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Sorry to make 2 pages on this from my omni question since needed help with deck. With omni show...he plays SnT. He lays omni and I lay glimmer, bog or titan. He has priority since active player and no EBT but I have EBT. He can only play instants before my trigger or respond to my trigger on the stack. So he can play something from sneak attack since he has priority if free red mana. If not my trigger would be on stack next so priority passes to me. I then can leave it on the stack and cast grip on a target of my choice. Is this correct?

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Originally Posted by Skriger

First off, decent list!
Second, 6 fetches with 5 targets. Really need that much shuffling? Does it seem to help you more than take away from a useable land slot?

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I was trying to make deck more consistent and with taking the maps out increasing my shuffling effects. May go to 5...then add in 4th trop or take the neph from SB and play MB. Maybe 1 too many...Once in all the games had a delta and no target...so down to 5 where it needs to be. My issues before were not getting the colored mana...its more important than colorless for deck. Gonna try it with 5, won't go any lower than that.

I personally don't see how it's possible to get on without Maps, I find them essential for tutoring up exactly Cavern of Souls for Prime Time. It's got other uses, sure, but this is the one I can't live without.

Isn't this common sequence appealing?
T1: colored source, cast whatever 1 mana thing
T2: Cloudpost, pass with Crop Rotation up against Wasteland or Top mana or whatever
T3: Cloudpost, Map + crack it for Cavern of Souls
T4: uncounterable Titan
T5: Profit

It seems like every Tom, Dick, and Harry is trying to race me with something while holding up Force/Daze for my Titan... I'd often lose to this line if not for Cavern.

Also, sneaking a T1 Map under Counterbalance is almost GG vs Miracles. Outside of crazy Mentor nut draws, pretty the only times I've ever lost to Miracles is from flooding out. T1 Map means guaranteed Eye of Ugin, which means a win 95% of the time.


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Originally Posted by maCHOOga

I was contemplating with Grapples this week. How many were you playing? I think I could easily support two. My two flex slots currently have 1 Courser of Kruphix* and 1 Candelbra.
*I'm still not 100% sure how easily I can support "GG" with the manabase.

Running two could make for an easy swap in/out my two sideboard rest in peace.

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Grapple was a 4 of in this list and honestly she loved it every time she cast it. She actually attacked into lands with Marit Lage which blocked killing emrakul. Wiped most of the board and used grapple in response to shuffle trigger to return emrakul and recast resulting in a concession. So far grapple has more than produced. The fact that it can also fizzle a surgical extraction on cloudpost or fizzle a deathrite activation can be relevant. There will be more testing this Saturday in the legacy side event at gp montreal. I will update on how it goes.

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Originally Posted by Lormador

I personally don't see how it's possible to get on without Maps, I find them essential for tutoring up exactly Cavern of Souls for Prime Time. It's got other uses, sure, but this is the one I can't live without.

Isn't this common sequence appealing?
T1: colored source, cast whatever 1 mana thing
T2: Cloudpost, pass with Crop Rotation up against Wasteland or Top mana or whatever
T3: Cloudpost, Map + crack it for Cavern of Souls
T4: uncounterable Titan
T5: Profit

It seems like every Tom, Dick, and Harry is trying to race me with something while holding up Force/Daze for my Titan... I'd often lose to this line if not for Cavern.

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What about the part where they waste you on turn 3? Can't we just Crop for Cavern? Expedition map is good, but it's a crutch

I'm going to have to agree about keeping Map. Without a decent Land tutor, relying on only 4 Crops to carry your hand is not a good choice in my book. This deck relies too much on the utilitarian purposes of its' lands and removing the ability to pull such lands really hurts the deck more than anything. Especially in the U/G build. Mono G can run other pieces to digs up lands but not really the case with U/G builds which rely on brainstorm/fetch/Top routine to keep things in order.

A while back when we were playing with the Terminus idea in a Bant build (which still I enjoy). I was contemplating using Enlightened Tutor over Trinket Mage. This allowed me to top deck Platinum Emperion or leylines if I didn't get them in the draw and if I did not have Eye of Ugin to tutor. Throwing 2-4 Enlightened Tutors into a build feels interesting to me, gives you shuffling to re-organize on top of fetches works well with brainstorm and top, allows you to pull a lot of other pieces like Needle or a map to speed things along. Only issue is top decking and not to hand, unless you have a top on the board.

Here is the list i'm thinking of:

- LAND (25)
1x Cavern of Souls
4x Cloudpost
1x Eye of Ugin
1x Forest
4x Glimmerpost
1x Island
1x Karakas
2x Misty Rainforest
1x Plains
1x Savannah
3x Tropical Island
1x Tundra
2x Vesuva
2x Windswept Heath

- Artifact (10)
1x Candelabra of Tawnos
3x Expedition Map
2x Pithing Needle
4x Sensei's Divining Top

- Creature (7)
1x Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4x Primeval Titan
1x Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1x World Breaker

- Instant (12)
4x Brainstorm
4x Crop Rotation
2x Warping Wail
2x Enlightened Tutor

- Sorcery (6)
3x Show and Tell
3x Terminus


- Sideboard (15)
1x Bojuka Bog
3x Leyline of Sanctity
1x Platinum Emperion
1x Show and Tell
3x Flusterstorm
1x Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
4x Surgical Extraction
1x Ugin, the Spirit Dragon

I have some thoughts on different sideboard options for my build:

1. I played 3 Leyline of Sanctity for a while now. They are great against Storm, probably the best Sideboard card for this matchup alone. Otherwise they are good against Burn and some fringe combo decks, but against the discard decks where i originally wanted them as additional defense i stopped boarding them in, because they are really bad topdecks. And against other more common combo decks they don't do anything. So i'm looking for alternatives that are decent against Storm and have some other applications.

Mindbreak Trap seems to have the same problem, good against Storm, but not that many other applications. I'd rather keep the Leylines.
Sphere of Resistance seems to have the most applications, against every combo deck and probably also against Delver. But i'm sceptical if it's good enough, i don't like tapping out even on Turn 2 against most combo decks. Still, it's probably a decent option.
Thoughtseize. I always dismissed that option with my very light black splash, but with some juggling around i could get to up to 10 untapped black mana sources. This is probably good against every combo deck, tapping out on Turn 1 is also fine. The only issue is the mana. I could play it with just 9 black untapped sources, but i think that's not enough. To get to 10 sources i have to cut the Veteran Explorer and replace one Forest with a 2nd Bayou (and i also have to play 3 Mox Diamonds, but i wasn't happy with just 2 anyway, to cut the third one was a mistake) - that could be fine, Explorer gets boarded out a lot, but it is a cost.

For now i'm trying out the Thoughtseize, so far the mana wasn't an issue, and i haven't really missed the Explorer either.

