensteel Dragon. Otherwise, I'm really close to the edge for the deck's inconsistency. I'd probably give MUD 2 to 3 more tries before giving up on it. I have my eyes set on either RUG or DnT.

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I've been playing MUD for roughly 2 years now. Yes, MUD is a bit inconsistent, but if you want to play the most consistent decks, go play blue. MUD trades a bit of consistency for raw power level. The coercive portal and staff of nin that we have acquired over the past year have added alot of consistency back to the deck. Most of the time, card advantage translates directly to consistency. Plus, playing any deck without a bunch of card draw (i.e. Not blue decks with their bunch of draw), requires us to learn to mulligan better. It took alot of time to learn mulliganing.

Hey, Mud enthusiasts! I've been playing Mud for a while, so here's my two cent advice. The decks is really good when mana is set up in a way that we're able to play our spells correctly that they change the course of the game in our favor. I think the problem with this deck is learning how to keep the right opening hand because that can really make or break our game. I think down the stretch, we want to keep hands that have at least more than 4 lands in it because we're trying to play big spells in early turns like it was in Vintage. I don't think by playing more of a control route does us any favor because at most you can get out on 1 turn is 4 mana (ancient tomb, grim, grim or other varients), maybe even 5 if your play Lotus Petal in your deck. And, Crucible/Smokestack lock is kinda not good anymore in the meta with DRS and Lands around. I think how this deck should be approach is to keep a hand in which you can build enough mana for you to be able to cast your spells. Once our spells resolve, we're almost surely in favor because every spell above 3 is really good in our deck.

@Bobmans: Didn't know DnT had the same issue as us.

@Airwave: Nifty 1cc card.

@BlackHawkX9: I was looking back at your list and have a few questions: What would you have to take out to fit in 2x Thorn of Amethyst? When would you side in the extra Wurmcoil and Steel Hellkite?


Even when we have 24 (or even 25) lands, we can still end up with 1 lander openers (or unkeepable 2 landers), even after mulling. And for us to survive against a hand with Wasteland, we would need to be having 3 lands as turns come. It even becomes worse when you have City of Traitors and/or Vesuvas. I really want to increase the consistency without giving up too much of that raw power.

Background on my meta, I've been playing mostly against RUG, BUG, RUW Delvers, and Lands recently.

@(nameless one): Comic Connections Oakville started having Legacy FNMs @ 6pm.

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DnT shares the same inconsistency we have. The thing is that DnT is more efficient at doing what we do. Friend of mine has been playing DnT for 1,5 years and during last GP Lille he was done with it. We had some discussions about why and the conclusion was that it all depended on topdecking with zero library manipulation (finding 13 lands out of 20 cards, etc).

This deck is and will remain in my cardpool forever. I grew up with artifacts so i will never let it down, but after Lille i wont be playing this to much.

Lowering the manacurve is very good possible. Especially with a Goblin Welder build. Going staxlike with Tangle Wire and Smokestack. Also cutting the big dudes for more Batterskull, Wurmcoil, Crucible, Steel Hellkite, Daretti and even stuff like Voltaic Key and Sensei's Divining Top and put Chalice on the sideboard. Even Covetous Dragon, Moltensteel, Slash Panther become options. However running Ugin effectivly becomes harder in my experience.

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This is exactly the rationale that I used to create Godo Mud. Moltensteel Dragon and Batterskull / Godo over Wurmcoil were one of my ways to reduce the CC.

Ideally you'd like a low curve with good mana outlets for when you do have access to crazy mana.

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@Bobmans: Didn't know DnT had the same issue as us.

@Airwave: Nifty 1cc card.

@BlackHawkX9: I was looking back at your list and have a few questions: What would you have to take out to fit in 2x Thorn of Amethyst? When would you side in the extra Wurmcoil and Steel Hellkite?


Even when we have 24 (or even 25) lands, we can still end up with 1 lander openers (or unkeepable 2 landers), even after mulling. And for us to survive against a hand with Wasteland, we would need to be having 3 lands as turns come. It even becomes worse when you have City of Traitors and/or Vesuvas. I really want to increase the consistency without giving up too much of that raw power.

Background on my meta, I've been playing mostly against RUG, BUG, RUW Delvers, and Lands recently.

@(nameless one): Comic Connections Oakville started having Legacy FNMs @ 6pm.

