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So here's a pre-emptive question - What're we gonna do about Omniscience, since most of our S&T strategy is based on doing Knight/Karakas stuff, and Omniscience is just going to slaughter us? Thalia has a minor effect on it, but what's our best strategy here otherwise? Harmonic Sliver? Ethersworn Canonist?
Is Omniscience even something we really have to worry about? It looks like right now a lot of those decks are 3 card combo decks. I probably wouldn't worry about it until a list gets settled for it - presuming the deck even goes anywhere.
Yeah, why would Show and Tell decks play a card that doesn't win the game for them immediately? They are fine with Griselbrand and Emrakul.
they do instant win with a wish, it is a 3 card combo, that is right, but they instant win and karakas won't help you.
OK, I see it now. It's kind of like Hive Mind, then, another three card combo (except Hive Mind is easier to hard cast). I guess it would just be a bad matchup, which Show and Tell Decks already are anyway. I don't know what you can do, except to play more Thalia and aggressively attack their mana base.
But instead of Pacts you get to play more counter/cantrip and Burning Wish...Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin
I think that more Harmonic Sliver just gets there if Omniscience turns into a real thing (And I think it absolutely will.) Course, then you get to decide whether you're dropping it or Knight off a Show and Tell, which makes life a little more complicated.
I don't think Omniscience will be a thing in SnT. Why would they drop that into play when they could just drop a win condition into play. It waters down the deck and requires them to have a third card in hand to go off.
The lists posted at the moment are not better than the standart dream halls deck, which is not a problem. There are plenty of answers already in maverik: qasali, teeg, thalia, canonist, wastelands, etc. The % of a goldfish like show-omni-staggershock-world is too little to worry about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tacosnape
Best way I've found to deal with Show and Tell decks is splash blue and run 4 Flusterstorm in the board. Those decks pretty much can't resolve a Show and Tell through Flusterstorm. If they wait to play around it, that just gives you time to get a Thalia, Guardian of Thraben to stick or potentially Wasteland them out of the game.
In my experience, if they aren't cheating a creature/Hive Mind/Dream Halls into play by the third turn, we beat them.
i can follow ur argumentation.
can u explain why flusterstorm is great against Sneak&Tell? It's not like ur going to win the counterwar with a mere flusterstorm.
Whenever they go for Show and Tell and you have the Flusterstorm they will need 2 Counters/Mana because you have 1 Storm + Flusterstorm. Misderection doesn't work as hardcounter as long as you have 1 mana up, but they side this out most likely anyways., whereas Spell Pierce can easily redirected to Misdicetion.
Kuma, how much testing did you invest for that matchup, it might be time to add 4 Flusterstorm and 2 Gilded Drake to the board if ou meta demands it. (Sneak Show is nearly non existant here)
Your post doesn't make sense. Either you follow Kuma's point or it requires further explanation? I can't see how both?~Quote:
Originally Posted by xiaocho
So Show and Tell will cost :2::u:. His build has the ability to Fusterstorm, as it will be the 2nd spell, it double Force Spikes, so the Sneak and Show player isn't going to be able to Force/Misdirection through a resolution. They either walk into this game two, or expect it, but regardless they're forced to slow down. Their options will be to wait another turn or two playing around Flusterstorm or have to sculpt to a hand with 2 Show and Tells, both of these options buy Kuma time to land Thalia which exasserbates the situation. With Sneak and Show's jank mana base Wasteland can essentially do the same thing if attacking Sol lands.
Strikes me as a fine plan, Flusterstorm definitely complements Thalia and Wasteland well and splashes against Storm combo.
sorry,
I wanted to say:
I can't follow ur argumentation.
Hey guys.
I have won a GPT to Gent today with my list. We were 30 players.
The rounds:
R1 0-2 Dredge
R2 2-1 Elves combo
R3 2-0 UWB Blade
R4 2-1 Nic fit
R5 Draw
Top 8 2-0 UW miracle
Top 4 2-0 UWB blade
Final: split to UW miracle
We will see in Gent ;)
Really good to see that you're doing well versus UW Terminus, as that matchup seemed pretty bad when I initially matched them up in my head (fully aware of potential Vial+Teeg+Karakas shenanigans).
I went 2-1 with M@verick's list last Thursday in a small weekly tourney, losing to Lands (horrible matchup), and beating Reanimator and Merfolk handily. Aside from actually just having to scoop to Ensnaring Bridge game one, the list continued to feel pretty tight.
Looks like Ben Stark didn't lose a match coming into the top 8 of GP Atlanta.
Do you guys think its
a) He has most optimal Maverick list?
b) He is a master player
c) A mix of both (probably more of b)
I've bought the missing cards to build M@verick's list today on MTGO and I'll give it a spin.
Hey, sorry, I was finishing up school stuff this past week.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryscott85
I was in Detroit, but I didn't do so hot.
1-3 in the Legacy Challenge the day before. 0.o;
Went with the same thing I played in Indy for the Open, went 1-2. 0.o;
Just didn't run so hot. Lost to UW Miracles and ... Food Chain combo in Detroit. Against UW, the games were close, and it went to three games. The Food Chain guy killed me on 2 both times. >.> Dropped early since someone else was heading back my way early as well.
Picked up the pieces though and did good in my weekly's, and just got home from a 3rd place at a SCG Super IQ for 260.
As for Cavern if Souls... I haven't been a fan of it. One thing I love about GW is the consistent manabase. While having uncounterable guys is good, I don't like opening the door to mana issues.
Went 2-2 in the GP side event with the old standard. Went 2-1 vs Reanimator then TheInfamousBearAssassin logic crushed the tarshit out of 1SylvanLibraryDogShitPile.dec
New list:
2 Sylvan Library