[Primer] Elves!

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Originally Posted by LeoCop 90

Just to come up with a new idea, what about Edric, Spymaster of Trest as a one of in lists already splashing blue for swan song ?
It would be a nice alternative way to refill your hand when all you have is a bunch of dudes on the battlefield, instead of assembling the best friend team. I know he isn't needed, but i think he wouldn't be worse than an ezuri or a lord. (or maybe i just want to give him a shot since he's banned in 1vs1 commander)

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I had actually given him a shot while I was running Swan Song because he seems awesome on Paper, allowing you to all-in and just bounce whichever Elf he blocks.

For some reason though, he hardly ever really worked for me. One of the reasons was that BFT draws +2 cards each turn all on ther own without having to make attacks and being way more synergistic with the rest of your deck as both cards are very good on their own. Also didn't like the increased manacost.

By the way guys... :wink:

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Originally Posted by Julian23;793482By the way guys... :wink:
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Your sister is never going to believe that that silly card game has turned you into a celebrity who gives autographs.

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Legacy DE + GP Paris storytime :cool:

Im kind of new to this deck and wanted some insight into my board, im running the standard 61 card MD cutting ruric for ooze as locally my meta has more graveyard decks then storm. Basicly what im after is if swan song is still the place to be and if it is then what to cut for a null rod. This is what I have so far,

3 abupt decay
2 pithing needle
3 cabal therapy
2 thoughtseize
1 natural order
1 ruric thar
1 progenitus
2 swan song

any help would be appreciated.

thanx

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Originally Posted by D@N

Im kind of new to this deck and wanted some insight into my board, im running the standard 61 card MD cutting ruric for ooze as locally my meta has more graveyard decks then storm. Basicly what im after is if swan song is still the place to be and if it is then what to cut for a null rod. This is what I have so far,

3 abupt decay
2 pithing needle
3 cabal therapy
2 thoughtseize
1 natural order
1 ruric thar
1 progenitus
2 swan song

any help would be appreciated.

thanx

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If you want to run Ruric, Swan Song and Ooze, I'd run (and do run) this atm:

4 Nettle Sentinel
3 Heritage Druid
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Birchlore Rangers
1 Llanowar Elves

4 Elvish Visionary
4 Wirewood Symbiote
4 Quirion Ranger

4 Glimpse of Nature
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Natural Order
2 Craterhoof Behemoth / 1 Behemoth, 1 Regal Force
1 Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
1 Viridian Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze

4 Gaea's Cradle
2 Dryad Arbor
2 Bayou
2 Forest
1 Tropical Island
9 green fetchlands

Sideboard:
3 Swan Song
3 Thoughtseize
1 Progenitus
1 Natural Order
2 Pithing Needle
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Null Rod
1 Cabal Therapy

Really Ive found that cabal having the flashback ability much better then picking one card for the 2 life. Maybe its just my good luck with therapy being able to name cards that could be devastating to us early but thoughtseize just seems under whelming or just cant do enough. Also Ive never had ruric do a whole lot of damage before a sneak/tes player can just bounce him and keep going so Im wondering if hes even worth keeping.

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Originally Posted by D@N

Really Ive found that cabal having the flashback ability much better then picking one card for the 2 life. Maybe its just my good luck with therapy being able to name cards that could be devastating to us early but thoughtseize just seems under whelming or just cant do enough. Also Ive never had ruric do a whole lot of damage before a sneak/tes player can just bounce him and keep going so Im wondering if hes even worth keeping.

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Ruric also cuts the wind from the sails of Storm. Yes you can bounce him, but now you have to find that answer. You have to take an additional measure before you can win. That is an important thing to remember.

Also, even if they already have the bounce spell, that's 6 damage. More than likely, though, they won't and it'll deal 12 damage before they simply scoop.

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Hmm, it's must just be my bad luck then. Also I tried looking through this topic and the tattoo thread on the mish mash board and am wondering where the pictures of the guy that got deathrite shaman and GSz tattood on his leg.

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Originally Posted by D@N

Really Ive found that cabal having the flashback ability much better then picking one card for the 2 life. Maybe its just my good luck with therapy being able to name cards that could be devastating to us early but thoughtseize just seems under whelming or just cant do enough. Also Ive never had ruric do a whole lot of damage before a sneak/tes player can just bounce him and keep going so Im wondering if hes even worth keeping.

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To my mind cabal is better than thoughtseize in the combo MU (storm/S&S), but do nothing in other MUs, while thoughtseize could be interesting. I do like a split, and even in combo MU, thoughtseize is a better T1 play while cabal is better T2 or later.

On the Ruric point, he's not so good in the S&S MU, which seems logical: they only need to resolve one spell to win and you do not want to put him off a show (except to give 7 life to your opponent). He could still prevent them to find their combo pieces with cantrips.

On the storm MU, either ANT or TES would have to find the bounce very quickly and will still lose 6-12 life, preventing them from Ad Nauseam (if they succeed to bounce Ruric).

GP Paris was my second tournament playing Elves with four Cradles. I went 3-6 in the main event, and 2-4 during the Sunday tournament (congratulations Julian). I had sleeves with Edgar Allan Poe's "The Raven", which caught the eyes of many people around me (just pointing this out in case people recognize who I am).

