[Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

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Originally Posted by Stan

I never understood the premium some people will pay for German cards. You can get boxes for the same price as 'normal' ones (English or French) at the normal price here (Belgium) with ease. It's not as if those cards are so hard to come by. I used to buy my boxes in Russian when that was still possible, if I were to pick up that habit again, I'd go for German. Same price, but the individual cards seem to move a lot faster.

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Neither do I understand the German premium. I have been asked several times more for foil German cards than foil Japanese ones (and I'm not talking about Wilder Nacatls), which seems absurd to me. But some people are really willing to pay a big premium, so it does exist.

For cards from recent sets there doesn't seem to be any premium over English though, and they sell considerably slower. So buying German boxes instead of English ones is a worse idea than it may seem.

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Originally Posted by MaximumC

Well, it used to be that foreign cards were rare. Japanese, in particular. I don't know if that's true anymore. Here's my experience:

1. I like Chinese cards because I can typically get them for cheaper than English ones.
2. I like Russian cards because the language is really pretty.
3. I like German cards because the language is so angry and awesome.
4. Some particular cards are funny (if you are twelve): Treasure Cruise in German is "Lehnende Ausfahrt." Delay in French is "Retard."

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I am quite fond of my German Portal Götterdämmerung in my Numot deck, for that reason. The name is cool. But that's the rare exception.

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Originally Posted by Stan

I never understood the premium some people will pay for German cards. You can get boxes for the same price as 'normal' ones (English or French) at the normal price here (Belgium) with ease. It's not as if those cards are so hard to come by. I used to buy my boxes in Russian when that was still possible, if I were to pick up that habit again, I'd go for German. Same price, but the individual cards seem to move a lot faster.

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I'm not sure either. But I just *had* to have german FBB duals for my legacy deck.

For Legacy, one reason why German is popular is because if you want to keep your entire deck one non-English language, that pretty much limits you to German, French, or Italian because of your duals.

Plus, it's an awesomely angry language.

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Originally Posted by MaximumC

4. Some particular cards are funny (if you are twelve): Treasure Cruise in German is "Lehnende Ausfahrt." Delay in French is "Retard."

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Or the recent "Descend Upon the Fishermen" French translation snafu.

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Originally Posted by jrsthethird

Or the recent "Descend Upon the Fishermen" French translation snafu.

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I just saw that. Those accents are there for a reason.

I have a couple worthless tron lands in I think French I'd love to make English.

Only prices I'm bothered about are lands and a few artifacts.

2 years ago I tried to get 1 set of duals, said when I get my income tax I'm getting them.

I look and a set went way way out of my range of even probability.

So I'm forever stuck playing a tier 2 deck.

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Originally Posted by Sidneyious

I have a couple worthless tron lands in I think French I'd love to make English.

Only prices I'm bothered about are lands and a few artifacts.

2 years ago I tried to get 1 set of duals, said when I get my income tax I'm getting them.

I look and a set went way way out of my range of even probability.

So I'm forever stuck playing a tier 2 deck.

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Bank loan/LOC?

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Originally Posted by Sidneyious

So I'm forever stuck playing a tier 2 deck.

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The difference between Tier 1 and Tier 2 is honestly too small to fret about. Just learn your deck(s) inside and out.

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Originally Posted by ESG

The difference between Tier 1 and Tier 2 is honestly too small to fret about. Just learn your deck(s) inside and out.

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Oh I do, I'm fairly proficient in making my decks work.

Example in modern

Mono blue tron vs gr tron.
I should lose but I won, I just made a play mistake and I wasn't even trying I just made a silly mistake.

If I had a full spiral tide list I might of did better another night but I was just having fun.
Wasn't expecting to even do anything.

But a couple people conspired and his midget ass was gloating at me.

"3 turns to slow"

Now the patrons are pushing thoes 2 out because noone wants their kind.

But I want duals, I want p9, sadly I'll never get it.

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Originally Posted by Sidneyious

Oh I do, I'm fairly proficient in making my decks work.

Example in modern

Mono blue tron vs gr tron.
I should lose but I won, I just made a play mistake and I wasn't even trying I just made a silly mistake.

