[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils)

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Originally Posted by MTG Junkie

Really wish there was a way to make a Doomsday line good in Wish ANT. Any Wish players ever tried it?

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You could run some SDT, one DD and one Meditate (Since you'll usually go IT->DD with top rather than double cantrip piles) over Preordains and an AdN in an UB list. Cut some Petals to play 17ish lands. That way you combine PiF and DD. You can run the other DD's in the board. In my (very limited) testing it was just worse than ANT or DDFT but I still like the concept since AdN is terrible, and SDT can be a really sweet card.

If you meant running DD as a wish target in UBr ANT I don't really think it's great. You need to have some mana, a wish and a cantrip to make it good, Grim Tutor will do the trick in most of these situations too (although the requirements are a bit higher, it doesn't need the cantrip). It also requires playing another dead card MD.

It might also be possible to play a UBr hybrid, but I haven't found a list I liked.

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Originally Posted by JamieW89

You could run some SDT, one DD and one Meditate (Since you'll usually go IT->DD with top rather than double cantrip piles) over Preordains and an AdN in an UB list. Cut some Petals to play 17ish lands. That way you combine PiF and DD. You can run the other DD's in the board. In my (very limited) testing it was just worse than ANT or DDFT but I still like the concept since AdN is terrible, and SDT can be a really sweet card.

If you meant running DD as a wish target in UBr ANT I don't really think it's great. You need to have some mana, a wish and a cantrip to make it good, Grim Tutor will do the trick in most of these situations too (although the requirements are a bit higher, it doesn't need the cantrip). It also requires playing another dead card MD.

It might also be possible to play a UBr hybrid, but I haven't found a list I liked.

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My train of thought is play a draw 4 spell main, along with a couple of Tops. Play Doomsday over IGG in the board.
(I think Doomsday is a better engine than IGG) So just like the IGG line its there when the situation is right.

What are the pros and cons of naming Infernal Tutor vs. Tendrils of Agony with Meddling Mage? I'm thinking of post-board situations where ANT knows the other player plays Meddling Mage and has boarded accordingly.

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Originally Posted by akatsuki

What are the pros and cons of naming Infernal Tutor vs. Tendrils of Agony with Meddling Mage? I'm thinking of post-board situations where ANT knows the other player plays Meddling Mage and has boarded accordingly.

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ANT also runs EtW ... you are not even required to find a bounce-spell once you get Infernal going aside the fact that you can chain Infernal into Infernal into PIF and flashback both for chain of vapor and ToA

Just mist top 8 of A GPT. lost in round 4 to Shardless BUG getting me 9th,match up is just misrable. Hell id rather play against MUD,at least you can turn 1 them with out worrying about FOW lol.

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Originally Posted by MTG Junkie

Just mist top 8 of A GPT. lost in round 4 to Shardless BUG getting me 9th,match up is just misrable. Hell id rather play against MUD,at least you can turn 1 them with out worrying about FOW lol.

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Congrats on 9th either way. For what its worth i found bringing in empty and pithing needles was good against shardless.

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Originally Posted by MTG Junkie

Just mist top 8 of A GPT. lost in round 4 to Shardless BUG getting me 9th,match up is just misrable. Hell id rather play against MUD,at least you can turn 1 them with out worrying about FOW lol.

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I played against MUD today and did exactly what you said in game 2- turn 1 kill on the play lol. Lost game 1 to turn 1 chalice on 1, turn 2 chalice for 2. LOL gg. Won game 3 after some draw go.

Just wanted to share a frustrating experience with you guys. I played the Legacy Open in Indy yesterday and wanted to beat my head against the floor until I was dead.

Round 1 was against D&T. Game 1 I probe and don't see a Thalia to screw me up off a Vial, so I Ad Naus in his upkeep for 20 cards, going to 3 life. 0 Rituals, no bounce for the Revoker that will kill me in two swings. GG. Game 2 he boards in 8 cards, opens with Thalia, I nuke it with Dread of Night, and cantrip for two turns until he plays Canonist. I die slowly over the next seven turns because I can't find an answer. Total number of cards he sideboarded: 8.