2. Against Delver, i'm playing with the idea try to go for mana denial a little more. Elephant Grass is ok, i tested that before, it has just the weakness that it's really bad against Chalice, and so pretty useless against Eldrazi. I'm playing white, so is Ghostly Prison a viable option? I'm trying this now, but i'm sceptical. Has anybody with a white splash ever tested that card?
Also, going with the mana denial, Choke is another option against Delver that's probably good against Miracles too.
I'm pretty sure if i wasn't playing on xmage, but on Magic Online instead, i would put at least 1 Choke in the board. On xmage the meta is different, and i don't think there are many other decks where i want Choke, but i still want to test it and see how good it really is against those decks. (Limited testing so far: Whenever i put it into play, it won me the game almost immediately.)

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Originally Posted by Leshrac82

I have some thoughts on different sideboard options for my build:

1. I played 3 Leyline of Sanctity for a while now. They are great against Storm, probably the best Sideboard card for this matchup alone. Otherwise they are good against Burn and some fringe combo decks, but against the discard decks where i originally wanted them as additional defense i stopped boarding them in, because they are really bad topdecks. And against other more common combo decks they don't do anything. So i'm looking for alternatives that are decent against Storm and have some other applications.

Mindbreak Trap seems to have the same problem, good against Storm, but not that many other applications. I'd rather keep the Leylines.
Sphere of Resistance seems to have the most applications, against every combo deck and probably also against Delver. But i'm sceptical if it's good enough, i don't like tapping out even on Turn 2 against most combo decks. Still, it's probably a decent option.
Thoughtseize. I always dismissed that option with my very light black splash, but with some juggling around i could get to up to 10 untapped black mana sources. This is probably good against every combo deck, tapping out on Turn 1 is also fine. The only issue is the mana. I could play it with just 9 black untapped sources, but i think that's not enough. To get to 10 sources i have to cut the Veteran Explorer and replace one Forest with a 2nd Bayou (and i also have to play 3 Mox Diamonds, but i wasn't happy with just 2 anyway, to cut the third one was a mistake) - that could be fine, Explorer gets boarded out a lot, but it is a cost.

For now i'm trying out the Thoughtseize, so far the mana wasn't an issue, and i haven't really missed the Explorer either.

2. Against Delver, i'm playing with the idea try to go for mana denial a little more. Elephant Grass is ok, i tested that before, it has just the weakness that it's really bad against Chalice, and so pretty useless against Eldrazi. I'm playing white, so is Ghostly Prison a viable option? I'm trying this now, but i'm sceptical. Has anybody with a white splash ever tested that card?
Also, going with the mana denial, Choke is another option against Delver that's probably good against Miracles too.
I'm pretty sure if i wasn't playing on xmage, but on Magic Online instead, i would put at least 1 Choke in the board. On xmage the meta is different, and i don't think there are many other decks where i want Choke, but i still want to test it and see how good it really is against those decks. (Limited testing so far: Whenever i put it into play, it won me the game almost immediately.)

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I think you shouldn't play ghostly prison, which is probably too little too late. For just a single mana more you have moat which does way more. The problem with hosing cards that drop after turn one/two is that it's most likely to be removed by thought knot seer. To me at least, eldrazi is a real beating...

About leyline, I just love it. It is a terrible top deck, but I feel it hoses several decks so much is worth it. Combined with surgical extraction, crop Rotation and bojuka Bog you really can fight quite a few Combo decks. I have included a third mox to, I kind of sort of acts like your brainstorm. It fixes hands by exchanging the lands you need late game for early game mana.

On another note, I learned that against decks that could possibly board in an ensnaring bridge you should never take out Ulamog... Got surprise wrecked in game 3 against burn...

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Originally Posted by Leshrac82

Sphere of Resistance seems to have the most applications, against every combo deck and probably also against Delver. But i'm sceptical if it's good enough, i don't like tapping out even on Turn 2 against most combo decks. Still, it's probably a decent option.

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I've been playing 4x Spheres for a while. It's a must-answer for so many combo decks. Tapping out T2 is usually fine because Sphere should prevent them from going off the next turn anyway. It's also especially good to drop off of S&T vs Omni. It's also very good at slowing down Elves and Burn to give you a chance to stabilize. It's not terrible vs Infect either, as it can prevent them from going too crazy with pump spells, although it rarely buys you more than an extra turn or two.

It's not actually that great vs most Delver (3Sphere is much better there). It's decent vs more Pyro-centric builds, but just a speed bump.

In Cg at least, it's indispensable to fight combo, as our only other tools are Wail and Crop. It seems like it'd be strong in Gw too, especially if you can curve with Enlightened Tutor for it on T1.

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Originally Posted by Hencules

I think you shouldn't play ghostly prison, which is probably too little too late. For just a single mana more you have moat which does way more. The problem with hosing cards that drop after turn one/two is that it's most likely to be removed by thought knot seer. To me at least, eldrazi is a real beating...

About leyline, I just love it. It is a terrible top deck, but I feel it hoses several decks so much is worth it. Combined with surgical extraction, crop Rotation and bojuka Bog you really can fight quite a few Combo decks. I have included a third mox to, I kind of sort of acts like your brainstorm. It fixes hands by exchanging the lands you need late game for early game mana.

On another note, I learned that against decks that could possibly board in an ensnaring bridge you should never take out Ulamog... Got surprise wrecked in game 3 against burn...

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Yes, i can see the problem with Ghostly Prison. It did some work yesterday, but other options are probably better.

I think Eldrazi is generally a solid matchup. Some draws are hard to beat, but most of the time i can stabilize at some point. Ensnaring Bridge is the best sideboard card for that matchup - the risk with Thought-Knot remains, but otherwise most lists don't have a very efficient answer. This is usually the best matchup for Veteran Explorer, so cutting it might be a problem here. In the last few days i encountered a lot more Eldrazi lists splashing white for Displacer. That card is a problem, usually i can stop their offense with a Knight or Tracker to block, that doesn't work against that - it also shuts down the option to win with Marit Lage and makes Titania a lot worse, you basically have to go for your own Eldrazi to beat this.

I am happy with Leyline in the matchups where it comes in, but there are a lot of combo decks where it's just useless, that's why i'm thinking about something that's good in more matchups. It does nothing against Show&Tell, Reanimator, Infect, Elves and many more combo decks. Elves is a very good matchup imo, for Reanimator we have enough tools too, but against Show&Tell and Infect i wouldn't mind some more sideboard cards.
Right now i wouldn't recommend anything else over Leyline, but i still want to see how good the other options are, in the matchups where Leyline does nothing and in the matchups where Leyline is good.

The 3rd Mox seems to be necessary - i played it for the most time, and cutting it was clearly a mistake.