If I had a full spiral tide list I might of did better another night but I was just having fun.
Wasn't expecting to even do anything.

But a couple people conspired and his midget ass was gloating at me.

"3 turns to slow"

Now the patrons are pushing thoes 2 out because noone wants their kind.

But I want duals, I want p9, sadly I'll never get it.

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Get p9 and loose the woe is me im poor thing. Its not classy.

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Originally Posted by Sidneyious

Oh I do, I'm fairly proficient in making my decks work.

Example in modern

Mono blue tron vs gr tron.
I should lose but I won, I just made a play mistake and I wasn't even trying I just made a silly mistake.

If I had a full spiral tide list I might of did better another night but I was just having fun.
Wasn't expecting to even do anything.

But a couple people conspired and his midget ass was gloating at me.

"3 turns to slow"

Now the patrons are pushing thoes 2 out because noone wants their kind.

But I want duals, I want p9, sadly I'll never get it.

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You're on a forum for Legacy players. You don't get to complain about not being able to afford expensive cards.

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Originally Posted by CutthroatCasual

You're on a forum for Legacy players. You don't get to complain about not being able to afford expensive cards.

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But they're literally in the "Bitching About Prices" thread. That's what this thread is for, is it not?

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ignition

But they're literally in the "Bitching About Prices" thread. That's what this thread is for, is it not?

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There's a difference between complaining about the price of cards, and stating you'll never get them. If obtaining the pricy staples needed to play eternal isn't even an objective anymore, how strong is your desire to play eternal at all?

I'll likely never own a playset of Workshops (I let that train pass by two years ago, they tripled in price since then). But if I ever fall upon a stupid pile of cash, you can bet your ass I'll get them.

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Originally Posted by Stan

There's a difference between complaining about the price of cards, and stating you'll never get them. If obtaining the pricy staples needed to play eternal isn't even an objective anymore, how strong is your desire to play eternal at all?

I'll likely never own a playset of Workshops (I let that train pass by two years ago, they tripled in price since then). But if I ever fall upon a stupid pile of cash, you can bet your ass I'll get them.

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I love Legacy. I have no more Legacy decks. I play proxy Legacy when I can, and have no intention whatsoever of acquiring $300 cards.

That does not change my desire to play the format.

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Originally Posted by Mr.C

I love Legacy. I have no more Legacy decks. I play proxy Legacy when I can, and have no intention whatsoever of acquiring $300 cards.

That does not change my desire to play the format.

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How much can you really love it if you can't even find the willpower to invest in something you "love".

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Originally Posted by kingsey

How much can you really love it if you can't even find the willpower to invest in something you "love".

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Put it this way: I love my car. But, say, between paying $5000 for an original AC Schnitzer kit to put on it, plus another $2000 for paint, I instead paid $400 for a replica set and painted it in my garage with rattlecans for $200.

Did it affect my enjoyment of the car? Nope.

Will I win any Concours d'Elegance? Fuck no.

Does anyone imply that I don't love the car due to using non-original parts? That's debatable, but I've had a couple of people with $50,000 invested into their cars complimenting me on how it looks and asking where I sourced the reps, what paint I used, how the fit was, etc.

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I think I mentioned this several pages back, but god damn is the Magic community much more elitist than cars. Nobody gives you shit for using replicas to save money, not even people with hundreds of thousands of dollars in their builds. There's an intrinsic understanding that acquiring originals of many parts is cost prohibitive, and unless you're building a car to win Pebble Beach, you'll use replicas and alternatives whenever possible to cut down on costs.

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Originally Posted by Mr.C

Put it this way: I love my car. But, say, between paying $5000 for an original AC Schnitzer kit to put on it, plus another $2000 for paint, I instead paid $400 for a replica set and painted it in my garage with rattlecans for $200.

Did it affect my enjoyment of the car? Nope.

Will I win any Concours d'Elegance? Fuck no.

Does anyone imply that I don't love the car due to using non-original parts? That's debatable, but I've had a couple of people with $50,000 invested into their cars complimenting me on how it looks and asking where I sourced the reps, what paint I used, how the fit was, etc.