Round 2 was against Junk. I get a clean kill in game 1, then games 2 and 3 were Thoughtseize, Hymn, double Surgical. Awesome. Total number of cards he sideboarded: 8.

Round 3 was Affinity. I Therapy away two Platings, then die to a 3/3 Ravager when I whiff (again) off a deeeep Ad Naus. Game 2 he opened with Canonist on turn 1, I Wish/Pyroclasm, he plays another, I hard-cast Massacre, then he plays two more. Cool. Game 3 he goes turn 1 Chalice on 1 and I'm like "whatever, no clock here", then double Canonist to shut down my cantrips and Duress-effects, then sealed the deal with Chalice on 2. Total number of cards he sideboarded: 14.

Total number of Storm-specific cards my opponents brought in against me in 3 rounds: 30. Total number of post-board game-wins I got: 0. Percentage of times I whiffed off an Ad Naus: 100%.

My frustration level: infinite.

Hello gregtron!
That's why I sold the deck.

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Originally Posted by gregtron

Just wanted to share a frustrating experience with you guys. I played the Legacy Open in Indy yesterday and wanted to beat my head against the floor until I was dead.

Round 1 was against D&T. Game 1 I probe and don't see a Thalia to screw me up off a Vial, so I Ad Naus in his upkeep for 20 cards, going to 3 life. 0 Rituals, no bounce for the Revoker that will kill me in two swings. GG. Game 2 he boards in 8 cards, opens with Thalia, I nuke it with Dread of Night, and cantrip for two turns until he plays Canonist. I die slowly over the next seven turns because I can't find an answer. Total number of cards he sideboarded: 8.

Round 2 was against Junk. I get a clean kill in game 1, then games 2 and 3 were Thoughtseize, Hymn, double Surgical. Awesome. Total number of cards he sideboarded: 8.

Round 3 was Affinity. I Therapy away two Platings, then die to a 3/3 Ravager when I whiff (again) off a deeeep Ad Naus. Game 2 he opened with Canonist on turn 1, I Wish/Pyroclasm, he plays another, I hard-cast Massacre, then he plays two more. Cool. Game 3 he goes turn 1 Chalice on 1 and I'm like "whatever, no clock here", then double Canonist to shut down my cantrips and Duress-effects, then sealed the deal with Chalice on 2. Total number of cards he sideboarded: 14.

Total number of Storm-specific cards my opponents brought in against me in 3 rounds: 30. Total number of post-board game-wins I got: 0. Percentage of times I whiffed off an Ad Naus: 100%.

My frustration level: infinite.

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Uhmm ... there's a reason people cutted AN in this deck ... Lol. Move it to the SB and board it in against combo or such. This is not an Ad Nauseam Deck anymore

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Originally Posted by gregtron

Just wanted to share a frustrating experience with you guys. I played the Legacy Open in Indy yesterday and wanted to beat my head against the floor until I was dead.

Round 1 was against D&T. Game 1 I probe and don't see a Thalia to screw me up off a Vial, so I Ad Naus in his upkeep for 20 cards, going to 3 life. 0 Rituals, no bounce for the Revoker that will kill me in two swings. GG. Game 2 he boards in 8 cards, opens with Thalia, I nuke it with Dread of Night, and cantrip for two turns until he plays Canonist. I die slowly over the next seven turns because I can't find an answer. Total number of cards he sideboarded: 8.

Round 2 was against Junk. I get a clean kill in game 1, then games 2 and 3 were Thoughtseize, Hymn, double Surgical. Awesome. Total number of cards he sideboarded: 8.

Round 3 was Affinity. I Therapy away two Platings, then die to a 3/3 Ravager when I whiff (again) off a deeeep Ad Naus. Game 2 he opened with Canonist on turn 1, I Wish/Pyroclasm, he plays another, I hard-cast Massacre, then he plays two more. Cool. Game 3 he goes turn 1 Chalice on 1 and I'm like "whatever, no clock here", then double Canonist to shut down my cantrips and Duress-effects, then sealed the deal with Chalice on 2. Total number of cards he sideboarded: 14.