I would love nothing more than to blame my losses on the many bad opening hands and even worse draws, but each of my losses had at least one play that would have at least been better, if not won me the game. I've played Elves with just two Cradles since October and I've gotten pretty good at gold-fishing the combo on turn three regularly. My issue seems to come when I have to deal with multiple interactions. One or two removal/counterspells don't tend to stop me on decent draws, but fighting through, what seems like non-stop, continuous hate has been an issue.

Since my awesome wife did the amazing in buying me the last two Cradles I needed to complete the deck, I'm determined to work through my bad play. My question for the group is: how aggressive are you typically in trying to combo off? In what situations do you hold back cards? Do you have any tips for a person that has the combo math and triggers decently figured out?

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Originally Posted by Julian23

R6: Dragon Stompy, 2-1

Wanted to draw the 6th round but my opponent was kinda grumpy and told me "No. I'm 100% sure I will win this match." ... *slowclap*

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This guy wrote a short report in the dragon stompy thread :)

Anyway I think i would have want to play too if i reached the finals of a legacy event with dragon stompy. It doesn't happen very often, and in the end elves is a good matchup for them (chalice,trinisphere,blood moon main + mass removal between main and side).
But of course i'm never so arrogant to say that i'm 100% sure to win the match.

Hey all:

How do we deal with decks out of the 43 Lands family? I'm playing in a tourney next weekend near a buddy of mine's house and my understanding is that a couple of players there may be hot on Lands. Obviously, I can't ignore the other possibilities, but as I don't have much experience against Lands, I'm needing a little advice.

LoR

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Originally Posted by Mono-Green

My question for the group is: how aggressive are you typically in trying to combo off? In what situations do you hold back cards? Do you have any tips for a person that has the combo math and triggers decently figured out?

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It all depends on the MU and how the match goes.

When facing anything playing blue, try to draw a couple of counters before trying to Glimpse (if your hand still allows for a nice Glimpse chain after getting a couple of dudes countered). Or, when you have a way of assembling your BFF-team and you're not facing Storm-ish decks, try to draw one of their counters with a T2 Glimpse so they might be out of counters by the time you assemble the BFF's. Also, when an opponent playing counters stops thinking about every play you make and starts saying "Sure, go" to every play you make, it's often a sign they're out of ways to interact with you at that specific time, making it safe to Glimpse/NO as well.

When facing anything not playing blue, as soon as they're tapped out it's safe to Glimpse. Also, it's often better to Glimpse on turn 2 rather then wait for turn 3. If they keep some of their mana untapped, try to get a feel as to why they might be doing that. If you feel you can safely Glimpse (i.e. the succes of your Glimpse isn't depending on one specific creature to stay on the battlefield) unless they whipe your entire board, you're probably good to go.

The most important thing about Elves! is either overwhelming your opponent or, more importantly, keeping your opponent convinced you'll go ape on their ass as soon as they make the slightest mistake. The NO-build of Elves! is pretty much a bad beatdown deck that can explode any second. Keeping your opponent convinced that you in fact CAN explode any second often gives you the time to actually do so in longer matches (i.e. finally resolving that NO for the Hoof the turn before your opponent kills you).

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Originally Posted by Lord_of_Rivendell

Hey all:

How do we deal with decks out of the 43 Lands family? I'm playing in a tourney next weekend near a buddy of mine's house and my understanding is that a couple of players there may be hot on Lands. Obviously, I can't ignore the other possibilities, but as I don't have much experience against Lands, I'm needing a little advice.

LoR

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I have two lands decks local, they are not great fun, but they tend to be slower than me by a long way. Grave hate is what you need followed by Realm Razer if you really fear the match.

Won a 40 people local event today, got a tropical island and a from the vault jace.
I only lost to jund because he played toxic deluge both in game 2 and 3, which also killed my progenitus. Now i am a bit scared to go all in on the progenitus plan against jund and bug, because deluge and perish can always be waiting. I would feel more confident with a worldspine wurm in side, but i already play progenitus and ruric there so slots are tight... and for my meta ruric main deck is not good.

Best moment of the day was when my opponent played stoneforge and fetched Shuko. I didn't know what was going on and i lost some turns later to cephalid illusionist (also because i had both behemoths in hand with no way to cast them). I then proceeded to stomp him in games 2 and 3 :)

Yesterday i played a coat of arms though opponents show an tell, played alpt off elves atttacked with a huge army. U should seen the opponents faceexpresion, he said no one playes CoA.... It work very well in the jund matchup aswell. I know its expensive but it works against sweepers.


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Originally Posted by D@N

Hmm, it's must just be my bad luck then. Also I tried looking through this topic and the tattoo thread on the mish mash board and am wondering where the pictures of the guy that got deathrite shaman and GSz tattood on his leg.

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Shouldn't be burried too deep in this thread. It was my Bro, Kayradis

The pics are somewhere on this thread.
Getting more done on Monday.

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Originally Posted by Lemnear

Shouldn't be burried too deep in this thread. It was my Bro, Kayradis

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