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I think I mentioned this several pages back, but god damn is the Magic community much more elitist than cars. Nobody gives you shit for using replicas to save money, not even people with hundreds of thousands of dollars in their builds. There's an intrinsic understanding that acquiring originals of many parts is cost prohibitive, and unless you're building a car to win Pebble Beach, you'll use replicas and alternatives whenever possible to cut down on costs.

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If you use that car in some sort of tuning or restoration contest, and the use of specific parts is outlawed in that contest, then the other participants would have reason to be upset with your replicas. Same as magic players who'll take offense when you use a proxy in a tournament. If somebody bitches about a suboptimal but legal deck you bring to a tournament, or about a proxy in a kitchen table game, meh.

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Originally Posted by MGB

I already told you to buy Collected Company ($12ish now, will be $20+ as long as its legal down the road), Khans fetchlands (seems obvious but they're in the $12-$15 range now and if you're willing to wait, they're going to be $20-$25+ down the line for as long as Modern is a format), Thoughtseize (won't be reprinted soon, is the best at what it does, will also see demand in every format it's legal in), Abrupt Decay (just going to keep going up as it's the best at what it does in every format) , Dig Through Time (barring a ban, should be a Legacy staple for a while). And buy shocklands. Again, another "obvious" one, but so was Snapcaster and Liliana. Good cards are good cards and will see play forever, and just keep going up in price as long as Magic is popular.

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Did you guys buy all those Collected Companies when they were still around $10-$12? If you had, like I told you to, about 8 months ago, then you could cash them out for twice as much or more now that they are riding their crest of popularity in standard/modern. I personally have like 40+ of these sitting around and a handful of foils, so i'll be cashing them out pretty soon before they rotate out of Standard. Bought all of them for around $8-$10 each!

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Originally Posted by Stan

If you use that car in some sort of tuning or restoration contest, and the use of specific parts is outlawed in that contest, then the other participants would have reason to be upset with your replicas. Same as magic players who'll take offense when you use a proxy in a tournament. If somebody bitches about a suboptimal but legal deck you bring to a tournament, or about a proxy in a kitchen table game, meh.

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I just re-read my post and the post I quoted, and I see no mention of tournaments. Actually, I specifically mentioned I wouldn't win any Concours.

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Originally Posted by Mr.C

I just re-read my post and the post I quoted, and I see no mention of tournaments. Actually, I specifically mentioned I wouldn't win any Concours.

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You compared the audience of amateur mechanics and car restoration hobbyists on one side with Magic players on the other. The use of specific authentic parts on cars was referred to as a point of reference, argueing that the Magic players are more elitist. The obvious analogy with authentic car parts in this comparison is the use of 'authentic cards', meaning a ban of proxies. This can only be enforced in a tournament setting, just as the use of authentic parts can only have other consequences besides a snarky comment from a fellow hobbyist in the setting of a hypothetical competition which dictates which restaurations are valid and which aren't. The comparison is valid.

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Originally Posted by Stan

You compared the audience of amateur mechanics and car restoration hobbyists on one side with Magic players on the other. The use of specific authentic parts on cars was referred to as a point of reference, argueing that the Magic players are more elitist. The obvious analogy with authentic car parts in this comparison is the use of 'authentic cards', meaning a ban of proxies. This can only be enforced in a tournament setting, just as the use of authentic parts can only have other consequences besides a snarky comment from a fellow hobbyist in the setting of a hypothetical competition which dictates which restaurations are valid and which aren't. The comparison is valid.

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He asked how I could love a format that I don't invest in. I responded with an analogy that apparently went over a few people's heads.

Let me rephrase it:

You can love cars and not want to spend $$$ to win Pebble Beach, and not get shit on by other enthusiasts.

Apparently, loving Legacy but refusing to 'invest' in the yhe format is inconceivable.

See the difference?

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Originally Posted by Mr.C

He asked how I could love a format that I don't invest in. I responded with an analogy that apparently went over a few people's heads.

Let me rephrase it:

You can love cars and not want to spend $$$ to win Pebble Beach, and not get shit on by other enthusiasts.

Apparently, loving Legacy but refusing to 'invest' in the yhe format is inconceivable.

See the difference?

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Exactly. Just because I don't have a garage princess Ferrari doesn't mean I'm not an enthusiast.