Total number of Storm-specific cards my opponents brought in against me in 3 rounds: 30. Total number of post-board game-wins I got: 0. Percentage of times I whiffed off an Ad Naus: 100%.

My frustration level: infinite.

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What was your decklist? How much mana did you have floating when you Ad Nauseum'ed? I recommend Virtue's Ruin.

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Originally Posted by th3 w1z4rd

What was your decklist? How much mana did you have floating when you Ad Nauseum'ed? I recommend Virtue's Ruin.

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One Ad Naus was in his upkeep, and I untapped with two lands in play and more lands in hand. Another Ad Naus was with BBB floating from an LED, and a Lotus Petal in play.

I run 1 Massacre, 1 Pyroclasm, and 3 Dread of Night, all of which I like more than Ruin. Either way, I don't think a minor sideboard change would have made any difference in any of the matches.

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Originally Posted by th3 w1z4rd

What was your decklist? How much mana did you have floating when you Ad Nauseum'ed? I recommend Virtue's Ruin.

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Oh yeah, decklist

1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Past in Flames
1 Burning Wish
4 Infernal Tutor
1 Ad Nauseum
1 Lim-Dul's Vault

3 Cabal Therapy
2 Duress
1 Thoughtseize

4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
2 Preordain
4 Gitaxian Probe

4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal

4 Polluted Delta
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Gemstone Mine
1 Island
1 Swamp
2 Underground Sea
1 Badlands
1 Tropical Island
1 Volcanic Island

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1 Empty the Warrens
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
1 Duress
1 Pyroclasm
3 Xantid Swarm
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Massacre
3 Dread of Night
1 Bayou

Changes for next time: Move Ad Naus from main to the toilet, probably replace it with Grim. -1 Bayou from sideboard, replace with another sweeper or the 4th Therapy.

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Originally Posted by gregtron

Just wanted to share a frustrating experience with you guys. I played the Legacy Open in Indy yesterday and wanted to beat my head against the floor until I was dead.

Round 1 was against D&T. Game 1 I probe and don't see a Thalia to screw me up off a Vial, so I Ad Naus in his upkeep for 20 cards, going to 3 life. 0 Rituals, no bounce for the Revoker that will kill me in two swings. GG. Game 2 he boards in 8 cards, opens with Thalia, I nuke it with Dread of Night, and cantrip for two turns until he plays Canonist. I die slowly over the next seven turns because I can't find an answer. Total number of cards he sideboarded: 8.

Round 2 was against Junk. I get a clean kill in game 1, then games 2 and 3 were Thoughtseize, Hymn, double Surgical. Awesome. Total number of cards he sideboarded: 8.

Round 3 was Affinity. I Therapy away two Platings, then die to a 3/3 Ravager when I whiff (again) off a deeeep Ad Naus. Game 2 he opened with Canonist on turn 1, I Wish/Pyroclasm, he plays another, I hard-cast Massacre, then he plays two more. Cool. Game 3 he goes turn 1 Chalice on 1 and I'm like "whatever, no clock here", then double Canonist to shut down my cantrips and Duress-effects, then sealed the deal with Chalice on 2. Total number of cards he sideboarded: 14.

Total number of Storm-specific cards my opponents brought in against me in 3 rounds: 30. Total number of post-board game-wins I got: 0. Percentage of times I whiffed off an Ad Naus: 100%.

My frustration level: infinite.

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Sorry to hear about your frustrating experience. We've all been there one time or another. I'll second what Lemnear said, though, about cutting the Ad Nauseam. I've followed patrunkenphat's example and have had a lot of success with an Ad Nauseam-free list. Going 6-0 in a 37 man tournament (standings) and winning a 17 man tournament with 4 rounds top-4 losing only one match along the way. I'm really loving the main deck Empty the Warrens and not running the AN means being able to more comfortably run Thoughtseize and Grim Tutor.

