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They're better on defense, I would agree for sure. One of those games against RB Goblins I had to throw Lynx under the bus to a Lackey (embarassing), which was unfortunate. I will at least be making the same changes for my metagame.Quote:
Originally Posted by BantFTW
So your argument against Lynx is that you don't like it. And your argument for Stoneforge is that you like it. A lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by BantFTW
Got it. Moving on...
No, In my meta.
There aren't many fast decks.
Some merfolk, gobbs & zoo.
But those matchups are winable without it.
But against decks you don't know/bant,...
those equipments are reallty good and can win you the game^^
That's my opinnion, okej, they are a littlebit slow that's true but yeah.
id agree that maybe lynx is worse in the merfolk/gobos matchup, but were very heavy favorites in those anyway, my main argument for lynx is that in our toss up matches hes rediculous and even lets us squeek out wins vs storm because our one drop went in for 8 (instead of 4 from a loam lion)
also, if youre playing defense against goblins, youve probably already lost.
You still want to block Lackey.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldOD
@Morbid's meta: how would some Pyroclasms do? You'd have to consider switching out Lynxes for Apes so more of your army survives, but clasm seems like the sweeper you need. I wouldn't run Flamebreak et. al. because 3 damage will kill your team too, though depending on Goblins' tricks Volcanic Fallout's instant speed may make it superior. Hopefully your Pridemages are taking care of Vials and your Teeg is already sided out, so it further minimizes your exposure. I'd try them in the StP slots. Zoo already has plenty of point removal and direct damage, so add a sweeper instead of more 1-to-1 solutions. Just a thought. =)
@kirbysdl/Morbid: Try Fallout. It is extra uncounterable burn, sure it's 3cc but that's not a deal breaker, as by the time you have three mana you have a board to blow up. It shines in Folk as well. I've been happy wtih it, as even verses random stuff like Elves it is sweet to bring in.
@bantftw:
Here's my list off the top of my head. Build for my own metagame. YOu mentioned previously that there aren't a lot of fast decks iny our meta, so why the hell aren't you running lynx to take advantage of the slow scene??
4 Nacatl
4 Lynx
3 Lavamancer
4 Pridemage
4 Goyf
3 KotR
2 Mr. Teeg
4 Bolt
3 PoP
4 PtE
2 Chain Lightning
2 Fireblast
1 Library
11 fetchlands
3 Plateau
2 Taiga
1 Savannah
1 forest
1 Mountain
1 Plains
SB:
3 REB
3 Volcanic Fallout
3 Choke
3 Mindbreak Trap
3 Grip
Vs Goblins:
-3 Pop +3 Fallout on the play and draw. Lynx stays in because even on the draw being able to get in for 4+ on turn 2 is about the only way to get ahead. I'd mull into a burn hand or Nacatl/lynx hand
Vs Folk:
-3 Pop -2 Teeg -1 Library +3 REB +3 Choke
I'd do this on the play/draw regardless. Both are hoser cards in this matchup, and if they keep FoW in I'd side in two teegs for two lynx
vs Bant:
-4 Lynx -2 FB +3 Choke +3 Assuming they drop their FoWs, they'll still have EE's so Teeg stays in. Same with the Library, it really helps the tempo loss from Stifle/Daze/FoW
Vs Storm:
Pray, -3 KotR +3 Traps. I generally mull into Trap or keep a Teeg hand.
Vs Junk:
-2 Teeg -1 Library +3 Grip Maindeck is fast enough to get them w/in burn range, and the SFM package just slows them down.
Vs Elves!
-3 PoP -3 KotR +3 MTB +3 Fallout Teeg can keep them off NO or a lethal Banefire, and I generally mull into a MTB because they can't do much but play into it. Fallout is also pretty sweet
Vs Mirror:
Shuffle SB into library like with all other matchups but take the exact 15 back out. I've never played the mirror before and feel Lynx and playing around PoP is the key in the matchup.
Gonna battle with this at the PT next weekend, the sideboard might have to change as I'll scout it out before the event
I'm going to PT Amsterdam (side-event Legacy I think your talking bout?) to.