This thread sucks

I understand everything Mr.C is trying to convey.

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Originally Posted by sdematt

Just because I don't have a garage princess Ferrari that I bought with Beta duals in a sandwich baggie ...

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Fixed that for you. ;)

There's one thing I hope we can all agree on:

Fords are the FTV foils of cars.

The only reason I'm okay with Ford is because of the early Mustang models, and even then, I'm only getting one to complete the horsey trifecta (Ford, Ferrari, Porsche).

-Matt

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Originally Posted by jrsthethird

There's one thing I hope we can all agree on:

Fords are the FTV foils of cars.

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ew, no. They're like the Premium Decks of cars.

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Originally Posted by Mr.C

I just re-read my post and the post I quoted, and I see no mention of tournaments. Actually, I specifically mentioned I wouldn't win any Concours.

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You wouldn't be able to enter any Concours AFAIK. So Stan has a point: counterfeit cards are illegal for the "show." It's fine–though still not really because buying fake shit is generally frowned upon even in automotive circles: it's one thing to buy BBS-reps made by König, it's a whole other deal to buy Volk-knockoffs (and that's the difference: replicas vs. knockoffs) made by Rota–to use proxies at the kitchen table/casual playtesting. However, when you obtain them for the sole purpose to competing with them, that's when you're no longer kosher.

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Originally Posted by sdematt

The only reason I'm okay with Ford is because of the early Mustang models, and even then, I'm only getting one to complete the horsey trifecta (Ford, Ferrari, Porsche).

-Matt

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Oh, Zatarra, the stories you tell.

So is this a fake FoW?

https://i.imgur.com/dXeMRYo.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tqT3kV5.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/xr6ySI0.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Laif2qy.jpg

I already have my thoughts. What say you?

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Originally Posted by CutthroatCasual

So is this a fake FoW?

https://i.imgur.com/dXeMRYo.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tqT3kV5.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/xr6ySI0.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Laif2qy.jpg

I already have my thoughts. What say you?

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I think so, font and mana symbols seem off

seems fine to me .. :confused::eyebrow:

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Originally Posted by rlesko

I think so, font and mana symbols seem off

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It looks like the print pattern is seamless between the circle in the mana symbol and the border, iirc they should be printed separately on the card.

The symbols/text are printed separately but the mana symbol circles are part of the same layer as the border.

FWIW the OP also posted a Tundra that he got with the FoW and the Tundra was a fake.

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Originally Posted by CutthroatCasual

You wouldn't be able to enter any Concours AFAIK. So Stan has a point: counterfeit cards are illegal for the "show." It's fine–though still not really because buying fake shit is generally frowned upon even in automotive circles: it's one thing to buy BBS-reps made by König, it's a whole other deal to buy Volk-knockoffs (and that's the difference: replicas vs. knockoffs) made by Rota–to use proxies at the kitchen table/casual playtesting. However, when you obtain them for the sole purpose to competing with them, that's when you're no longer kosher.

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Oh, I definitely could enter, but judges would look at my car and laugh hysterically (or DQ it, like it would happen in a Legacy tournament). But again, that was not what I said in my original post lol.

The German language thing i'll never get.... When i bought my FBB lands i went with whatever the cheapest was lol. Safe to say I have many Italian lands :cool:. If i found a good deal on a German FBB I'd no sooner flip it and pocket the extra cash.

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Originally Posted by chemicalstylez

The German language thing i'll never get.... When i bought my FBB lands i went with whatever the cheapest was lol. Safe to say I have many Italian lands :cool:. If i found a good deal on a German FBB I'd no sooner flip it and pocket the extra cash.

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You're talking about a game where people will spend thousands of dollars on a small piece of cardboard.

People like what they like :)

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Originally Posted by chemicalstylez

The German language thing i'll never get.... When i bought my FBB lands i went with whatever the cheapest was lol. Safe to say I have many Italian lands :cool:. If i found a good deal on a German FBB I'd no sooner flip it and pocket the extra cash.

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That's like buying a Ferrari with a ding in it so that you can save some money. Go balls out or just get HP Revised. Any middle ground is just ratchet and idiotic.