Against Burn i board in RecSage and Krosan Grip, that can deal with a Bridge and otherwise there are some other targets (Eidolon, Sulfuric Vortex). I'm not sure if Ulamog would be the best option here, you probably don't get the time to go for that.

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Originally Posted by TheBoozeCube

I've been playing 4x Spheres for a while. It's a must-answer for so many combo decks. Tapping out T2 is usually fine because Sphere should prevent them from going off the next turn anyway. It's also especially good to drop off of S&T vs Omni. It's also very good at slowing down Elves and Burn to give you a chance to stabilize. It's not terrible vs Infect either, as it can prevent them from going too crazy with pump spells, although it rarely buys you more than an extra turn or two.

It's not actually that great vs most Delver (3Sphere is much better there). It's decent vs more Pyro-centric builds, but just a speed bump.

In Cg at least, it's indispensable to fight combo, as our only other tools are Wail and Crop. It seems like it'd be strong in Gw too, especially if you can curve with Enlightened Tutor for it on T1.

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Well, i don't play Enlightened Tutor, so i don't have that option.
The biggest problem i have with Sphere is that they probably expect something like that. With Leyline, i got an immediate concession out of Storm a few times, because they didn't board in their answers. But every combo deck has answers to Sphere because they need answers to Chalice, and from my experience they always board it in.

If Thoughtseize doesn't do enough or the mana issues are too big, i will probably give Sphere a try.

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Originally Posted by HomicidalRambo

Sorry to make 2 pages on this from my omni question since needed help with deck. With omni show...he plays SnT. He lays omni and I lay glimmer, bog or titan. He has priority since active player and no EBT but I have EBT. He can only play instants before my trigger or respond to my trigger on the stack. So he can play something from sneak attack since he has priority if free red mana. If not my trigger would be on stack next so priority passes to me. I then can leave it on the stack and cast grip on a target of my choice. Is this correct?

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Yes. Also if he activates sneak attack, you then get priority again before your trigger resolves. Not since the times of dig through time do omni players respond to their own instants in omni anymore, so at best they get one instant off.

If funds were not a consideration (they are... I'm just daydreaming a little), how many Candelabras would mono-green run?

@cwcomposer
Well the perfect Number is 3;)
Candelabra is a lot more powerfull in Monogreen but you don't want 4 in the build. I heard some people like 4 but i think it's too much. 3 is not too much and not to less..
If you draw them mutliple in some situation they can be pretty bad.
But yeah you can test them of course.

(considering T1: colored source, cast whatever 1 mana thing
T2: Cloudpost, pass with Crop Rotation up against Wasteland or Top mana or whatever
T3: Cloudpost, Map + crack it for Cavern of Souls
T4: uncounterable Titan
T5: Profit)

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Originally Posted by Neko448

What about the part where they waste you on turn 3? Can't we just Crop for Cavern? Expedition map is good, but it's a crutch

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Against Wasteland I'd leave open the colored source at all times, assuming I have Crop Rotation, and plan to drop the Titan on T5 instead of T4. We all know this is a combo-control deck, it's important to play around and through the opponent's moves and possibilities. Forgive me for saying so, but I think you're denigrating a strong card and key player in the deck for a very long time as a "crutch" without even responding to the reasoning behind playing this card, which is the following.

1. A whole lot of Legacy plays Force of Will, even more than Wasteland.
2. Ramp decks tend to lose to counterspells when the thing they're ramping into can get countered.
3. While Cloudpost is an incredibly compact and efficient ramp strategy, the best in the game, that's still one way to characterize it.
4. Reliably making Primeval Titan uncounterable is excellent because resolving this key spell tends to win the game.
5. Expedition Map is the most efficient way to make Prime Time uncounterable (because it doesn't cost a land drop).

For me, this line of uncounterable Prime Times is very attractive, but Expedition Map offers huge gobs of flexibility even on top of this. It's the 2nd most efficient way to play Glacial Chasm (after Prime Time search trigger). It finds Karakas. It can get Cloudposts if that's what I really need, or Vesuvas to copy ETB trigger on Bog, or my Tabernacle. If I have mana for days but I'm hurting for a win con, it's a gamewinning topdeck.

I needed a 5 item chart and a paragraph to explain the awesome things Expedition Map does. I think that if this card didn't exist and were spoiled today, we would all go completely gaga and waste 5 pages of the thread posting memes about how perfect it was. I also think calling cards "crutches" is, in general, disingenuous. The questions are always what effect(s) a card brings to the deck, whether the deck needs that number of the effect(s), and whether it does the effect(s) efficiently enough. Obviously Post wants land tutors, so (1) is satisfied. Many people play with 7-8 of these, including those with the best past results, so (2) is satisfied. You might take issue with the efficiency of the Map, that is (3), but if we're only down to this aspect of a card I don't think it's possible to reach the judgment that the card is a crutch.

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Originally Posted by Lormador

Said a ton of pro expedition map things.

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I agree with all the benefits you listed, but you forgot the two glaring weaknesses. You buckle even harder to chalice @ 1, and null rod further destroys you. Null rod is run by Grixis, Bug, and Eldrazi Aggro. And Chalice @ 1 also played by Eldrazi aggro amongst other decks.

Since playing the 0-map build recently, I've found myself against null rod and barely flinching, due to show and tell x4 making unwinnable games easy.

Hi,

I would very much like to playtest this. Could someone point me to a current stock / consensual list for this deck ?

Thanks

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Originally Posted by ParkerLewis

Hi,

I would very much like to playtest this. Could someone point me to a current stock / consensual list for this deck ?

Thanks

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That's a tough question :). Basically there's a bunch of "stock lists", all of which are highly configurable (which is one of the large attractions to this deck). The deck has several common configurations. The most consistent one is U/G which features blue for Brainstorm, Show and Tell, some utility and great sideboarding. Mono G often plays Green Sun's Zenith + some bullets for diversity and there's the "CG version" (Colorless Green) which is heavily invested in Candelabra's and colorless spells to ramp. Currently I'm playing the list of Leshrac82, a more Toolbox/twelve post hybrid with a lot of versatility.

Basically all versions have merrit. Look for lists here in this forum or on mtgtop8.com.

Welcome :)

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Originally Posted by Rock Lee

I agree with all the benefits you listed, but you forgot the two glaring weaknesses. You buckle even harder to chalice @ 1, and null rod further destroys you. Null rod is run by Grixis, Bug, and Eldrazi Aggro. And Chalice @ 1 also played by Eldrazi aggro amongst other decks.

Since playing the 0-map build recently, I've found myself against null rod and barely flinching, due to show and tell x4 making unwinnable games easy.