Is it the sunday or saturday?
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PS: what's your name? Maybe better to go to Benelegacy xD?
Its saturday at 3, Ill probably be there too. Check it all out @: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Eve...erdam10-publicQuote:
Originally Posted by BantFTW
edit: theres one on friday as well.
Ontopic: @ooldod: you need to play aggro/control vs Goblins, attacking all out is very dangerous.
Okej, than 2 days, will test the first day your list.
Don't you think horizon canopy is quite good with kotr?
And isn't stoneforge mystic awesome lol?
you can just win games on him :O?
And don't you like elspeth, I like it ALOT lol.
I am very a traditional person so I don't like stuff like Stoneforge package and Elspeth. The only 'innovating' thing you could maybe expect from me would be running wastelands and the Enlightened Tutor SB. I also decided not to play canopy ever anymore in zoo. It has given me more headaches than benefits.
But I'm not sure if I'm going to play Zoo. I might go for UWT or Goblins.
Ah oké, yeah elspeth is a pain in the ass for many decks lol^^, and stoneforge makes it lot more, winnable so^^
Mahybe sideboard^^
Against what deck do you think you need Stoneforge and Jittes? We are better than the other aggro decks that are out there, against control and combo its way too slow. I really don't see what I need them for, I think its a waste of space, main or sideboard.
Against what matchups is Elspeth relevant? It might have its purposes vs certain hard match ups like Staxx maybe? I havent tested her but it seems slow against control and combo too.
yeah, that's true against combo it's way to slow (you almost never win that matchup so^^)
But against random.decks and control if you can cast it it probably let's you win the game.
But the problem is 4 mana, if you only play 20 and you sac some for fireblast and wastelands^^
sometimes that's hard so your probably right.
going to drop them and the stoneforges to, finally I see it lol.
EDIT: Idk what I'm going to play, this or aggro-bant^^
And euhm, why play volcanic fallout?
You can't lose against gobblins and merfolks or they go like epic :O?
Woudn't 3 spots for decks that play with their graveyard like survival, dredge,.. be good?
I think those matchups are quite hard?
I will try to test it as a 3-of in the SB. Yeah, I read in the thread earlier (just did a search on "Goblins") and I saw that people were recommending either Pyroclasm or Volcanic Fallout. I think I might go -1 Karakas (I haven't seen Reanimator in a while), -2 Swords to Plowshares, +3 Pyroclasm to get:Quote:
Originally Posted by kirbysdl
// SIDEBOARD
2 Gaddock Teeg
3 Tormod's Crypt
3 Pyroclasm
2 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Krosan Grip
2 Pyroblast
Were my boarding strategies correct? That's one of the things I was more concerned about.
@ jandax: Is Fallout superior to Pyroclasm against Goblins? They have Wastelands and explosive starts (then again, Zoo has some pretty explosive starts too), so the faster the answer, the better, right? Especially because you need 1R instead of 1RR for Pyroclasm. The first Goblins match was purely my fault, as my fate was already sealed when I kept some greedy hands. "If I draw another Land, I..." famous last words.
Thanks for the help guys. I'm touring more Legacy archetypes, so I may not play Zoo next week, but will keep these changes in mind.
Well, I tested against Goblins today and it can take out a lot of things when a Lord isn't on the table. The 1RR is sometimes tough to pay. I like it over grip because it's more of a proactive card. I dunno, I'm sure my SB will change whenst I scout before the event.
Honestly, I think Umezawa's Jitte is a much, much better answer to goblins than pyroclasm. It's more mana intensive, but has no collateral damage. That coupled with all of the spot removal is a very strong combination against them. In addition, Jitte is huge in the mirror and further trouncing on merfolk, which is the second reason why I would want it over pyroclasm.
jitte is actually pretty not amazing in the mirror, most zoo builds are playing alot of removal, and you just sink all of your tempo into trying to get jitte online and just get your dude removed, not to mention pridemage. that being said if it gets online its trouble of course, but if im playing the mirror and youre bringing in jitte i really dont mind at all.