My experience with Ad Nauseam is that you fizzle with it a lot more often than people not playing storm think you do. The only thing I miss (and this is a theoretical miss so far as it has not yet come up) is the top decked, hail-mary type Ad Nauseam where you have a Dark Ritual in hand and three lands in play, staring down a Jund deck or the likes. But the truth is: natural Tendrils > tutor chain into tendrils > Past in Flames into tendrils > Ad Nauseam... it is our least safe, most inconsistent tool for winning. If I had to guess I'd say that I've fizzled (this is from 15+ life) with Ad Nauseam like between 25-30% of the time.

Also, the amount of times I've been able to turn one 10+ goblins or even just flat out winning far outweigh not having the possibility of the occasional turn 1 dark rit, dark rit --> Ad Nauseam.

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Originally Posted by nevilshute

Sorry to hear about your frustrating experience. We've all been there one time or another. I'll second what Lemnear said, though, about cutting the Ad Nauseam. I've followed patrunkenphat's example and have had a lot of success with an Ad Nauseam-free list. Going 6-0 in a 37 man tournament (standings) and winning a 17 man tournament with 4 rounds top-4 losing only one match along the way. I'm really loving the main deck Empty the Warrens and not running the AN means being able to more comfortably run Thoughtseize and Grim Tutor.

My experience with Ad Nauseam is that you fizzle with it a lot more often than people not playing storm think you do. The only thing I miss (and this is a theoretical miss so far as it has not yet come up) is the top decked, hail-mary type Ad Nauseam where you have a Dark Ritual in hand and three lands in play, staring down a Jund deck or the likes. But the truth is: natural Tendrils > tutor chain into tendrils > Past in Flames into tendrils > Ad Nauseam... it is our least safe, most inconsistent tool for winning. If I had to guess I'd say that I've fizzled (this is from 15+ life) with Ad Nauseam like between 25-30% of the time.

Also, the amount of times I've been able to turn one 10+ goblins or even just flat out winning far outweigh not having the possibility of the occasional turn 1 dark rit, dark rit --> Ad Nauseam.

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Yeah, I'm sold on cutting it. I wish I'd listened to you guys two weeks ago, because I've whiffed 3/5 of the last times I've cast it, resulting in a terrible, embarrassing death each time. I guess I need to suck it up and buy a Grim.

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Originally Posted by gregtron

Oh yeah, decklist

1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Past in Flames
1 Burning Wish
4 Infernal Tutor
1 Ad Nauseum
1 Lim-Dul's Vault

3 Cabal Therapy
2 Duress
1 Thoughtseize

4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
2 Preordain
4 Gitaxian Probe

4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal

4 Polluted Delta
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Gemstone Mine
1 Island
1 Swamp
2 Underground Sea
1 Badlands
1 Tropical Island
1 Volcanic Island

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1 Empty the Warrens
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
1 Duress
1 Pyroclasm
3 Xantid Swarm
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Massacre
3 Dread of Night
1 Bayou

Changes for next time: Move Ad Naus from main to the toilet, probably replace it with Grim. -1 Bayou from sideboard, replace with another sweeper or the 4th Therapy.

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Your particular list is built very poorly for ad nauseam- between ldv, thoughtseize, preordain, and burning wish, you're playing every card other than grim tutor that people play in this archetype that isn't good with ad nauseam. I think that ad nauseam is great and irreplaceable, and that by cutting it you're throwing away more games than you would by changing your deck to suit it better.

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Originally Posted by MTG Junkie

Just mist top 8 of A GPT. lost in round 4 to Shardless BUG getting me 9th,match up is just misrable. Hell id rather play against MUD,at least you can turn 1 them with out worrying about FOW lol.

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Isn't Shardless a very good matchup for ANT given usually only FoW for counters and discard can be worked around?