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Chalice and abrupt decay are real and played in a lot of decks...main reason I took them out. Null rod is bad and I hope they SB them in for more dead cards in their deck...I agree with the 5 turns listed by the previous person. That would be a great hand and work great. But for those land drops to be in hand and nothing to hinder your cards for 3 turns...I found it to not be very high statistically. Also, I don't like not having cards to hinder the other person, why I play 4 repeals, 2 EE, and crops even for instant speed lands while abilities on the stack. I never said maps are bad...I'm just saying I felt they are weaker currently in our meta. Also, I really like EE MB. Chalice has almost doubled in price from a year ago...they are heavily played. Why I wanted less '1' in my deck and a way to deal with them. Only card that can be targeted by it is candle for me and only 2 in the deck. SDT doesn't mind it at all. Very low chance to blow it up, and if I am it's because I don't have multiple posts out and not a huge help.

Maps are great...if you run them you are running a more ramp version of the deck and nothing wrong with that. It plays different and has been used for awhile. My build as rock sees is a more combo control build that is totally built around Show n tells. Maps are great, just a different strategy with the deck. I just feel with the current meta they can be targeted easily. Not right or wrong saying you must or must not play them. All depends on how you want to play the deck...

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Originally Posted by HomicidalRambo

I agree with the 5 turns listed by the previous person. That would be a great hand and work great. But for those land drops to be in hand and nothing to hinder your cards for 3 turns... I found it to not be very high statistically.

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I've goldfished my mono-green list a ton and I've noticed that the deck has the widest margin of difference between goldfishing and playing against an actual opponent. Nothing ever plays out in reality the way it does sitting by yourself at the kitchen table.

Well, going to 4 Show and Tell certainly makes for an interesting deck idea that goes right over Chalice, and I certainly would like to have a stronger matchup against the "other" Eldrazi deck. It's also a pretty heavy handed way to play through counterspells, forcing them to hold a pair of Forces and accompanying blue cards to hit both the SnT and the following Titan. Perhaps it will mix well with my other idea, running 3-4 DRS in the MD. Soon I'll be able to test out all these lovely ideas.

@cwcomposer, I agree that goldfishing this deck isn't all that helpful in the sense that real games never work out quite as planned. I just like to keep the deck's main routes to victory in mind. They way my deck is built right now, protecting my Titan with Cavern of Souls is really, really important. BUG, Grixis, and 4-color builds are all popular in my meta, and they are always trying to beat me down with various things while holding up Force of Will for my key spell.

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Originally Posted by Lormador

Well, going to 4 Show and Tell certainly makes for an interesting deck idea that goes right over Chalice, and I certainly would like to have a stronger matchup against the "other" Eldrazi deck. It's also a pretty heavy handed way to play through counterspells, forcing them to hold a pair of Forces and accompanying blue cards to hit both the SnT and the following Titan. Perhaps it will mix well with my other idea, running 3-4 DRS in the MD. Soon I'll be able to test out all these lovely.

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What you meant was other "eldrazi". With quotes around eldrazi. It's ok, common misconception. But in my mind those aren't eldrazi. Real eldrazi cost 10+ mana.

Hi,

I got 1st place on a 12-Man Legacy on our local store last July 30 2016 (Saturday)

Deck Name: MUD Post
(Colorless 12-Post / Mud-Based 12 post)

Decklist:
[26 Lands]
4 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors
3 Vesuva
4 Cloudpost
4 Glimmerpost
2 Thespian's Stage
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Dust Bowl
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1 Karakas
1 Eye of Ugin
1 Maze of Ith

[14 Creatures]
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1 Emrakul, the Promised End
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Lodestone Golem
3 Wurmcoil Engine

[15 Artifacts]
4 Grim Monolith
4 Pithing Needle
4 Expedition Map
3 Candelabra of Tawnos

[3 Sorcery]
3 Warping Wail

[2 Planeswalker]
2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon


[15 Sideboard]
4 Leyline of the Void
4 Trinisphere
4 Chalice of the Void
3 All is Dust

Report:
1st Round: MUD POST (2-0) *Mirror
Game 1:
- Won via damage by my wurmcoils and TKS
- Dust Bowl really did a great job on this matchup since ive been destroying each of his lands everytime I have extra land to play.
- He did a misplay after he casts the Newrakul 2.0 (Emraul, the Promised End) with the help of his Voltaic Key and Grim Monolith activating the Temporal Aprerture and controlled my turn. He didnt dustbowled my own karakas during the mindslave ability.

Game 2:
- Chalice for 1 on my first turn.
- Maze of Ith untapping his big clocks (Wurmcoil Engine)
- Thespian's Stage copying Maze of Ith to double my defence.
- Casted Ugin and activated his ulti throughout the game that caused me to draw Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger etc. I casted Emrkaul, the Aeons Torn (on my hand throughout the earlier turns) first before Ulamog. My opponent scoops.

BOARDING:
OUT: 3 Candelabra of Tawnos, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
IN: 4 Chalice of the Void

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2nd Round: ELVES (2-1)
Game 1:
- He won via Turn 3 Combo

Game 2:
- Locked him out with 2 Lodestone Golems on turn 4 i think.
- turn 5 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon (Opponent scoops)

Game 3:
- Pithing Needle naming Wirewood Symbiote
- Chalice for 1 on my first turn (Eventually destroyed by Reclamation Sage)
- casted Trinisphere on my 5th turn I think
- locked him using The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale and Trinisphere.
- won via Beatdown by my Thought-Knot Seer

BOARDING:
OUT: 3 Candelabra of Tawnos, 1 Cavern of Souls, 1 Karakas, 1 Pithing Needle,
1 Maze of Ith, 3 Wurmcoil Engine, 1 Emrakul, the Promised End,

IN: 4 Chalice of the Void, 4 Trinisphere, 3 All is Dust

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3rd*Round: ANT (2-1)
Game 1:
- Casted Lodestone Golem on turn 2
- 2nd Lodestone Golem ready to cast on turn 3, he probed me then scooped.

Game 2:
- I dropped Leyline of the Void Starting Game.
- I Chalice for 0 and 1 on T1
- I Casted TKS on T4 (In response he Abrupt Decay my Chalice for 1)
- I have 2 Lodestone Golems in Play
- I Dropped Cotv again for 1 (On my end of turn he casted Hurkys Recall using his 4 mana)
- lost via comboing me out.

Game 3:
- Keeps a hand that has 5 lands and 1 Leyline of the Void and Trinisphere
- Dropped Leyline T1 and a land.
- Duressed my Trinisphere
- Eventually the following turns became grindy. That I managed to lock him again by a Trinishpere and beat him down to 4.
He Hurkyls Recalled my again then tried to combo me out having 4 life, he has Storm 6 I think and thinking if he'll play Empty the Warrens but he already saw. my hand which has a The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale at it, He chose Ad Nauseam instead. And died because of that. Since He need more storm to kill my 16 life total.

