Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes
Hey y'all ;)
This is my second time, I'm sleeving up this deck (Had financial problems, damn that to hell, since I was having a blast with it) But my main looks like this:
Lands:
4x Rishadan Port
4x Wasteland
2x Cavern of Souls
3x Karakas
10x Plains
Creatures:
2x Mangara of Corondor
4x Mother of Runes
4x Phyrexian Revoker
4x Stoneforge Mystic
3x Mirran Crusader
4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3x Flickerwisp
2x Aven Mindcensor
1x Fiend Hunter
Other spells:
1x Batterskull
1x Umezawa's Jitte
4x Swords to Plowshares
4x Aether Vial
Sideboard:
1x Pithing Needle
2x Oblivion Ring
1x Umezawa's Jitte
2x Ethersworn Canonist
2x Gut Shot
2x Wilf-Leaf Liege
1x Leonin Relic-Warder
1x Relic of Progenitus
1x Thorn of Amethyst
2x Rest in Peace
I took it to our local tourney last tuesday, and since it's been a while, I was kinda rusty, but never the less did I manage to win against 12-post and being 1-2 turns from winning over another 12-post deck..
But the sideboarding tech... That sucks.. The MB is so strong against nearly all other decks, that I'm having trouble, deciding what to take out :P Any help guys? :)
Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes
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Originally Posted by
phoenix4
Hey y'all ;)
This is my second time, I'm sleeving up this deck (Had financial problems, damn that to hell, since I was having a blast with it) But my main looks like this:
Lands:
4x Rishadan Port
4x Wasteland
2x Cavern of Souls
3x Karakas
10x Plains
Creatures:
2x Mangara of Corondor
4x Mother of Runes
4x Phyrexian Revoker
4x Stoneforge Mystic
3x Mirran Crusader
4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3x Flickerwisp
2x Aven Mindcensor
1x Fiend Hunter
Other spells:
1x Batterskull
1x Umezawa's Jitte
4x Swords to Plowshares
4x Aether Vial
Sideboard:
1x Pithing Needle
2x Oblivion Ring
1x Umezawa's Jitte
2x Ethersworn Canonist
2x Gut Shot
2x Wilf-Leaf Liege
1x Leonin Relic-Warder
1x Relic of Progenitus
1x Thorn of Amethyst
2x Rest in Peace
I took it to our local tourney last tuesday, and since it's been a while, I was kinda rusty, but never the less did I manage to win against 12-post and being 1-2 turns from winning over another 12-post deck..
But the sideboarding tech... That sucks.. The MB is so strong against nearly all other decks, that I'm having trouble, deciding what to take out :P Any help guys? :)
Are you having trouble against 12 post or decks in general?
Against 12 post I would board in the Needle, Relic Warder, Thorn and 2 Orings board out like 2 STP 1 Fiend Hunter, 1 Jitte, 1 Stoneforge or something like that. Actually mother of ruins is probably pretty bad too. Maybe cut them for Cannonists and Wilt Leaf lieges too.
Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes
Yes. Mother of Runes is weak against 12 Post. Cataclysm and Aven Mindcensor are probably the strongest tools we have against that deck.
Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes
Wow, deck to beat, I did not see that coming. Congrats Death and Taxes, that is awesome!
Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes
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Originally Posted by
feline
Wow, deck to beat, I did not see that coming. Congrats Death and Taxes, that is awesome!
I've been stalking this forum for weeks to see this. Even better, Blade Control is not a deck to beat for 1 month for the first time in years.
It's sad to see the deck grow up. I haven only been with it for 9 months, but I am very sad to see it become mainstream, especially when I see bad players playing the deck with mindcensor in it.
Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes
I suppose that my favorite Legacy deck is a DTB! That's pretty cool... Weird, I've now played a deck that is in this section... That'll take some getting used to!
Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes
Congratulations Finn. Another DTB!
Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes
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Originally Posted by
dave8
You think that mindcensor does not belong to this deck?
Correct. Maverick can play it, we cannot.
Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes
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Originally Posted by
dave8
why?
Manabases are greedy enough that whatever fetchland your opponent uses, will hit a land within the top 4 cards. Deathrite shaman fixes mana well enough, that your turn 3 aven mindcensor means nothing.
Maverick can play this thing on turn 2, if it's on the play. It's slightly better there, but I don't think it warrants running at all.
In a format where nobody runs basics, Mindcensor proves to be inneffective, contrary to popular belief. If you really some hate for fetchlands, don't play this deck. If you want some hate for dual lands, then play this deck.
Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes
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Originally Posted by
dave8
Yes I see your point but he has some other pros.
He stops cards like Infernal Tutor, Green Sun's Zenith or Natural Order etc.
Yes, because those aren't coming down a turn earlier. Also, infernal tutor comes in WAYYYYYYY before mindcensor (out of TES). GSZ is legitimate, but they run a lot of creatures, so don't go expecting this card to miss anytime soon (but I do agree, it's at its best here).
natural order:
turn 1: Elf
Turn 2: 3 more elves
turn 3 NO-PRO or craterhoof, I win.
The best part about playing against elves is that they side abrupt decays against us, so then we are reallllly screwed.
Whenever I see a player maindeck mindcensor, I die a little-bit inside.
Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes
Congrats on making DTB. Expect more hate now!
Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes
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Originally Posted by
monovfox
I've been stalking this forum for weeks to see this. Even better, Blade Control is not a deck to beat for 1 month for the first time in years.
It's sad to see the deck grow up. I haven only been with it for 9 months, but I am very sad to see it become mainstream, especially when I see bad players playing the deck with mindcensor in it.
The GP Strasbourg winner was such a terrible player...
Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes
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Originally Posted by
monovfox
I've been stalking this forum for weeks to see this. Even better, Blade Control is not a deck to beat for 1 month for the first time in years.
It's sad to see the deck grow up. I haven only been with it for 9 months, but I am very sad to see it become mainstream, especially when I see bad players playing the deck with mindcensor in it.
I know you are being wistfully romantic but have to disagree with this.
1. Lack of popularity is not a proxy for exclusivity. Or at least it is a very poor substitute. If the deck becomes mainstream it is the result of the hard work that you and others have put into making the deck good. It is a compliment if others want to play it and a validation of your's and my belief in the strength of the deck. Then again, let's high five when this has haunted the DTB forum for a number of months. I can't help but wonder if the deck exists as a response to the legacy meta and should that meta become more aware/prepared then DnT becomes a glass canon! Only time will tell.
2, Aven Mindcensor occupies what is widely viewed as the top two open slots. It is a consensus decision that leads to it occupying these but that does not make it a must. In addition to the tutor impact (which isn't relevant to all decks), it flies and with the removal of Serra Avenger for Mirran Crusader this is also important. New players can hardly be blamed for either being unaware of the subtle debate or lacking the confidence to make variations (the DTB has Mindcensors in it), they have enough to deal with with the intricacies of the deck!
Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes
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Originally Posted by
TiMeWaLk
The GP Strasbourg winner was such a terrible player...
Is that sarcasm I hear?
I don't trust pros when it comes to MY deck (well most pros). Enevoldsen and I play the deck differently. The only "pro" I trust is From Cairo (Ben Nash). I toyed with mindcensor, but ultimately found it irrelevant/lacking in what the deck needed. The deck needs the 4th flickerwisp in a metagame full of shenanigans (*cough* Abrupt Decay + Deathrite *Cough*) to protect our vials and the such. The deck also needs a card that screams "fuck you" to every Tarmogoyf Llover and their mother, hence why I maindecked a singleton rest in peace. These cards have done more for me than any number of aven mindcensors combined.
And to be frank, I've been told on multiple occasions that I play about at the same level as he does.
Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes
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Originally Posted by
monovfox
It's sad to see the deck grow up. I haven only been with it for 9 months, but I am very sad to see it become mainstream, especially when I see bad players playing the deck with mindcensor in it.
What's wrong with Mindcensor?
Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes
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Originally Posted by
lordofthepit
What's wrong with Mindcensor?
I refer you to the posts above.
Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes
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Originally Posted by
monovfox
I don't trust pros when it comes to MY deck (well most pros). Enevoldsen and I play the deck differently. The only "pro" I trust is From Cairo (Ben Nash). I toyed with mindcensor, but ultimately found it irrelevant/lacking in what the deck needed. The deck needs the 4th flickerwisp in a metagame full of shenanigans (*cough* Abrupt Decay + Deathrite *Cough*) to protect our vials and the such. The deck also needs a card that screams "fuck you" to every Tarmogoyf Llover and their mother, hence why I maindecked a singleton rest in peace. These cards have done more for me than any number of aven mindcensors combined.
And to be frank, I've been told on multiple occasions that I play about at the same level as he does.
Pretty sure that from Cairo runs Aven Mindcensor.
And I highly doubt you play anywhere near as well as Enevoldsen. I don't mean this as an insult.