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Originally Posted by gregtron

Oh yeah, decklist

1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Past in Flames
1 Burning Wish
4 Infernal Tutor
1 Ad Nauseum
1 Lim-Dul's Vault

3 Cabal Therapy
2 Duress
1 Thoughtseize

4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
2 Preordain
4 Gitaxian Probe

4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal

4 Polluted Delta
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Gemstone Mine
1 Island
1 Swamp
2 Underground Sea
1 Badlands
1 Tropical Island
1 Volcanic Island

SB:
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
1 Duress
1 Pyroclasm
3 Xantid Swarm
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Massacre
3 Dread of Night
1 Bayou

Changes for next time: Move Ad Naus from main to the toilet, probably replace it with Grim. -1 Bayou from sideboard, replace with another sweeper or the 4th Therapy.

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Your decklist is simply poor for Ad Nauseum. I run a couple Chrome Mox to help find mana, I run 3 Burning Wish for more possible outs, and no Preordains because that card sucks. Although one time I lost hilariously against Twelvepost because I combo'd out and he Repeal'ed my Chrome Mox in response to Infernal Tutor with hellbent... lol.

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Originally Posted by davelin

Isn't Shardless a very good matchup for ANT given usually only FoW for counters and discard can be worked around?

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Thoughtseaize,Hymn,Deathrite and FOW?!!

Judging by your comment,Im guessing you have no actual exp against it or with Storm in general.


@BrettF thanks man. Iv tryed Needle,just wasnt doing it for me. Im playing Burning Wish with a Empty in the board :)

@Th1wiZard thats whats up ;)

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Originally Posted by MTG Junkie

Thoughtseaize,Hymn,Deathrite and FOW?!!

Judging by your comment,Im guessing you have no actual exp against it or with Storm in general.

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I'm not saying this for humblebrags or anything, but are you sure? It's a pretty good match-up for TES.

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Originally Posted by Bryant Cook

I'm not saying this for humblebrags or anything, but are you sure? It's a pretty good match-up for TES.

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It's a good matchup for ANT too as long as you understand how to cast Ad Nauseam (and also presuming you didn't cut it from your deck amidst all the baas you read in here).

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Originally Posted by Bryant Cook

I'm not saying this for humblebrags or anything, but are you sure? It's a pretty good match-up for TES.

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Its funny you say that. People are always asking me dont you just t1 me? Then i have to say no, unfortinantly. Im not playing TES.

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Originally Posted by emidln

It's a good matchup for ANT too as long as you understand how to cast Ad Nauseam (and also presuming you didn't cut it from your deck amidst all the baas you read in here).

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Agreed! Ad Nauseam is good against them, thats how i won game 2.


emidln Did you see my post about wanting a Doomsday line in ANT? What do you think?

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Originally Posted by Bryant Cook

I'm not saying this for humblebrags or anything, but are you sure? It's a pretty good match-up for TES.

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You're 100 percent correct that it's a great matchup for almost every combo deck. Why else would their cascade deck have to sideboard flusterstorm?

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Originally Posted by MTG Junkie

Thoughtseaize,Hymn,Deathrite and FOW?!!

Judging by your comment,Im guessing you have no actual exp against it or with Storm in general.

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Your judgment would be wrong.

A situation came up this weekend at Indy I was unsure about.

R6 against Shardless BUG. G3 he Thoughtseize/Hymns me down but I manage to empty for 10 goblins. His board is 3 land Deathrite 2 Jace in hand, 15 life. I'm at 13 life. He plays Jace, tapping Deathrite, brainstorms and plays land. I draw and can either kill Jace or go for his face. I decide to kill Jace, hitting him down to 8 to play around pulse/charm. His top 2 cards were probably dead so if he played his 2nd Jace, he couldn't cast Pulse. Next turn he drops 2x Goyf and a Deathrite and manages to stabilize. Would it be correct to go for his face instead of Jace? He told me after he boarded out his pulse and didn't bring in any charms.

Were there creatures in the GY? And you're saying you know there are 2 Jace in hand, but how many unknown cards are there?Also I assume he played a land on the following turn as well to leave up both Deathrites as blockers and the land was not a fetch? In that scenario (land drop each turn, neither of them fetches), you swing with 10 dudes, he blocks 4, goes to 2 since he was at 8 after you killed Jace, and you have 6 gobos to his 4 blockers. Does he then plays another creature or is there a creature in the GY for him to remove?