BOARDING:
OUT: 3 Candelabra of Tawnos, 4 Pithing Needle, 1 Karakas, 2 Wurmcoil Engine, 1 Cavern of Souls, 1 Maze of Ith

IN: 4 Chalice of the Void, 4 Trinisphere, 4 Leyline of the Void

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4th Round: Eldrazi Aggro (2-1)
Game 1:
- Lost to him having 2 mimics and 1 Smasher, could not drop any earlier threats having my hand full of Needles and an Ugin, the Spirit Dragon

Game 2:
- Won having T2 Wurmcoil Engine and another Wurmcoil Engines backup at hand

Game 3:
- Casted Emrakul with the use of Expedition Map searching Eye and Float so many mana with the help of Candelabra of Tawnos and searh Emrakul and casted Emrakul to let my opponent scoop.

BOARDING:
Did not board anything.

Have been having some serious success with this list. Normally I wouldn't share before a weekend, but ended up not being able to schedule my weekly legacy big event. So have at it:

// Lands
4 [MR] Cloudpost
1 [LG] Karakas
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
2 [TSP] Vesuva
1 [AVR] Cavern of Souls
1 [R] Forest (3)
1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
2 [ST] Island (1)
4 [A] Tropical Island
1 [LG] The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale

// Creatures
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 [BFZ] Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
4 [M11] Primeval Titan
1 [EMN] Emrakul, the Promised End

// Spells
4 [UL] Crop Rotation
4 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
2 [ME4] Candelabra of Tawnos
4 [FNM] Brainstorm
4 [US] Show and Tell
4 [DDN] Repeal
2 [FRF] Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
2 [M13] Omniscience

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [NPH] Surgical Extraction
SB: 4 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 4 [CMD] Flusterstorm
SB: 2 [FNM] Dismember
SB: 1 [MMA] Faerie Macabre

Got 5th place at a 58 person event with this hot pile of mana producing garbage:

4x Misty Rainforest
4x Tropical Island
1x Forest
1x Island
1x Glacial Chasm
1x Tabernacle at P. Vale
1x Eye of Ugin
1x Cavern of Souls
1x Karakas
1x Bojuka Bog
1x Thespian Stage
2x Vesuva
4x Cloudpost
4x Glimmerpost

4x BACK TO BACK STANDARD CHAMPION PRIMMMMEVVVALLL TITAAAANNNNNN
1x Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1x Emrakul, the Promised End
1x Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1x Platinum Emperion

4x Brainstorm
4x Crop rotation
4x Show and Tell
2x Repeal
1x All is Dust

3x Sensei's Divining Top
2x Expedition Map
2x Engineered Explosives
1x Candelabra of Twanos

2x Ugin, the Spirit Dragon

SB:
2x Surgical
2x Pithing Needle
4x Flusterstorm
3x Krosan Grip
2x Warping Wail
2x Blue Elemental Blast

Before you totally disregard what I'm saying, I just don't like running four tops. You know when you spin top and all three of your top cards are Top? I hate that. A lot.
Also, I'd totally be running two Candles, but the guy who said he was going to loan one to me just didn't bring it or sold it.
The All is Dust was a last minute inclusion that I never cast. Also Repeal has been garbage to me over 10 matches, I think I'm just going to not do it anymore.

Anyways, on to the meat of the story: My matches.

R1: Andrew Hiser on BIG RED
I know this guy. I actually call the deck Hiser's Deck. He knows what I'm playing. He's like "Hey, I'm really sorry I have to do this to you." I tried to be cordial, but I'm also trying not to cry. Not really how I wanted my day to start out :frown:
G1: I win the die roll and keep some hand that doesn't do anything. I play a trop, and he's like MANA MANA MANA BREACH GRISELBRAND DRAW FOURTEEN. Then he has enough guides and petals to stick a blood moon and chalice. We play draw go for like, three turns, then he emrakul's me
"Alex, I'm really wishing this didn't happen. I was hoping you were just on storm so we could play magic"
G2: On the play again, and I mulligan to five to keep Forest, Grip, Trop, Flusterstorm, Titan. For a second I'm thinking, "Hey, we might cast some spells here!" I play trop, holding up Flusterstorm. He just casually casts Magus of the Moon. Nice. Next turn I draw Blue Elemental Blast. Double nice. He casts Inferno Titan the next turn and proceeds to kill me.
"Hey, you can still win out. I realize that I brought five people here and they are all on big red, but they're worse pilots than me. You'll be fine. This deck takes a lot of skill" (I'm like, actually crying at this point and he's trying to console me. Our matches actually always go like this (once on storm I had three LEDs and an Infernal Tutor and I STILL couldn't get there!)) I snap off that it doesn't take a lot of skill to stick a T1 blood moon then proceed to scout the room. Everyone asks how I did and I just say "I played Hiser" and then they know.

So, I'm a bit salty, w/e, we'll just win out.

R2: Rick on B/R Reanimator
I know this guy from my group chat. He showed up late, but I guess they just let him play. Apparently when he preregistered the employee lied about the start time. Nice format~ He was playing this deck at our weekly, so I know what's up. (Actually, I didn't remember, but he just straight up told me when I asked)
G1: This game was really stupid. He like, duressed away my top and then unmasked my ugin, and I just kept playing cloudposts while he didn't like, reanimate dudes. I drew a Crop Rotation, but that got thoughtseized. Eventually he actually Griselbrands, then the next turn sticks Tidespout, but I guess he doesn't have any spells to cast? I'm staring down 12 damage and I'm dead on board. I'm hellbent and get one more draw step, so I tap a couple times on top of my deck and just flip the card over. It's Emrakul, the Aeons Torn! Sick life, thanks god~ He's got 6 permanents and 15 life, so we get there.
G2: He duresses/unmask/thoughtseizes me a billion times and kills me with duders. This matchup sucks, I hope I don't have to do this again.
G3: I keep a hand that's nothing but hate and a top. We've got flusterstorms floating like that splash of alcohol on a lush's last drink, it's awesome. I manage to surgically extract his duresses then he just walks into a bunch of hate over and over. Eventually he's got nothing left to reanimate. I play a PRIIIMMEEE TIMMEEE and just bowl him over.