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I made a few modifications since my last list. (Main: -1 sundering titan, +1 platinum emperion, -1 Trinisphere, +1 staff of nin. Board: +1 trinisphere, +2 thorn of amethyst, -1 graffdigger's cage, -1 Emrakul, the Aeons torn, -1 Steel hellkite)

New list.
1 Blightsteel colossus, 4 kuldotha forgemaster, 4 lodestone golem, 4 metalworker, 1 steel hellkite, 1 sundering titan, 1 platinum emperion, 3 wurmcoil engine, 4 chalice of the void, 4 grim monolith, 3 trinisphere, 1 coercive portal, 1 staff of nin, 1 lightning greaves, 1 spine of ish sah, 1 staff of domination, 1 ugin the spirit dragon, 4 ancient tomb, 4 cloudpost, 4 glimmerpost, 3 cavern of souls, 3 city of traitors, 3 wasteland, 3 vesuva. Board: 1 coercive portal, 1 crucible of worlds, 2 pithing needle, 1 spine of ish sah, 2 tormod's crypt, 2 phyrexian revoker, 1 wurmcoil engine, 1 ugin the spirit dragon, 1 wasteland, 2 thorn of amethyst, 1 trinisphere.

The 2nd steel hellkite was in the board for dealing with young pyromancer style decks, but i realized ugin does a way better job doing that, so the platinum emperion and the 4th wurmcoil allow me to to live longer against quick aggressive aggro and heavy burn, and even can take over the games by themselves. I added the staff of nin to the main, because i love the card draw from the coercive portals, but still missed the staff of nin ping for those pesky creatures (young pyro, vendilian clique, snap caster, all of DnT's creatures). I removed the emrakul from my board because it was only there for the older slower show and tells that would freaquently SnT fatty, pass turn, and for cute sneak in's on reanimater's SnT's or for painter. So, decks that are too scarcely seen to be worth the slots.

What are the worst matchups for MUD and why?

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What are the worst matchups for MUD and why?

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In my experience, I would say elves is hands down our worst matchup, because of their ability to get reclamation sage so consistently and recur it over and over. I had an elves player break through 6 lock pieces of mine, then combo off.

Reanimater is weird, with all their counterspells, discard, and equal ability to quickly drop a huge threat early.
Dredge is weird, mainly because of their lack of needed spells. Dredge can still thrive with just ichorid and bridge tokens.

Omni-tell is rough too, they just have so many answers to everything. The key to standing a chance in this match is slamming as many lock pieces until you break through the wall of counterspells. Trinisphere is usually the most important of our lock pieces in this match. And if we can land a chalice on 3, they are done.

RUG is a bit rough if you can't land a chalice for 1, so so much aggression with hate for lands, dudes, and spells all at once.

The new RG lands deck is a weird match in their favor, but I've found that if you hold a wasteland back to stop their depths kill, and chalice for 2 instead of 1, it puts them in such a bad place that you could even kill them with metalworker beat down.


I find BUG, DnT, stoneblade, most tempo style decks, and all the delver decks to be around 50/50, maybe slightly 60/40 or 40/60 depending on the random modifications. That's one of the reasons mud is so good, we hold a good chance against the majority of top tier decks, while absolutely crushing miracles. I think I have like a 90%+ winrate vs miracles.

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I made a few modifications since my last list. (Main: -1 sundering titan, +1 platinum emperion, -1 Trinisphere, +1 staff of nin. Board: +1 trinisphere, +2 thorn of amethyst, -1 graffdigger's cage, -1 Emrakul, the Aeons torn, -1 Steel hellkite)

New list.
1 Blightsteel colossus, 4 kuldotha forgemaster, 4 lodestone golem, 4 metalworker, 1 steel hellkite, 1 sundering titan, 1 platinum emperion, 3 wurmcoil engine, 4 chalice of the void, 4 grim monolith, 3 trinisphere, 1 coercive portal, 1 staff of nin, 1 lightning greaves, 1 spine of ish sah, 1 staff of domination, 1 ugin the spirit dragon, 4 ancient tomb, 4 cloudpost, 4 glimmerpost, 3 cavern of souls, 3 city of traitors, 3 wasteland, 3 vesuva. Board: 1 coercive portal, 1 crucible of worlds, 2 pithing needle, 1 spine of ish sah, 2 tormod's crypt, 2 phyrexian revoker, 1 wurmcoil engine, 1 ugin the spirit dragon, 1 wasteland, 2 thorn of amethyst, 1 trinisphere.

The 2nd steel hellkite was in the board for dealing with young pyromancer style decks, but i realized ugin does a way better job doing that, so the platinum emperion and the 4th wurmcoil allow me to to live longer against quick aggressive aggro and heavy burn, and even can take over the games by themselves. I added the staff of nin to the main, because i love the card draw from the coercive portals, but still missed the staff of nin ping for those pesky creatures (young pyro, vendilian clique, snap caster, all of DnT's creatures). I removed the emrakul from my board because it was only there for the older slower show and tells that would freaquently SnT fatty, pass turn, and for cute sneak in's on reanimater's SnT's or for painter. So, decks that are too scarcely seen to be worth the slots.

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Thanks for the updated SB list and answers.