With the limited information, I would say that you 100% swing at him if there are any creatures in the GY, because it becomes too easy for him to stabilize. Otherwise it's up in the air, but generally you still want to just go for the kill since he is more likely to stabilize off creatures than find a 1-outer off a free Brainstorm (especially when he plays Agents which act as 2 dudes and has 1 mana 1/2's in his deck). It's not that difficult for him to play 3 dudes in a turn with 4 mana. Still it's tough to determine without actually being there.

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Originally Posted by Patrunkenphat7

Were there creatures in the GY? And you're saying you know there are 2 Jace in hand, but how many unknown cards are there?Also I assume he played a land on the following turn as well to leave up both Deathrites as blockers and the land was not a fetch? In that scenario (land drop each turn, neither of them fetches), you swing with 10 dudes, he blocks 4, goes to 2 since he was at 8 after you killed Jace, and you have 6 gobos to his 4 blockers. Does he then plays another creature or is there a creature in the GY for him to remove?

With the limited information, I would say that you 100% swing at him if there are any creatures in the GY, because it becomes too easy for him to stabilize. Otherwise it's up in the air, but generally you still want to just go for the kill since he is more likely to stabilize off creatures than find a 1-outer off a free Brainstorm (especially when he plays Agents which act as 2 dudes and has 1 mana 1/2's in his deck). It's not that difficult for him to play 3 dudes in a turn with 4 mana. Still it's tough to determine without actually being there.

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There were no creatures in the GY and he didn't use fetches. The turn I cast empty for 10 goblins, he had 2x jace in hand, 4 lands in play, tapped deathrite at 15 life. I hit him down to 8 life. He untaps plays 5th land and plays dudes. I remember I hit him down to 1 and died on the swing back. If I left goblin back, he could of cast jace, bounced the token, hit me with goyfs and use his remaining 2 lands to deathrite me. If I left 2 back and attacked with 8, there was no way I could of won. The crucial point was attacking Jace or him.

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Originally Posted by bondfan

There were no creatures in the GY and he didn't use fetches. The turn I cast empty for 10 goblins, he had 2x jace in hand, 4 lands in play, tapped deathrite at 15 life. I hit him down to 8 life. He untaps plays 5th land and plays dudes. I remember I hit him down to 1 and died on the swing back. If I left goblin back, he could of cast jace, bounced the token, hit me with goyfs and use his remaining 2 lands to deathrite me. If I left 2 back and attacked with 8, there was no way I could of won. The crucial point was attacking Jace or him.

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Ah gotcha, 2nd Jace in hand was nail in the coffin. Yeah generally I like just attacking face in a situation like that since they have the Deathrites and Agents to quickly churn out blockers to stabilize. But hindsight is 20/20.

To all experienced Tendrils players out there:

I am an experienced legacy player of 4 years now and I am currently thinking about running this deck. I have read just about every page on this thread and have seen how the deck has evolved the past few years.

However, does anyone have any good recommendations for articles to read that dive into the inner-workings of the deck in the current format? Things I am looking for are frequent lines of play, tips and tricks, playing around hate, and just overall getting there.

Thanks,

Bryan

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Originally Posted by bryanzoll

To all experienced Tendrils players out there:

I am an experienced legacy player of 4 years now and I am currently thinking about running this deck. I have read just about every page on this thread and have seen how the deck has evolved the past few years.

However, does anyone have any good recommendations for articles to read that dive into the inner-workings of the deck in the current format? Things I am looking for are frequent lines of play, tips and tricks, playing around hate, and just overall getting there.

Thanks,

Bryan

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I'd start out by reading all of Carsten Cotter's articles on storm on scg. Also, Timo Schünemann's article on his win at GP Ghent is nice reading.

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Originally Posted by bondfan

A situation came up this weekend at Indy I was unsure about.