R3: Dakota on U/B Reanimator
God dammit. I watched this guy draw the previous round so I know what he's on, and everyone always knows what I'm on, since I'm the local 12post catgirl. I lose the die roll here.
G1: His deck does the BS it's supposed to and I have no recourse since my Warping Wailings are in the sideboard, waiting for me.
G2: I keep a hand that's like, needle, map, map, primetime, glimmerpost, karakas, tropical, I think. Whatever, seems good. I'm starving and have submitted to death. I cast needle and he counters it. Strong line. He thoughtseizes me and takes my primetime. As he contemplates whether or not he can just make me die, I decide that even though playing Karakas is correct, I'm going to pretend I drew something sweet and play the Trop. I go to draw and it's actually just flusterstorm so my bluff kinda blows up on me, but whatever. I play the trop and pass. He casts an entomb and I counter it. Then he needles karakas. My next draw is Bojuka Bog, and I'm like, damn, I should probably get this in play? so I stick it. However, I'm not totally sure that I should bojuka myself or him. I decide to do it to myself, since titan is the only live reanimate target. Of course, if he has exhume, I just lost a ton of value. He draw goes, and I draw that sweet, sweet surgical. He studies carefully on his turn and goes to exhume the titan, which I ofc extract. He's got like, a force with no blue card and a bunch of lands. I draw a top after that and just pull ahead in the game of draw go, mostly because I drew a billion hate cards
G3: I don't even remember what really happened in this game, but I had all the right hate for his nonsense and he pithing needled map and karakas. I soared ahead with Needle, Posts and Ulamog, first blowing up the needle on karakas and his land, then coming back for the rest of his lands in the next turn. In response to the Ulamog mill trigger he entombed ashen rider, but I had Surgical for that. He had a lot of trouble following along the candle math, mostly because he kept interupting me. That's probably not worth mentioning but like, jeez, just let me explain opponent-sensei~

R4: Ryan Overturf on U/R Delver
This guy and I are pretty chill, so I spend the pregame shuffle-hustle making stupid jokes.
G1: He mulls to five, blind flips a delver, then blind flips another delver has wasteland > wasteland > wasteland to keep me off of All is Dust. Well, that sucked.
G2: I decide that my Plan A is just showing titan, since this is the first match where it's ACTUALLY an option. so I board in my flusterstorms to fight over Show and needles/surgical for the goldanged wasteland. My opener is like, show show lands top and needle. I play the turn one needle, play a bunch of lands, find the titan, stick it and run him over. I surgically extract his Force of Will at one point and turn to my boyfriend who also plays U/R Delver that THIS is what a real U/R Delver deck looks like, gesturing wildly at the lack of Prices.
G3: He mulls to six, keeps a slow one and I just run show and tells through countermagic until Prime Time makes his appearance. Later, I make some Spagetti and my opponent asks me to concede to him. I don't...

R5: Louis on ANT
This guy has no playmat, a handful of dice and a scrawled on pad. I don't recognize him, so I try to probe for info by asking if he plays much legacy. He's like "I don't really play much magic, but when I do, it's Legacy." I but him on like, burn or some old extended deck or something. He wins the Die roll.
G1: Show and Tell, Titan, Crop, fist full of lands. How could we go wrong?? He T1 duresses me, so I put him on storm. The way he manipulates cards kinda shows that he's really experienced and storm is everyone's favorite Pet Deck. He looks at my hand and scratches my head "ughh, I've never actually played against this deck." JACK POT. Hopefully he quit before Bojuka Bog was printed. STORM'S ON THE MENU BOYS. He reaches for my Show and Tell (YES) then he's like, "Crop" (NO). The next turn he goes for Past in Flames while I sullenly keep track of storm and stuff until I die.
G2: Well, at least we have 12 cards for this match up. I board out some titans and shit. He saw my tabernacle game 1, but I leave it in anyways in case of gobbos. My opener has got a top and 3 brainstorms #CantLose. I stick the top and he Duresses me. I choose his card for him. on my turn I Brainstorm and it's Surgical, Crop, Flusterstorm. So hot. I float the flusterstorm and carry the surgical. He Brainstorms then duress' me again, so I extract the Brainstorms and see he's got a really spicy hand featuring multiple rits, an led, PIF an tendrils. Looking through his deck I see he has no more tendrils in there, but he has the Empty the Warrens. He takes my BS. We play draw go for a bit (I draw warping wail and crop rotation) and eventually he just decides to go for it, tendrils me for like ten, then cracks some LEDs to go at it again. I wail the PIF. Then I bog him. He's getting all flustered now because my deck just makes no sense to him.
G3: I've got 2 flusterstorms and a warping wail in my opener. Stick some colored sources and play the waiting game. On T3 he ponders, then touches the cards together. Oh man was his hand good. I take his flusterstorm, and LED and Infernal tutor. Leaving him with a bunch of rits and a dark ritual. Then I surgically extract the BS right when I get priority (he didn't shuffle with the ponder either...). I'm floating a bunch of Flusterstorms now, and eventually I just cast titan after tons of Draw-Go and start swinging. I wail a Cabal Therapy and draw the fourth flusterstorm. He's really shaken up by the ponder thing and drops after he gets titan'd.

I'm glad I followed my R1 Opponent's Advice! Winning out is great~

R6: Jeremy on Miracles
We both know each other's decks from sitting next to each other, and he's not thrilled.
G1: I keep a hand with Ugin, Top and a bunch of Cloudposts. He takes the Ugin with a clique, and I draw Ulamog, which I promptly cast.
G: Keep a fat stack of Posts, ugin and emrakul. Draw a top for my T1 and stick it. he goes on the aggro plan, but doesn't take my ugin with clique. On the turn before I die, I cast it with flusterstorm back up but he doesn't even want to fight. Nor does he let me ultimate Ugin, instead just scooping it up. Alas~

Nice, we made it into the top 8! I play some dude I knew from High School

Quarters: Nikolai on RUG
G1: I keep a double show titan hand, and he wastes all my lands and counters all my spells
G2: I keep a double show titan hand, and he wastes all my lands and counters all my spells

I was extremely upset about the last game. He kept saying really mean things to me the whole time, deliberately to put me on tilt because he knew that I'm extremely sensitive, and after the game I actually just went outside and cried. Later, I played DDR and ate pizza with my prize money.

Thanks for reading~

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Got 5th place at a 58 person event with this hot pile of mana producing garbage:

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Sounds like a nightmare event. Amazed you did so well against horrible matchups.

Shame about that Nikolai fellow. I only know one Nikolai and they're one of the nicest players ever, so go figure.

@Rock Lee

Omniscience.... Omniscience!!!

That card is legit in this deck?

I beg you for some highlights.

@Neko

Thank you for the wonderful report.

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If funds were not a consideration (they are... I'm just daydreaming a little), how many Candelabras would mono-green run?

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I run 4x. (Luckily, I got 3x of them when they were still $50.) It's not like I don't want to see multiples…


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Hi,

I got 1st place on a 12-Man Legacy on our local store last July 30 2016 (Saturday)

Deck Name: MUD Post
(Colorless 12-Post / Mud-Based 12 post)

Decklist:
[26 Lands]
4 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors
3 Vesuva
4 Cloudpost
4 Glimmerpost
2 Thespian's Stage
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Dust Bowl
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1 Karakas
1 Eye of Ugin
1 Maze of Ith

[14 Creatures]
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1 Emrakul, the Promised End
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Lodestone Golem
3 Wurmcoil Engine

[15 Artifacts]
4 Grim Monolith
4 Pithing Needle
4 Expedition Map
3 Candelabra of Tawnos

[3 Sorcery]
3 Warping Wail

[2 Planeswalker]
2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon


[15 Sideboard]
4 Leyline of the Void
4 Trinisphere
4 Chalice of the Void
3 All is Dust

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Congrats on the finish! This list looks super fun, but did you ever feel flooded with all the Sol Lands and Monolith?

I've not played a list without fetches or Tops, is that ever problematic, or do you just power through and cast WCE and the Titans?

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Congrats on the finish! This list looks super fun, but did you ever feel flooded with all the Sol Lands and Monolith?

I've not played a list without fetches or Tops, is that ever problematic, or do you just power through and cast WCE and the Titans?

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Actually I've used the UG Post before and did a lot of changes and modications to the deck. And it turns out (just my opinion) that MUD-based Post is really aggressive and accurate. Given the fact that the Titans are all colorless. It ramps out immediately. And also with the help of Taxes (Lodestone), thoughtseize-like creature that cant be bolted, and decayed (Thought-Knot Seer). It really is a good synergy having colorless. Grim Monolith and Sol Lands interact really good and I dont feel that im flooded of mana because your game-style should be having alot of mana that will finish your opponents easily. I can cast UGIN on T2, Emrakul on T3 etc.

But it really depends on the meta. You should try it sometime and see for yourself if you really want the Mud-Based Build for the Post or not. :smile: Let me know when you tried it. :smile:

@cin - very interesting list. My fiance and I run a similar list that would replace the thought-thought-knots with codon of Ruin and has a couple deceiver of forms. It's a lot of fun. Have you considered just running eldrazi temple over city of traitors? That is the way we went since it it a sol land for eldrazi and sticks around through land drops and ramping. I would suggest trying it. Your list seems solid, but it may be an option for you.

@neko448 you mentioned a couple of very rude and condescending opponents. You also mentioned being the 12post catgirl. If I am safe to assume that you are female, my fiance deals with that a lot as well when on 12 post. People have explained simple mechanics and plays like cascade into ancestral, how stifling a fetchland works, etc. That is unfortunately how the magic community is. Feel free to sass them or if it ever goes towards making comments like "I can't believe I lost to a girl" feel free to report them to a judge if it is competitive REL. That bahavior is extremely unacceptable and needs to be adjusted to make sure the game is accessible and comfortable for all players.

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@neko448 you mentioned a couple of very rude and condescending opponents. You also mentioned being the 12post catgirl. If I am safe to assume that you are female, my fiance deals with that a lot as well when on 12 post. People have explained simple mechanics and plays like cascade into ancestral, how stifling a fetchland works, etc. That is unfortunately how the magic community is. Feel free to sass them or if it ever goes towards making comments like "I can't believe I lost to a girl" feel free to report them to a judge if it is competitive REL. That bahavior is extremely unacceptable and needs to be adjusted to make sure the game is accessible and comfortable for all players.

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Yeah, it would be nice to for things to be different, but as much as we just want to blame the magic community, it's society who is at fault. Most people who are new to the community or legacy just assume that I have no idea what's going on and while it's kinda shitty, you can easily spin it into an advantage. However, I play a lot of legacy and pretty everyone in MN knows who I am and what I'm on. I feel like I'm a pretty good pilot and my opponents tend to agree. And I don't like just complaining to judges because someone was mean, I usually just try to beat them instead. The match with Nikolai was something pretty out of the ordinary and was mostly just a huge character flaw of that person. After I ran away from the top 8 table, the head judge PM'd me and ask if I was alright and I think he called out Nikolai, because he apolgized later to me. I'm just trying not to worry about it anf accept I likely could not have won those games anyways because my opponent's hands were just absurd, even if I did make a few misplays. I feel like I could have crushed the rest of the top 8 too, which would have been nice since it was a 1k


Edit: and trust me, I'm sassy enough, lol

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@Rock Lee

Omniscience.... Omniscience!!!

That card is legit in this deck?

I beg you for some highlights.

@Neko

Thank you for the wonderful report.

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Hmmm omni fits the deck style I was playing nicely. Increase show effects nicely and free ugin. Chalice less of a problem. Never thought of trying it. Let me know your thoughts I'll be trying it over the next few weeks!

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@Rock Lee

Omniscience.... Omniscience!!!

That card is legit in this deck?

I beg you for some highlights.

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I had a slot of 2 cards that I couldn't quite flex well with James Gasparme's list. The EE's I felt were only effectively strong against greedy hands of my opponent, and negating chalice. Against both those cards, show and tell is my optimal play, and against several of them showing in Titan is your only real option but Ugin was almost always the better card (exception being Eldrazi Aggro).

I pittered with multiple options, including oracle of mul daya, engineered explosives in multiple variants, pithing needle, even more normal bounce like echoing truth. Ultimately I was thinking of how sneaky-show bridges the gap between show and tell/sneaky's weaknesses and omniscience as a splash simply for on-cast triggers of emrakul. With 4-7 targets for omniscience in sneaky show, this deck runs 9 if you count ugin, which is ultimately why I like omni. Omniscience bridges the gap between show and tell and ugin that previously fought itself.

My testing has been extremly strong. Emrakul, the Promised End forces people to care about my graveyard. Omni forces people to care about enchantment destruction and terrible cards to fight the card omniscience itself. Unlike Sneaky Show though, Omni doesn't hinder our cast-plan at all.

EDIT: Some Omni learning though is I might suggest including some number of Unsubstantiates or Vensers in the sideboard, since when putting in Omniscience vs an opposing Omniscience, you lose that pivotal etb-trigger to grip their Omni. could be an outlier play, but I like Unsubstantiate already as a nice flex that also ignores cavern and emrakul's uncounterable caveat.