R6 against Shardless BUG. G3 he Thoughtseize/Hymns me down but I manage to empty for 10 goblins. His board is 3 land Deathrite 2 Jace in hand, 15 life. I'm at 13 life. He plays Jace, tapping Deathrite, brainstorms and plays land. I draw and can either kill Jace or go for his face. I decide to kill Jace, hitting him down to 8 to play around pulse/charm. His top 2 cards were probably dead so if he played his 2nd Jace, he couldn't cast Pulse. Next turn he drops 2x Goyf and a Deathrite and manages to stabilize. Would it be correct to go for his face instead of Jace? He told me after he boarded out his pulse and didn't bring in any charms.

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Attack face, Jace has already dug three cards off the top so it's done the majority of its work already.

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Originally Posted by nevilshute

I'd start out by reading all of Carsten Cotter's articles on storm on scg. Also, Timo Schünemann's article on his win at GP Ghent is nice reading.

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Imo you can skip Timo's because it's not only ages old but the deck itself is pretty much outdated because he kicked the Wishes. Carstens articles about ANT & TES are pretty good even if there are some minor details missing ;)

I recommend reading those .

Shardless BUG is a very winnable matchup so long as you aren't a novice/not good at playing storm combo. Oh no they have discard. That's not particularly relevant when you have brainstorm or manage your cantrips correctly as discard isn't any good at disrupting an infernal, ad nauseam, or past in flames on top of your deck. I like it even more when they discard me when I have a bob in play, that's the funnest because you really don't care.

@Gregton: Bad beats happen. Sometimes your opponents rip the nuts and tear you to shreds. But I also hate your decklist. 1 LDV 1 Wish? How, pray tell, did you settle on that configuration for the 4 flex slots (the 4 preordain slots are the flex slots in this deck as some people despise them and some people love them for some reason.) Also, cracking LED in response to AdN with a petal in play? I wouldn't do that short of an abrupt decay/someone trying to blow up my LED in response to ad nauseam as you already have the IMS for dark ritual post AdN but you're making it so you need to find another LED to get hellbent for the infernal tutor you flip that will very likely be your path to ToA unless you're one of those lucky people who get to treat ad nauseam as infernal contract/draw dark rit, petal, LED, infernal.

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Originally Posted by Dark Ritual

@Gregton: Bad beats happen. Sometimes your opponents rip the nuts and tear you to shreds. But I also hate your decklist. 1 LDV 1 Wish? How, pray tell, did you settle on that configuration for the 4 flex slots (the 4 preordain slots are the flex slots in this deck as some people despise them and some people love them for some reason.) Also, cracking LED in response to AdN with a petal in play? I wouldn't do that short of an abrupt decay/someone trying to blow up my LED in response to ad nauseam as you already have the IMS for dark ritual post AdN but you're making it so you need to find another LED to get hellbent for the infernal tutor you flip that will very likely be your path to ToA unless you're one of those lucky people who get to treat ad nauseam as infernal contract/draw dark rit, petal, LED, infernal.

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I know, I just wanted to complain to some people who've been there, especially losing to Affinity in at the 0-2 table when he boarded in 14 cards. That definitely feels absurd enough to go on the source and cry to you bastards, especially since I maxed out all my friends' bad beat story quotas.

I love how touchy literally every storm player is about the flex slots. No sarcasm, either, I mean we're all guilty of looking at a manabase that's one card different and accusing the other person of being literally Hitler. But is it really worth restarting the I-hate-Ad-Naus-I-Love-Vault conversation from ten pages back? The deck gives me the lines I want in specific situations, everyone is retarded, we're all quitting storm forever, etc.

I don't remember the specifics, but I assume it was a combination of being under pressure and floating an LED from Ponder/Brainstorm. I remember it felt like (at the time) the higher percentage chance of winning. I'm definitely not one of those lucky-ad-naus guys, or really any card that lets me dig deep for certain things. The Saturday before, I was whiffing on Garruk +1's in Standard, too, so I should probably either do an animal sacrifice to Maro or take a break from combo decks for a while.

Animal sacrifice. Do it.

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Originally Posted by gregtron

...everyone is retarded, we're all quitting storm forever, etc.

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:confused: But I really sold the deck...

Ok, so if the Affinity guy boarded 14 cards, there's no surprise you've lost. Also, note that no other deck than Affi may use it. I wouldn't mind that, unless you plan to meet him over and over again. Note that the others had a bit more reasonable sb, not a storm-killer.
Also, I need to see Slosh asap, I'm pretty interested how his 2 maindecked Bolts work. The meta is so full of annoying small creatures, be it DRS, Thalia, Teeg, Confidant; you may even buy a turn at the very least by killing Delver. I know that the idea of plaing Bolts in storm is silly, but I won't be the one to dismiss it before I'll listen to his experiences.
It really depends on meta, e.g. our lgs is full of DRS and D&T.

edit:
I had some real success with builds using Dark Confidant. I know all the troubles with this creature and I also know that today's meta is faster and I also know that opponents don't take out all removal, but still, lets BS about Bob a bit.
First of all, he's your upkeep "cantrip" that doesn't eat mana or (in case of opposing Cannonist) a spell count. He succesfully blocks all non-Thalia bears or attacks in return if the opponent decides that he'll swing while using your DC-induced lifeloss as another kinda attacker/Vortex. Part of what makes Confi good (even against creature heavy decks like Mav) is that you may play him turn1 without much trouble and got your few draws out of him before the opponent puts anything harmful into his way or forces you to chump. (You may ignore most of the turn1-3 creature plays and/or attacks, unless we're talking about Ornithoptere with Plating or some absurd Goyf or anything similar.) What I'm trying to say is that even if DC's triggers and opposing creatures threaten you with a big damage, it won't happend before turn3 maybe even turn4 and esp. against non-Plating non-Warchief decks you may quite easily count the expected combat dmg dealt and thus "dose" it and echange it for card advantage until the time comes to sac DC into CT or force him into red zone on a suicidal mission for king and fatherland. What I also found extremely helpful about him (this is mainly true for the 3-basics build) is that he brings you land drops you'd otherwise be depraved of due to your inability to properly cantrip under Thalia/Cannonist,thus helping you to reach the needed mana for Clasm/Ruin, with the latter been my weapon of choice for quite some time, as it (a) doesn't kill neither Confi nor Goblins and (b) takes care of all the pesky non-Ooze hatebears even if they got Mom/KotR/SOFI... actually: any SO1&2.

I'd try something like the following sb (note that it's meant to be played with a few BWs):
1 ToA
1 EtW
1 Virtue's Ruin
1 Echoing Truth (for double Cannonist/Leyline situations and to dodge CotV@1)
1 Chain of Vapor
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Disfigure (DRS*, Thalia, Cannonist, Ooze, Teeg, etc.)
4 Xantid Swarm (because blue is the color of our format)
4 Dark Confidant (you really wnat him turn1-2. A pro tip: don't rush him into Dryad Arbor.)

*) Although ppl may argue that DRS is easy to play around, you may just blow him on spot and cause a serious headache to the opponent that heavily depends on the little elf.

edit2: Also, in case you need an answer for Affi, then Rebuild exists... It odoges CotV and they don't play Waste, so the increased manacost compared to Hurkyl's Recall doesn't hurt. But yeah, it's genrally an awful sb choice.



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I'm kinda excited about Toxic Deluge. I know it kills my goblins but if I have to cast it AFTER I make a bunch of goblins I'm probably losing anyway.

6-1'd The legacy trial at bom.

Matchups:
Death & Taxes 2-0
Jund 2-1 (lost to triple thorn g2)
UW Miracles 1-2 (he had it all g3)
RUG Delver 2-0
Patriot 2-0
Merfolk 2-0
Esper Blade 2-0

Might write something later, Main Event tommorow.

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Originally Posted by JamieW89

6-1'd The legacy trial at bom.

Matchups:
Death & Taxes 2-0
Jund 2-1 (lost to triple thorn g2)
UW Miracles 1-2 (he had it all g3)
RUG Delver 2-0
Patriot 2-0
Merfolk 2-0
Esper Blade 2-0

Might write something later, Main Event tommorow.

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Congrats! Would be nice to see your list also :)