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Yeah, it would be nice to for things to be different, but as much as we just want to blame the magic community, it's society who is at fault. Most people who are new to the community or legacy just assume that I have no idea what's going on and while it's kinda shitty, you can easily spin it into an advantage. However, I play a lot of legacy and pretty everyone in MN knows who I am and what I'm on. I feel like I'm a pretty good pilot and my opponents tend to agree. And I don't like just complaining to judges because someone was mean, I usually just try to beat them instead. The match with Nikolai was something pretty out of the ordinary and was mostly just a huge character flaw of that person. After I ran away from the top 8 table, the head judge PM'd me and ask if I was alright and I think he called out Nikolai, because he apolgized later to me. I'm just trying not to worry about it anf accept I likely could not have won those games anyways because my opponent's hands were just absurd, even if I did make a few misplays. I feel like I could have crushed the rest of the top 8 too, which would have been nice since it was a 1k


Edit: and trust me, I'm sassy enough, lol

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You sound very similar to my fiance. She mostly brushes it off because people just suck. She actually wrote a very popular article on the subject of women in magic. "The View From Here". But it sounds like you are well known in your area for your deck so you are obviously accomplished. Would love to see some higher level finishes from you! Good luck and have fun!

I thought I would stop in to share my latest list, which I 3-1'd two weeklies recently with. This week I went 1-2 because of a re-pair, I was going to play against miracles round 3 but was repaired against moggcatcher. My losses were mostly to infect otherwise.

4 Primeval Titan
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
1 Forest
2 Island
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Cavern of Souls
4 Cloudpost
1 Glacial Chasm
4 Glimmerpost
1 Maze of Ith
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Tropical Island
3 Vesuva
1 Eye of Ugin
1 Karakas
1 Candelabra of Tawnos
3 Expedition Map
3 Pithing Needle
3 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Brainstorm
3 Crop Rotation
3 Show and Tell
3 Repeal
1 Trinket Mage
2 Moment's Peace
SB: 2 Flusterstorm
SB: 4 Force of Will
SB: 2 Krosan Grip
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 World Breaker
SB: 2 Relic of Progenitus
SB: 1 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
SB: 1 Engineered Explosives

I cut a moment's peace for the new emrakul and that certainly did not help against infect. It's a card I have a love/hate relationship with, it's very bad when they have deathrite but sometimes it's just double time walk (Used it against a geist equipped with sword of fire and ice, nothing else would have gotten me out of that jam).

I also disagree with moving away from pithing needle. I hate to remind everyone but this decks biggest weakness is wasteland and even just one can be game, especially against delver decks. Instead I think you're relying too heavily on show and tell which I think is a mistake. I've always viewed it as a backup plan in a lot of matchups. If that's your plan A, then one force could wreck your day. Pithing needle is just rarely dead, if ever, and was instrumental in most of my wins, naming wasteland, inkmoth nexus, port, liliana, random swords etc. My only knock against it is that it costs one and gets countered by chalice.

Omniscience is a think a weak card to include because it has the potential to be a "dead card" a lot of the time when you don't have show and tell. Yes, you can cast it with triple blue which can be tough with ~6 blue sources, but by then you have enough mana to cast almost anything so its effect is redundant. Honestly I just think it's going to rot in your hand and you'll be wishing it's anything else as you die to a glistener elf or whatever. I'm willing to be wrong here, just let me know if you test it a lot and it does a lot more than I think it would.

The new emrakul I tested out this week and was able to take control of their turn, cast a cunning wish and counter it with pact of negation. Since they only have 4 lands in play they died in the upkeep of their "extra turn." I don't expect it to be ever that good again haha.

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@cin - very interesting list. My fiance and I run a similar list that would replace the thought-thought-knots with codon of Ruin and has a couple deceiver of forms. It's a lot of fun. Have you considered just running eldrazi temple over city of traitors? That is the way we went since it it a sol land for eldrazi and sticks around through land drops and ramping. I would suggest trying it. Your list seems solid, but it may be an option for you.

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Hi mykatdied,

I tested it before using the Eldrazi Temple, but given the fact that the eldrazi spells that I have are only 7 on the deck. I couldn't maximize it and Candelabra doesn't support it either. City of traitors really has good synergy on Candelabra and Grim Monoliths. I increase my chance to have 2 Colorless Mana on T1 with these scenarios:
1. T1 Land Drop (Ancient Tomb / City of Traitors) Grim Monolith to Grim Monolith then cast a 4 CC Creature (Lodestone or TKS)
2. T1 Land Drop (Ancient Tomb / City of Traitors) Grim Monolith, T2 Land Drop (any land that comes into play untapped and produces 1 or 2 mana) then cast Wurmcoil Engine
3. T1 Land Drop (Ancient Tomb / City of Traitors) Grim Monolith, T2 Land Drop (Ancient Tomb / City of Traitors), Cast Candelabra of Tawnos, Floating 3 (use the 2 to untap both lands, then tap them again for mana: Floating 5 Mana) Tap Grim to Float a total of 8 Mana Then cast Ugin, the Spirit Dragon.
4. [Boarding], T1 Drop Sol land, Cast Grim, Cast Trinisphere
5. [Boarding], T1 Drop Sol land, Cast Cotv for 1.

I usually run 4 Candelabra of Tawnos when I use 8 Sol Lands, and it really is very abusive. But sometimes Candelabra seems to be a dead card on later games. That's why I now only use 3 Candels.

City of Traitors is better than Eldrazi Temple in this list because it increases your chance of having 2 mana to cast anything on your deck instead of relying to your 7 Eldrazi Spells plus 3 on SB, just my opinion.

You can abuse Candelabra of Tawnos in this list because of having a 7 total of Sol Lands, I tried using 8 Sol Lands but I re-consider since I want to have a toolbox of lands.

Tips: You can still use your City of Traitors after you put a land in response to the trigger of sacrificing it and abuse the Candelabra before sacrificing it. You can also abuse it using your dusbowl, Float 3 mana. landdrop dustbowl then tap dustbowl in response to your city of traitors then sac your City to destroy non-basic land of your opponent.

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Got 5th place at a 58 person event with this hot pile of mana producing garbage:

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Rough luck getting paired against Hiser, but congrats on the finish! Where was this at?


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Rough luck getting paired against Hiser, but congrats on the finish! Where was this at?

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It was the Levelup Cup, so essentially just a 1k. I'm happy I made top 8 but I would really like to make it past the quarters one of these times...

Hiser was actually really nice about it, he always is, I'm just a bit whiny when it comes to blood moons and it's a pretty awful way to start the day. 6/7 matchups were horrendous, and I pulled through, so I think I should be proud of that

@rocklee: haven't dropped a match since throwing some omnis in there. this card is bonkers!!

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Originally Posted by Neko448

@rocklee: haven't dropped a match since throwing some omnis in there. this card is bonkers!!

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I KNOWWW! It is fixing so many of the problems I had both with ugin, but also only being willing to show and tell Primeval Titans but wanting to run 4 show and tells. Including many situations where showing in a Primeval Titan didn't win the game: Versus most forms of combo every eldrazi does something, when on only 3 basic lands vs non-lands.deck denial/pressure, and when you simply need 2 things off of one Show and Tell (Ugin + Titan usually).